Doctors accelerate death all the time with opioid overdose. All we are debating are the preconditions, time frame and acceleration method.
Some consideration needed to train drivers and emergency service workers that clean up the aftermaths of most suicides. My niece works for the fire service on the Thames and 90% of it is recovering bodies.
comment by Kyo-Joe Furusmashi (U15888)
posted 7 minutes ago
I had to unfortunately put my dog to sleep on Tuesday.
He got much diagnosed with cancer on Saturday but hadnt been himself since Christmas. We took the decision on Sunday and we had to get someone out as we didnt want it to happen at the vets. On the day he was very sick and just wasnt enjoying life anymore.
He was barely moving anyway and he got his first sedative. He drifted into a deep sleep and was finally out of pain that was only going to get much worse.
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Sorry to read that. Losing a pet is terrible. You did do the right thing though. I've had to do it a few times and it's the hardest thing ever but it's also the kindest.
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 51 seconds ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Was his Sunday name Loppy Lugs?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 51 seconds ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Was his Sunday name Loppy Lugs?
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He didn't make it to Sunday unfortunately.
There's an offshoot debate which could be had about surgery mortality. In this country they are paranoid about mortality rates and anything that is not >99% on the table and >70% in recovery if largely off limits - even if you want to go private and even if you accept the risks. In the US I understand they are a bit more <cough> financially focussed?
Anyways we know the NHS is stretched but you will not get the option of late life surgery, especially anything in the high risk abdomen, to preserve the high success rates.
As you get older heart strength, obesity become bigger issues but the big killer is post-operative sepsis. That said, it would be nice to have the choice of death within the year with no operation or a 30% chance of 5 years and would be nice for the former to be offered a dignified, controlled exit.
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Such a sad waste
Would have made a lovely pie
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Such a sad waste
Would have made a lovely pie
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Stop taking the piiss out of him. I already did that.
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Such a sad waste
Would have made a lovely pie
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Stop taking the piiss out of him. I already did that.
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Did your mother say “Do that again and urine trouble”?
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
End of life care it's called here.
Slippery slope. There was a case in Ontario a few years ago. A guy was in hospital and was set to be released, but he was bedridden and needed 24 hour care. The end if life people were at his bedside trying to talk him into taking the needle. A money saving effort. Also I'm dealing with my own mother these days who has dementia and is in a care home. She has always told me she'd rather be dead than in one of those places or losing her mind. Now she's inelligable and none if her family can request it for her. Its a choice we should all have. Just how do we legislate to dissuade inheritors from cashing in.
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This is one concern. There will be people making a living and getting paid to euthanise people and they will be coming up with all sorts of schemes to enrich themselves.
OP do you mean the right to suicide or the right to euthanasia? I support both but just wanted to know 'cause you're our resident wise old timer.
comment by LustyMonc (U22632)
posted 5 minutes ago
OP do you mean the right to suicide or the right to euthanasia? I support both but just wanted to know 'cause you're our resident wise old timer.
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Right to euthanasia. We have always had the' right' to suicide, but I think you mean with necessary chemicals provided.
I put the word right in inverted commas because at one time it was illegal I think.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by LustyMonc (U22632)
posted 5 minutes ago
OP do you mean the right to suicide or the right to euthanasia? I support both but just wanted to know 'cause you're our resident wise old timer.
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Right to euthanasia. We have always had the' right' to suicide, but I think you mean with necessary chemicals provided.
I put the word right in inverted commas because at one time it was illegal I think.
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So yes I support both
“…the rather more endearing habit of jumping on the bed and patting my face until I woke up and demanding his breakfast.
One morning he patted my face and told me he had had enough, he got off the bed and lay down in his favourite place in fron of the radiator.
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You should have gotten up and fed him then, you lazy bustard.
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comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 24 minutes ago
“…the rather more endearing habit of jumping on the bed and patting my face until I woke up and demanding his breakfast.
One morning he patted my face and told me he had had enough, he got off the bed and lay down in his favourite place in fron of the radiator.
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You should have gotten up and fed him then, you lazy bustard.
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FFS
A few years ago both my parents went into two separate old folks homes. My mom had dementia and my dad who had broken his back in a fall could only get around in a wheelchair and had the beginnings of dementia. I went to each of their residences every day for three and four years after work.
At the end they barley knew me and knowing my folks they wouldn't have wanted to end their life like that.
When they died it was more a relief than sadness. To this day I can't help but remember their last days more than the great times we had.
On the other hand my old cat of 22 years was put down with no suffering and I only have good memories of her life.
So I would be all for euthanasia.
It's something that makes a lot of sense and bar possibly religious nut jobs a very high percentage of people would be in favour of it under certain circumstances.
However implementation is the issue, so while the principal is very sound the rules and regulations behind it need to be water tight and that's the real stumbling block
Interesting debate, here’s 5 stars
Cheers Robb, I was dying for those
đ please stay alive for at least another decade đ
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đ please stay alive for at least another decade đ
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Yes please.
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comment by Robbb (U22716)
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đ please stay alive for at least another decade đ
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Yes please.
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posted on 17/1/22
Doctors accelerate death all the time with opioid overdose. All we are debating are the preconditions, time frame and acceleration method.
Some consideration needed to train drivers and emergency service workers that clean up the aftermaths of most suicides. My niece works for the fire service on the Thames and 90% of it is recovering bodies.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Kyo-Joe Furusmashi (U15888)
posted 7 minutes ago
I had to unfortunately put my dog to sleep on Tuesday.
He got much diagnosed with cancer on Saturday but hadnt been himself since Christmas. We took the decision on Sunday and we had to get someone out as we didnt want it to happen at the vets. On the day he was very sick and just wasnt enjoying life anymore.
He was barely moving anyway and he got his first sedative. He drifted into a deep sleep and was finally out of pain that was only going to get much worse.
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Sorry to read that. Losing a pet is terrible. You did do the right thing though. I've had to do it a few times and it's the hardest thing ever but it's also the kindest.
posted on 17/1/22
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 51 seconds ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Was his Sunday name Loppy Lugs?
posted on 17/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 51 seconds ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Was his Sunday name Loppy Lugs?
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He didn't make it to Sunday unfortunately.
posted on 17/1/22
There's an offshoot debate which could be had about surgery mortality. In this country they are paranoid about mortality rates and anything that is not >99% on the table and >70% in recovery if largely off limits - even if you want to go private and even if you accept the risks. In the US I understand they are a bit more <cough> financially focussed?
Anyways we know the NHS is stretched but you will not get the option of late life surgery, especially anything in the high risk abdomen, to preserve the high success rates.
As you get older heart strength, obesity become bigger issues but the big killer is post-operative sepsis. That said, it would be nice to have the choice of death within the year with no operation or a 30% chance of 5 years and would be nice for the former to be offered a dignified, controlled exit.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Such a sad waste
Would have made a lovely pie
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Such a sad waste
Would have made a lovely pie
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Stop taking the piiss out of him. I already did that.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
I remember when I was a wee boy and came back from Saturday morning football and my mum was crying as my rabbit had just died. I was very upset as he was the best rabbit ever. More like a dog. So I went to see him lying in the shoe box and gave him one last stroke. When I stroked him, the pressure I applied made pee come out. I felt bad, but I started laughing. Then started pressing his stomach and more and more pee came out. It was a wee moment between me and Loppy. Finding humour among the sadness. I had lots of pets when growing up, which helped me learn a lot about life and death and pee coming out when pressure is applied.
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Such a sad waste
Would have made a lovely pie
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Stop taking the piiss out of him. I already did that.
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Did your mother say “Do that again and urine trouble”?
posted on 17/1/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
End of life care it's called here.
Slippery slope. There was a case in Ontario a few years ago. A guy was in hospital and was set to be released, but he was bedridden and needed 24 hour care. The end if life people were at his bedside trying to talk him into taking the needle. A money saving effort. Also I'm dealing with my own mother these days who has dementia and is in a care home. She has always told me she'd rather be dead than in one of those places or losing her mind. Now she's inelligable and none if her family can request it for her. Its a choice we should all have. Just how do we legislate to dissuade inheritors from cashing in.
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This is one concern. There will be people making a living and getting paid to euthanise people and they will be coming up with all sorts of schemes to enrich themselves.
posted on 17/1/22
OP do you mean the right to suicide or the right to euthanasia? I support both but just wanted to know 'cause you're our resident wise old timer.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by LustyMonc (U22632)
posted 5 minutes ago
OP do you mean the right to suicide or the right to euthanasia? I support both but just wanted to know 'cause you're our resident wise old timer.
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Right to euthanasia. We have always had the' right' to suicide, but I think you mean with necessary chemicals provided.
I put the word right in inverted commas because at one time it was illegal I think.
posted on 17/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by LustyMonc (U22632)
posted 5 minutes ago
OP do you mean the right to suicide or the right to euthanasia? I support both but just wanted to know 'cause you're our resident wise old timer.
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Right to euthanasia. We have always had the' right' to suicide, but I think you mean with necessary chemicals provided.
I put the word right in inverted commas because at one time it was illegal I think.
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So yes I support both
posted on 17/1/22
“…the rather more endearing habit of jumping on the bed and patting my face until I woke up and demanding his breakfast.
One morning he patted my face and told me he had had enough, he got off the bed and lay down in his favourite place in fron of the radiator.
———
You should have gotten up and fed him then, you lazy bustard.
posted on 17/1/22
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posted on 17/1/22
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 24 minutes ago
“…the rather more endearing habit of jumping on the bed and patting my face until I woke up and demanding his breakfast.
One morning he patted my face and told me he had had enough, he got off the bed and lay down in his favourite place in fron of the radiator.
———
You should have gotten up and fed him then, you lazy bustard.
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FFS
posted on 17/1/22
A few years ago both my parents went into two separate old folks homes. My mom had dementia and my dad who had broken his back in a fall could only get around in a wheelchair and had the beginnings of dementia. I went to each of their residences every day for three and four years after work.
At the end they barley knew me and knowing my folks they wouldn't have wanted to end their life like that.
When they died it was more a relief than sadness. To this day I can't help but remember their last days more than the great times we had.
On the other hand my old cat of 22 years was put down with no suffering and I only have good memories of her life.
So I would be all for euthanasia.
posted on 17/1/22
It's something that makes a lot of sense and bar possibly religious nut jobs a very high percentage of people would be in favour of it under certain circumstances.
However implementation is the issue, so while the principal is very sound the rules and regulations behind it need to be water tight and that's the real stumbling block
posted on 18/1/22
Interesting debate, here’s 5 stars
posted on 18/1/22
Cheers Robb, I was dying for those
posted on 18/1/22
đ please stay alive for at least another decade đ
posted on 18/1/22
comment by Robbb (U22716)
posted 19 minutes ago
đ please stay alive for at least another decade đ
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Yes please.
posted on 18/1/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbb (U22716)
posted 19 minutes ago
đ please stay alive for at least another decade đ
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Yes please.
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I'm giving it my best shot..... Of Laphroaig.
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