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posted on 17/1/22

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton? I’ve never understood this kind of comment. No one who is good in their job - whatever that job is - moves down when they’ve proven themselves more than capable at working at the higher level.

It’s a just stupid comment that is seemingly intent on downplaying what someone has achieved at the top level.
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Again, I agree, but I also doubt they could pay a manager £20m a year.
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Especially not now. I bet it cost them a fair bit to get Ancelotti though.
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They've been a bit unlucky to lose him really.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton?
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If they got bought out by a billionaire willing to spend his billions on them then within a few years of making some good decisions they would become worthy of a manager like Pep.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton? I’ve never understood this kind of comment. No one who is good in their job - whatever that job is - moves down when they’ve proven themselves more than capable at working at the higher level.

It’s a just stupid comment that is seemingly intent on downplaying what someone has achieved at the top level.
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Again, I agree, but I also doubt they could pay a manager £20m a year.
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Well they could, if they stopped paying mediocre players similar (and often more) amounts…

posted on 17/1/22

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton? I’ve never understood this kind of comment. No one who is good in their job - whatever that job is - moves down when they’ve proven themselves more than capable at working at the higher level.

It’s a just stupid comment that is seemingly intent on downplaying what someone has achieved at the top level.
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Again, I agree, but I also doubt they could pay a manager £20m a year.
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Well they could, if they stopped paying mediocre players similar (and often more) amounts…
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I'm not sure what figures you've seen but I'd be very surprised of they have ever paid anyone over £350,000 a week.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Assassin Baby (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton?
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If they got bought out by a billionaire willing to spend his billions on them then within a few years of making some good decisions they would become worthy of a manager like Pep.
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True, but negates no point that is actually being made in this thread.

That said, Everton do have a billionaire, who is spending hundreds of millions…

…to get them nowhere..

As things stand…

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton? I’ve never understood this kind of comment. No one who is good in their job - whatever that job is - moves down when they’ve proven themselves more than capable at working at the higher level.

It’s a just stupid comment that is seemingly intent on downplaying what someone has achieved at the top level.
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Again, I agree, but I also doubt they could pay a manager £20m a year.
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Well they could, if they stopped paying mediocre players similar (and often more) amounts…
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I'm not sure what figures you've seen but I'd be very surprised of they have ever paid anyone over £350,000 a week.
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It all adds up.

Two or three or four players easily add up to that amount.

That’s the difference ultimately. Waste millions on several individuals, as opposed to spending millions on individuals who can get it right - from the top down, as opposed to from the bottom up.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton?
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If they got bought out by a billionaire willing to spend his billions on them then within a few years of making some good decisions they would become worthy of a manager like Pep.
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True, but negates no point that is actually being made in this thread.

That said, Everton do have a billionaire, who is spending hundreds of millions…

…to get them nowhere..

As things stand…
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Is he spending his own money?

Everton have signed quantity not quality because they are still bogged down by FFP, their wage bill etc.

Release them from that burden and they would do what Newcastle are about to do.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 5 minutes ago
Another question - why would pep go to a club like Everton? I’ve never understood this kind of comment. No one who is good in their job - whatever that job is - moves down when they’ve proven themselves more than capable at working at the higher level.

It’s a just stupid comment that is seemingly intent on downplaying what someone has achieved at the top level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Again, I agree, but I also doubt they could pay a manager £20m a year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well they could, if they stopped paying mediocre players similar (and often more) amounts…
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not sure what figures you've seen but I'd be very surprised of they have ever paid anyone over £350,000 a week.
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It all adds up.

Two or three or four players easily add up to that amount.

That’s the difference ultimately. Waste millions on several individuals, as opposed to spending millions on individuals who can get it right - from the top down, as opposed to from the bottom up.
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Oh come on, if we go down that route Brighton can afford him. Regardless, City's wage bill dwarfs Evertons and wage spent has a far better correlation to success than transfer spend.

I do agree with the premise, LFC are a very good example of it but money doesn't just help, it's essential.

comment by Szoboss (U6997)

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 11 minutes ago
The difference between Man City spending and Everton spending is that City can afford not to gamble. They are buying from the guaranteed proven grade A pool of peak players and can lay down the salaries necessary. Those players are not going to go to Everton at the moment.

It's easier for City to make more good buys than bad.
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Tbh, that's one of the more impressive things about City's ownership imo. To go from signing Robinho, Jo, Bellamy, Bridge etc to the likes of Yaya Toure and David Silva in two seasons is impressive.

Their recruitment has been really smart. Toure, Silva, Tevez - all great signings. Got Kompany really early and then added Aguero. That's the bedrock of their rise and all accumulated within 3 years (I think - would need to check).

That's what sets them apart from the Everton's of the world who have spent big on the likes of Richarlison, Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Kean. Just not comparable.

posted on 17/1/22

I do agree with the premise, LFC are a very good example of it but money doesn't just help, it's essential.
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IMO, money is everything.

City are not the only club that makes good decisions yet no other team can get close to them by just making good decisions. Liverpool for example are well managed but will still need to invest a lot of money in the playing squad to compete with City. Liverpool won the league after spending on the likes of Allison and VVD.

If you have resources to replace expensive flops with new expensive players then eventually you get it right. If you have enough money then its only a matter of time before you balance the equation.

posted on 17/1/22

City could attract those players because of the wages they offered. Everton couldn’t do that.

posted on 17/1/22

Kompany predated Mansour buying the club (only by a week, but still!)

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Assassin Baby (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
I do agree with the premise, LFC are a very good example of it but money doesn't just help, it's essential.
====
IMO, money is everything.

City are not the only club that makes good decisions yet no other team can get close to them by just making good decisions. Liverpool for example are well managed but will still need to invest a lot of money in the playing squad to compete with City. Liverpool won the league after spending on the likes of Allison and VVD.

If you have resources to replace expensive flops with new expensive players then eventually you get it right. If you have enough money then its only a matter of time before you balance the equation.
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Chelsea and United could as they have the money too.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
City could attract those players because of the wages they offered. Everton couldn’t do that.
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And Everton play in a wooden stadium.

City are a palace compared to them.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Assassin Baby (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
I do agree with the premise, LFC are a very good example of it but money doesn't just help, it's essential.
====
IMO, money is everything.

City are not the only club that makes good decisions yet no other team can get close to them by just making good decisions. Liverpool for example are well managed but will still need to invest a lot of money in the playing squad to compete with City. Liverpool won the league after spending on the likes of Allison and VVD.

If you have resources to replace expensive flops with new expensive players then eventually you get it right. If you have enough money then its only a matter of time before you balance the equation.
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Chelsea and United could as they have the money too.

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United are victims of their own success and poor decision making but Chelsea are a great example. They spend until they get it right. At any one time they always have a squad that could challenge for top honours if managed well and that's why you see short term managers succeeding there.

posted on 17/1/22

I was looking at Chelsea's league titles and for some reason thought they had won more leagues than they had under Roman. Was quite surprised at 5 really, 2 in the last 10 years.

posted on 17/1/22

In fact 2 in 12 years.

comment by Szoboss (U6997)

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
City could attract those players because of the wages they offered. Everton couldn’t do that.
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Sure, perhaps they couldn't get a Toure or Tevez but (from a quick google search) they've paid the likes of James £140k p/w, Bernard £120k p/w, Mina £120k p/w.

These are not smart signings.

City got themselves away from the Jo's and Bellamy's and into the A list early. Chelsea did too. The likes of Everton haven't. Worse, their B list signings have been pretty unimpressive.

posted on 17/1/22

They’ll never sign those players because they aren’t allowed the same investment that City and Chelsea were. Moshiri has been complaining that he’s not allowed to invest more.

They’ve been terrible in the market, no doubt. But let’s not pretend like they were ever capable of shopping in the market City were when they signed all those top players.

posted on 17/1/22

Yep we got in before they shut the door.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
I was looking at Chelsea's league titles and for some reason thought they had won more leagues than they had under Roman. Was quite surprised at 5 really, 2 in the last 10 years.
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All his investment is still as a loan too isn’t it?

posted on 17/1/22

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
I was looking at Chelsea's league titles and for some reason thought they had won more leagues than they had under Roman. Was quite surprised at 5 really, 2 in the last 10 years.
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All his investment is still as a loan too isn’t it?
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From what I read that's how they work it and it's billions, it increases too, so he'll front money that they have not yet earned without batting an eyelid. Tbf they win plenty but I doubt Roman considers 2 leagues in 12 years that great and given some of the sums spent it lends itself to Ripley's OP really.

comment by Szoboss (U6997)

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
I was looking at Chelsea's league titles and for some reason thought they had won more leagues than they had under Roman. Was quite surprised at 5 really, 2 in the last 10 years.
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All his investment is still as a loan too isn’t it?
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From what I read that's how they work it and it's billions, it increases too, so he'll front money that they have not yet earned without batting an eyelid. Tbf they win plenty but I doubt Roman considers 2 leagues in 12 years that great and given some of the sums spent it lends itself to Ripley's OP really.
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Two CLs as well to be fair. But I get the point.

posted on 17/1/22

They've had some really poor seasons too. Didn't they come 10th one season? They've a fair few players on the books who don't look great value atm as well.

posted on 17/1/22

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
They've had some really poor seasons too. Didn't they come 10th one season? They've a fair few players on the books who don't look great value atm as well.
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Our future De Bruyne and your future Salah are in there somewhere

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