A failure of a chairman on the football field. 1 league cup in 22 years is astonishingly poor for a club of our size. A lot of it is down to Daniel Levy not taking the opportunity when the club were at an all time high. Instead, he thought we could stumble our way through success with very limited spending. A rubbish chairman if you want a successful football team. On the business side of things, clearly one of the best. But, as a Spurs fan I couldn’t give a flying f** we are top of the profit table.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
I may be in the minority, but I am still a huge fan if Dabiel Levy. Yes he has made mistakes, but tell me someone who hasn't.
His overseeing of the new stadium will become his legacy, and now that it is again full, will give Spurs a massive financial advantage going forward. It will become an absolute cash cow, and allow Spurs to grow on and off the field.
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Key word cash cow. That's like sweet music for Levy & Joe!
They'll just settle for fooling the fans in thinking they'll invest in players like they have done in very aspect of the club, but as fans we'll just get the same old links to Dybala and Lauturo Martinez, when the times for selling tickets comes around, then we'll be joining the crew that sing from the We Love Daniel hymn sheet. Then the window closes, and Levy and Je have yet again the last laugh,
Not tell me you haven't seen this scenario before as a Spurs fans?
Yeah, ground hog day dude!
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Nobody forces supporters to buy tickets. If you don't want to go, you have a choice. Most on the board never ever set a single foot in WHL anyway. The ones that do will go whatever. It is what it is.
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Agreed. I was a season ticket holder, and waited years to get one. But, with this Levy run "corporation" I DID decide to back up my frustrations on how MY club was run, and walked away at the end of season 18/19, knowing I would never get another one.
Many come on here moaning about the injustice of it all with Levy and Enic, but will continue to renew their ST, continue to buy the merchandise, and the food and drink on match days, thereby guaranteeing this perpetual Levy "project" that, put simply, means continuing to focus on the balance sheet, continuing to look for any and every new revenue stream, and just enough spend to ensure Spurs stay on the PL gravy train.
If you don't like it, and cant see where the next trophy is ever coming from, then walk away. Continue to follow your team by all means, but stop lining their pockets year on year, then moan about it.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
I may be in the minority, but I am still a huge fan if Dabiel Levy. Yes he has made mistakes, but tell me someone who hasn't.
His overseeing of the new stadium will become his legacy, and now that it is again full, will give Spurs a massive financial advantage going forward. It will become an absolute cash cow, and allow Spurs to grow on and off the field.
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Key word cash cow. That's like sweet music for Levy & Joe!
They'll just settle for fooling the fans in thinking they'll invest in players like they have done in very aspect of the club, but as fans we'll just get the same old links to Dybala and Lauturo Martinez, when the times for selling tickets comes around, then we'll be joining the crew that sing from the We Love Daniel hymn sheet. Then the window closes, and Levy and Je have yet again the last laugh,
Not tell me you haven't seen this scenario before as a Spurs fans?
Yeah, ground hog day dude!
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Nobody forces supporters to buy tickets. If you don't want to go, you have a choice. Most on the board never ever set a single foot in WHL anyway. The ones that do will go whatever. It is what it is.
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Agreed. I was a season ticket holder, and waited years to get one. But, with this Levy run "corporation" I DID decide to back up my frustrations on how MY club was run, and walked away at the end of season 18/19, knowing I would never get another one.
Many come on here moaning about the injustice of it all with Levy and Enic, but will continue to renew their ST, continue to buy the merchandise, and the food and drink on match days, thereby guaranteeing this perpetual Levy "project" that, put simply, means continuing to focus on the balance sheet, continuing to look for any and every new revenue stream, and just enough spend to ensure Spurs stay on the PL gravy train.
If you don't like it, and cant see where the next trophy is ever coming from, then walk away. Continue to follow your team by all means, but stop lining their pockets year on year, then moan about it.
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Agreed. I haven’t seen Spurs since before the pandemic. I used to go roughy 6/7 times in a season. When Daniel Levy proves to me he’s willing to actually start spending properly on the football side of things and show he’s serious about creating a trophy winning club, that’s when I’ll go back and start paying premium prices. I refuse to give them money when they do nothing to justify the highest ticket prices in Europe.
comment by MK (U9129)
posted 3 minutes ago
Congratulations Mr Levy
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I feel for fans who are boycotting games out of protest. But their loss is another mans gain. I love football and Spurs too much to stop going.
If ENIC were taking profits out of the club for Joe Lewis to spend on artwork I would understand their protests.
But as far as the accounts show that is not the case so I don't get why anyone would. We are a self stustaining club so as fans we need to do our bit 👍🏻. However, tickets are expensive and with petrol, and bills rising totally understandable if you can't go.
having read the various, and many predictable comments on here about spending, people need to reflect properly on how Spurs are run.
Firstly, the owners take ZERO out of the club, bar Levy's wages. While they are not putting their own money in, they are not taking anything out and this is exactly the same as many clubs in the league, including the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.
SO if people are referring to Spurs being a cashcow, then this is not a criticism because actually if Spurs are generating huge amounts of cash, then that means we will have more to spend.
If you analyse the pre-new WHL spending and that since it opened, then the spending is much increased, even allowing for the pandemic.
It has gone largely unnoticed that Spurs revenues now exceed Arsenals and are on a par with Chelsea's. 10 years ago both those clubs would have had revenues 50% bigger than ours.
These massive financial changes are undeniable and will stand us in very good stead going forward, and in this respect we are one of the best run clubs in the land, and our potential is huge - UCL revenues, sponsorship, other stadium use. These can boost our revenues even more, another £100m+ over time.
I get that fans have been very patient and want results & trophies now. Our trophy haul is embarrassingly bad and while some of that is the owners fault, they cannot be blamed for everything, to do so is simply lazy!
It is unfortunate that our recent period of strength was undermined by the stadium build. Perhaps at that stage the owners should have speculated more, out of their own pocket, to keep the momentum of our progress, but with the huge costs of the stadium you can understand their caution, even if their risk adverse stewardship is frustrating. But you can look back in hindsight and say that £50m spent then could well have maintained our status at a time when our stock was very high, and that in not doing so we have certainly lost out in terms of UCL revenues sponsorship etc.....this safe approach by the owners is what frustrates me the most as sometimes it seems counter-intuitive from an investment point of view. But i am more or less a peace with their approach as, as mentioned already, they are far from alone in this.
Where i find most criticism of them is in the decision making and off-field structure. This is most clearly illustrated by our recruitment which has been up and down at best, and simply awful at times. We have clearly been prepared to spend big on players we identify as worthy - Sanchez £42m, NDombele £54m, GLC £40m, Romero £42m, but most of these have not been a success, and there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking and management of the squad, typified by our right back situation.
I see signs of better structure with Paratici & Conte at the helm, (Cuti, Kulu & Bentancor look good!) and there are certainly signings of our increased willingness to spend.
This summer is truly a watershed moment. Conte will walk if we do not back him and Kane would follow him....or if Kane went, Conte would follow him. We need to show huge ambition this summer to make us serious top 4 players, not scraping around on the fringes, massive progress with a view contending with the City & Liverpool after that.
I have a nagging fear that we have a Poch safety-net, that if Conte walks, Poch will come back in and accept less from the owners. We'll see, but for me this summer its ENICs last chance to show proper ambition otherwise it is obvious there will be huge unrest amongst fans.
https://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-how-much-premier-league-owners-have-given-their-club-has-been-revealed-20200914
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
having read the various, and many predictable comments on here about spending, people need to reflect properly on how Spurs are run.
Firstly, the owners take ZERO out of the club, bar Levy's wages. While they are not putting their own money in, they are not taking anything out and this is exactly the same as many clubs in the league, including the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.
SO if people are referring to Spurs being a cashcow, then this is not a criticism because actually if Spurs are generating huge amounts of cash, then that means we will have more to spend.
If you analyse the pre-new WHL spending and that since it opened, then the spending is much increased, even allowing for the pandemic.
It has gone largely unnoticed that Spurs revenues now exceed Arsenals and are on a par with Chelsea's. 10 years ago both those clubs would have had revenues 50% bigger than ours.
These massive financial changes are undeniable and will stand us in very good stead going forward, and in this respect we are one of the best run clubs in the land, and our potential is huge - UCL revenues, sponsorship, other stadium use. These can boost our revenues even more, another £100m+ over time.
I get that fans have been very patient and want results & trophies now. Our trophy haul is embarrassingly bad and while some of that is the owners fault, they cannot be blamed for everything, to do so is simply lazy!
It is unfortunate that our recent period of strength was undermined by the stadium build. Perhaps at that stage the owners should have speculated more, out of their own pocket, to keep the momentum of our progress, but with the huge costs of the stadium you can understand their caution, even if their risk adverse stewardship is frustrating. But you can look back in hindsight and say that £50m spent then could well have maintained our status at a time when our stock was very high, and that in not doing so we have certainly lost out in terms of UCL revenues sponsorship etc.....this safe approach by the owners is what frustrates me the most as sometimes it seems counter-intuitive from an investment point of view. But i am more or less a peace with their approach as, as mentioned already, they are far from alone in this.
Where i find most criticism of them is in the decision making and off-field structure. This is most clearly illustrated by our recruitment which has been up and down at best, and simply awful at times. We have clearly been prepared to spend big on players we identify as worthy - Sanchez £42m, NDombele £54m, GLC £40m, Romero £42m, but most of these have not been a success, and there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking and management of the squad, typified by our right back situation.
I see signs of better structure with Paratici & Conte at the helm, (Cuti, Kulu & Bentancor look good!) and there are certainly signings of our increased willingness to spend.
This summer is truly a watershed moment. Conte will walk if we do not back him and Kane would follow him....or if Kane went, Conte would follow him. We need to show huge ambition this summer to make us serious top 4 players, not scraping around on the fringes, massive progress with a view contending with the City & Liverpool after that.
I have a nagging fear that we have a Poch safety-net, that if Conte walks, Poch will come back in and accept less from the owners. We'll see, but for me this summer its ENICs last chance to show proper ambition otherwise it is obvious there will be huge unrest amongst fans.
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comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 25 minutes ago
https://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-how-much-premier-league-owners-have-given-their-club-has-been-revealed-20200914
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the -£40m sum in that first table reflects that the owners put up £40m at the start of the stadium build as part of a contingency fund, and that has been paid back.
Its not the owners pocketing money from the club.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 58 minutes ago
I feel for fans who are boycotting games out of protest. But their loss is another mans gain. I love football and Spurs too much to stop going.
If ENIC were taking profits out of the club for Joe Lewis to spend on artwork I would understand their protests.
But as far as the accounts show that is not the case so I don't get why anyone would. We are a self stustaining club so as fans we need to do our bit 👍🏻. However, tickets are expensive and with petrol, and bills rising totally understandable if you can't go.
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We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ? How are Spurs who spend nothing like the top clubs and don’t compete properly with the top clubs able to justify ridiculous ticket prices? Highest in Europe may i add. If Spurs were competing, winning trophies and spending like they want to, then i get paying premium.
Sorry mate, but the rising prices in society have nothing to do with it. Spurs have always scammed the supporters. It’s not even just about transfers. Look at the season ticket fiasco. Making supporters renew a few months before the season has ended. Despite the outcry, the club have completely ignored it. They have zero thoughts for the supporters of Tottenham Hotspur this lot.
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 51 minutes ago
having read the various, and many predictable comments on here about spending, people need to reflect properly on how Spurs are run.
Firstly, the owners take ZERO out of the club, bar Levy's wages. While they are not putting their own money in, they are not taking anything out and this is exactly the same as many clubs in the league, including the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.
SO if people are referring to Spurs being a cashcow, then this is not a criticism because actually if Spurs are generating huge amounts of cash, then that means we will have more to spend.
If you analyse the pre-new WHL spending and that since it opened, then the spending is much increased, even allowing for the pandemic.
It has gone largely unnoticed that Spurs revenues now exceed Arsenals and are on a par with Chelsea's. 10 years ago both those clubs would have had revenues 50% bigger than ours.
These massive financial changes are undeniable and will stand us in very good stead going forward, and in this respect we are one of the best run clubs in the land, and our potential is huge - UCL revenues, sponsorship, other stadium use. These can boost our revenues even more, another £100m+ over time.
I get that fans have been very patient and want results & trophies now. Our trophy haul is embarrassingly bad and while some of that is the owners fault, they cannot be blamed for everything, to do so is simply lazy!
It is unfortunate that our recent period of strength was undermined by the stadium build. Perhaps at that stage the owners should have speculated more, out of their own pocket, to keep the momentum of our progress, but with the huge costs of the stadium you can understand their caution, even if their risk adverse stewardship is frustrating. But you can look back in hindsight and say that £50m spent then could well have maintained our status at a time when our stock was very high, and that in not doing so we have certainly lost out in terms of UCL revenues sponsorship etc.....this safe approach by the owners is what frustrates me the most as sometimes it seems counter-intuitive from an investment point of view. But i am more or less a peace with their approach as, as mentioned already, they are far from alone in this.
Where i find most criticism of them is in the decision making and off-field structure. This is most clearly illustrated by our recruitment which has been up and down at best, and simply awful at times. We have clearly been prepared to spend big on players we identify as worthy - Sanchez £42m, NDombele £54m, GLC £40m, Romero £42m, but most of these have not been a success, and there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking and management of the squad, typified by our right back situation.
I see signs of better structure with Paratici & Conte at the helm, (Cuti, Kulu & Bentancor look good!) and there are certainly signings of our increased willingness to spend.
This summer is truly a watershed moment. Conte will walk if we do not back him and Kane would follow him....or if Kane went, Conte would follow him. We need to show huge ambition this summer to make us serious top 4 players, not scraping around on the fringes, massive progress with a view contending with the City & Liverpool after that.
I have a nagging fear that we have a Poch safety-net, that if Conte walks, Poch will come back in and accept less from the owners. We'll see, but for me this summer its ENICs last chance to show proper ambition otherwise it is obvious there will be huge unrest amongst fans.
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👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
Anyway, in important matters. Will Smith’s bit** slap. Wrong or not? Totally wrong in my eyes and you just don’t go assaulting people because your angry at a joke about the wife regardless of how bad taste the joke is. Chris Rock took it brilliantly to be fair.
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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Agreed and i could easily pay for a season ticket or any Spurs game. It’s zero to do with finances or the current economic crisis. It’s to do with principle for me. I have spent years complaining about Levy and not being happy with how he runs the club, so why would i fund him? I will always support the club, but currently I’m not willing to spend my money until i see change from him and ENIC
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
A failure of a chairman on the football field. 1 league cup in 22 years is astonishingly poor for a club of our size. A lot of it is down to Daniel Levy not taking the opportunity when the club were at an all time high. Instead, he thought we could stumble our way through success with very limited spending. A rubbish chairman if you want a successful football team. On the business side of things, clearly one of the best. But, as a Spurs fan I couldn’t give a flying f** we are top of the profit table.
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it is an abysmal record, but he inherited a club with an equally abysmal record for the decade previously. lets not forget that it wasnt too long before he arrived where a good season was avoiding a relegation battle and making an fa cup quarter final.
trophies are sparse but we are now competing at the business end of the league on a pretty consistent basis, and have been to a CL final...
his big mistake was not adequately backing poch when in a position of strength, and lately he has made some poor off the field decisions which have rightly been criticised.
however, as we stand here today, levy has delivered a state of the art stadium and training ground, thus future proofing revenues as it is multi use.
he has delivered 1 trophy, which is not enough, but has released funds to the level to get the club competing levels above where it was pre ENIC. he has now put in place a Paritici and Conte combination which we can all agree is a sign of serious ambition.
if we take a look at us now v a look at us then approach, then he has done a great job. if we get into a bit more detail then we will look at various times when he could have done a much better job, but I take a lot of comfort knowing that my club wont be gambled with, and we end up in league 1 battling with portsmouth and sunderland and those kind of clubs who were finishing above us in the premier league not that long ago.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway, in important matters. Will Smith’s bit** slap. Wrong or not? Totally wrong in my eyes and you just don’t go assaulting people because your angry at a joke about the wife regardless of how bad taste the joke is. Chris Rock took it brilliantly to be fair.
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Yeah TeamRock all day. Never liked Will Smith apart from Fresh Prince. Awful actor who basically plays himself in every movie.
He should have clipped in an after party or something. He actually laughed at the joke then switched after seeing Jada's reaction.
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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I find the conflicting position of "premium prices" and criticism of the owners for not spending a hard one to square off.
If people want 15% less expensive tickets then be prepared to lose £15m-£20m off the revenues etc.
Do folk then expect us to compete or the ownes to fill that void with their own money? Doesn't compute.
Spurs tickets are expensive because we are London and we have THE best stadium in the land.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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Agreed and i could easily pay for a season ticket or any Spurs game. It’s zero to do with finances or the current economic crisis. It’s to do with principle for me. I have spent years complaining about Levy and not being happy with how he runs the club, so why would i fund him? I will always support the club, but currently I’m not willing to spend my money until i see change from him and ENIC
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I dont see it as funding Levy though.. you are paying to go to watch the team and enjoy (hopefully the day out). It is a simple equation... is me going to watch spurs worth the money I have to pay? if the answer is no then fair enough. if it is yes then fair enough. I think its a wierd approach to not go to spurs specifically because you do not want Levy to have your money... meanwhile most people give money to unkown faces at credit card companies, car finance companies, banks, governments, even some charities and you have no idea where it goes, but you dont give the same level of scrutiny or appraoch it with the same mindset.
(not saying you specifically, just talking about the general joe bloggs from down the road)
What keeps me positive about Spurs and the direction we are going in is Antonio Conte who I wanted last year. What keeps me pessimistic and worried is Daniel Levy. I just don’t trust him.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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I find the conflicting position of "premium prices" and criticism of the owners for not spending a hard one to square off.
If people want 15% less expensive tickets then be prepared to lose £15m-£20m off the revenues etc.
Do folk then expect us to compete or the ownes to fill that void with their own money? Doesn't compute.
Spurs tickets are expensive because we are London and we have THE best stadium in the land.
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I think that most spurs fans will begrudgingly admit that money has been spent. the problem is that it hasn't been spent at the right time (those 3 windows with no additions hurt us), or hasn't been spent on the right players.
The 150m outlay on ndombele lo celso sess and jack clarke that summer after CL final should have been spread over that summer and the summer before, when in a position of strength.
Thats transfer fees. As for wage bill, we have moved ours up in line with the increase in revenue over the last decade, and maintain a sensible healthy wages to turnover ratio.
Levy undeniably spends... just needs to work on timing of the spend and what the spend is on (Paritici's job basically)
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
A failure of a chairman on the football field. 1 league cup in 22 years is astonishingly poor for a club of our size. A lot of it is down to Daniel Levy not taking the opportunity when the club were at an all time high. Instead, he thought we could stumble our way through success with very limited spending. A rubbish chairman if you want a successful football team. On the business side of things, clearly one of the best. But, as a Spurs fan I couldn’t give a flying f** we are top of the profit table.
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it is an abysmal record, but he inherited a club with an equally abysmal record for the decade previously. lets not forget that it wasnt too long before he arrived where a good season was avoiding a relegation battle and making an fa cup quarter final.
trophies are sparse but we are now competing at the business end of the league on a pretty consistent basis, and have been to a CL final...
his big mistake was not adequately backing poch when in a position of strength, and lately he has made some poor off the field decisions which have rightly been criticised.
however, as we stand here today, levy has delivered a state of the art stadium and training ground, thus future proofing revenues as it is multi use.
he has delivered 1 trophy, which is not enough, but has released funds to the level to get the club competing levels above where it was pre ENIC. he has now put in place a Paritici and Conte combination which we can all agree is a sign of serious ambition.
if we take a look at us now v a look at us then approach, then he has done a great job. if we get into a bit more detail then we will look at various times when he could have done a much better job, but I take a lot of comfort knowing that my club wont be gambled with, and we end up in league 1 battling with portsmouth and sunderland and those kind of clubs who were finishing above us in the premier league not that long ago.
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For me Chronic, its not even the risk of "doing a Leeds" that concerns me.
Everton are an example of a shocking spending and management policy. They really have spent huge sums and now cannot spend anything due to FFP.
They risk a lengthy period in the doldrums to try and build themselves back up again.
It is so difficult to compete at the very top. If we are looking for quality players then we are then competing with LFc & City etc and Diaz is a great example. It is easy to waste money as almost every club has shown that to be true. We cannot afford to have £50m players underperforming, so our decision making is often about the big picture, often requiring sales to get in new buys. City, Utd etc, can just swallow up £40m, £50m transfer mistakes and move on. We have to be more prudent in this respect or we do risk "doing an Everton" and blowing more than we can afford and setting ourselves back years.
ENIC have had 20 years to get their shiete in order with the football team, on the odd rare occasion they have actually put together a decent outfit (more by luck than judgement), they have balked at the prospect of really going for it every time.
Instead they preferred to stick to a strict bottom line and forwent the opportunity to bring some silverware. This is the problem, they are businessmen, not football men, and business will come before football every single time with ENIC.
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posted on 28/3/22
A failure of a chairman on the football field. 1 league cup in 22 years is astonishingly poor for a club of our size. A lot of it is down to Daniel Levy not taking the opportunity when the club were at an all time high. Instead, he thought we could stumble our way through success with very limited spending. A rubbish chairman if you want a successful football team. On the business side of things, clearly one of the best. But, as a Spurs fan I couldn’t give a flying f** we are top of the profit table.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
I may be in the minority, but I am still a huge fan if Dabiel Levy. Yes he has made mistakes, but tell me someone who hasn't.
His overseeing of the new stadium will become his legacy, and now that it is again full, will give Spurs a massive financial advantage going forward. It will become an absolute cash cow, and allow Spurs to grow on and off the field.
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Key word cash cow. That's like sweet music for Levy & Joe!
They'll just settle for fooling the fans in thinking they'll invest in players like they have done in very aspect of the club, but as fans we'll just get the same old links to Dybala and Lauturo Martinez, when the times for selling tickets comes around, then we'll be joining the crew that sing from the We Love Daniel hymn sheet. Then the window closes, and Levy and Je have yet again the last laugh,
Not tell me you haven't seen this scenario before as a Spurs fans?
Yeah, ground hog day dude!
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Nobody forces supporters to buy tickets. If you don't want to go, you have a choice. Most on the board never ever set a single foot in WHL anyway. The ones that do will go whatever. It is what it is.
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Agreed. I was a season ticket holder, and waited years to get one. But, with this Levy run "corporation" I DID decide to back up my frustrations on how MY club was run, and walked away at the end of season 18/19, knowing I would never get another one.
Many come on here moaning about the injustice of it all with Levy and Enic, but will continue to renew their ST, continue to buy the merchandise, and the food and drink on match days, thereby guaranteeing this perpetual Levy "project" that, put simply, means continuing to focus on the balance sheet, continuing to look for any and every new revenue stream, and just enough spend to ensure Spurs stay on the PL gravy train.
If you don't like it, and cant see where the next trophy is ever coming from, then walk away. Continue to follow your team by all means, but stop lining their pockets year on year, then moan about it.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
I may be in the minority, but I am still a huge fan if Dabiel Levy. Yes he has made mistakes, but tell me someone who hasn't.
His overseeing of the new stadium will become his legacy, and now that it is again full, will give Spurs a massive financial advantage going forward. It will become an absolute cash cow, and allow Spurs to grow on and off the field.
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Key word cash cow. That's like sweet music for Levy & Joe!
They'll just settle for fooling the fans in thinking they'll invest in players like they have done in very aspect of the club, but as fans we'll just get the same old links to Dybala and Lauturo Martinez, when the times for selling tickets comes around, then we'll be joining the crew that sing from the We Love Daniel hymn sheet. Then the window closes, and Levy and Je have yet again the last laugh,
Not tell me you haven't seen this scenario before as a Spurs fans?
Yeah, ground hog day dude!
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Nobody forces supporters to buy tickets. If you don't want to go, you have a choice. Most on the board never ever set a single foot in WHL anyway. The ones that do will go whatever. It is what it is.
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Agreed. I was a season ticket holder, and waited years to get one. But, with this Levy run "corporation" I DID decide to back up my frustrations on how MY club was run, and walked away at the end of season 18/19, knowing I would never get another one.
Many come on here moaning about the injustice of it all with Levy and Enic, but will continue to renew their ST, continue to buy the merchandise, and the food and drink on match days, thereby guaranteeing this perpetual Levy "project" that, put simply, means continuing to focus on the balance sheet, continuing to look for any and every new revenue stream, and just enough spend to ensure Spurs stay on the PL gravy train.
If you don't like it, and cant see where the next trophy is ever coming from, then walk away. Continue to follow your team by all means, but stop lining their pockets year on year, then moan about it.
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Agreed. I haven’t seen Spurs since before the pandemic. I used to go roughy 6/7 times in a season. When Daniel Levy proves to me he’s willing to actually start spending properly on the football side of things and show he’s serious about creating a trophy winning club, that’s when I’ll go back and start paying premium prices. I refuse to give them money when they do nothing to justify the highest ticket prices in Europe.
posted on 28/3/22
Congratulations Mr Levy
posted on 28/3/22
comment by MK (U9129)
posted 3 minutes ago
Congratulations Mr Levy
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posted on 28/3/22
I feel for fans who are boycotting games out of protest. But their loss is another mans gain. I love football and Spurs too much to stop going.
If ENIC were taking profits out of the club for Joe Lewis to spend on artwork I would understand their protests.
But as far as the accounts show that is not the case so I don't get why anyone would. We are a self stustaining club so as fans we need to do our bit 👍🏻. However, tickets are expensive and with petrol, and bills rising totally understandable if you can't go.
posted on 28/3/22
having read the various, and many predictable comments on here about spending, people need to reflect properly on how Spurs are run.
Firstly, the owners take ZERO out of the club, bar Levy's wages. While they are not putting their own money in, they are not taking anything out and this is exactly the same as many clubs in the league, including the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.
SO if people are referring to Spurs being a cashcow, then this is not a criticism because actually if Spurs are generating huge amounts of cash, then that means we will have more to spend.
If you analyse the pre-new WHL spending and that since it opened, then the spending is much increased, even allowing for the pandemic.
It has gone largely unnoticed that Spurs revenues now exceed Arsenals and are on a par with Chelsea's. 10 years ago both those clubs would have had revenues 50% bigger than ours.
These massive financial changes are undeniable and will stand us in very good stead going forward, and in this respect we are one of the best run clubs in the land, and our potential is huge - UCL revenues, sponsorship, other stadium use. These can boost our revenues even more, another £100m+ over time.
I get that fans have been very patient and want results & trophies now. Our trophy haul is embarrassingly bad and while some of that is the owners fault, they cannot be blamed for everything, to do so is simply lazy!
It is unfortunate that our recent period of strength was undermined by the stadium build. Perhaps at that stage the owners should have speculated more, out of their own pocket, to keep the momentum of our progress, but with the huge costs of the stadium you can understand their caution, even if their risk adverse stewardship is frustrating. But you can look back in hindsight and say that £50m spent then could well have maintained our status at a time when our stock was very high, and that in not doing so we have certainly lost out in terms of UCL revenues sponsorship etc.....this safe approach by the owners is what frustrates me the most as sometimes it seems counter-intuitive from an investment point of view. But i am more or less a peace with their approach as, as mentioned already, they are far from alone in this.
Where i find most criticism of them is in the decision making and off-field structure. This is most clearly illustrated by our recruitment which has been up and down at best, and simply awful at times. We have clearly been prepared to spend big on players we identify as worthy - Sanchez £42m, NDombele £54m, GLC £40m, Romero £42m, but most of these have not been a success, and there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking and management of the squad, typified by our right back situation.
I see signs of better structure with Paratici & Conte at the helm, (Cuti, Kulu & Bentancor look good!) and there are certainly signings of our increased willingness to spend.
This summer is truly a watershed moment. Conte will walk if we do not back him and Kane would follow him....or if Kane went, Conte would follow him. We need to show huge ambition this summer to make us serious top 4 players, not scraping around on the fringes, massive progress with a view contending with the City & Liverpool after that.
I have a nagging fear that we have a Poch safety-net, that if Conte walks, Poch will come back in and accept less from the owners. We'll see, but for me this summer its ENICs last chance to show proper ambition otherwise it is obvious there will be huge unrest amongst fans.
posted on 28/3/22
https://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-how-much-premier-league-owners-have-given-their-club-has-been-revealed-20200914
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
having read the various, and many predictable comments on here about spending, people need to reflect properly on how Spurs are run.
Firstly, the owners take ZERO out of the club, bar Levy's wages. While they are not putting their own money in, they are not taking anything out and this is exactly the same as many clubs in the league, including the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.
SO if people are referring to Spurs being a cashcow, then this is not a criticism because actually if Spurs are generating huge amounts of cash, then that means we will have more to spend.
If you analyse the pre-new WHL spending and that since it opened, then the spending is much increased, even allowing for the pandemic.
It has gone largely unnoticed that Spurs revenues now exceed Arsenals and are on a par with Chelsea's. 10 years ago both those clubs would have had revenues 50% bigger than ours.
These massive financial changes are undeniable and will stand us in very good stead going forward, and in this respect we are one of the best run clubs in the land, and our potential is huge - UCL revenues, sponsorship, other stadium use. These can boost our revenues even more, another £100m+ over time.
I get that fans have been very patient and want results & trophies now. Our trophy haul is embarrassingly bad and while some of that is the owners fault, they cannot be blamed for everything, to do so is simply lazy!
It is unfortunate that our recent period of strength was undermined by the stadium build. Perhaps at that stage the owners should have speculated more, out of their own pocket, to keep the momentum of our progress, but with the huge costs of the stadium you can understand their caution, even if their risk adverse stewardship is frustrating. But you can look back in hindsight and say that £50m spent then could well have maintained our status at a time when our stock was very high, and that in not doing so we have certainly lost out in terms of UCL revenues sponsorship etc.....this safe approach by the owners is what frustrates me the most as sometimes it seems counter-intuitive from an investment point of view. But i am more or less a peace with their approach as, as mentioned already, they are far from alone in this.
Where i find most criticism of them is in the decision making and off-field structure. This is most clearly illustrated by our recruitment which has been up and down at best, and simply awful at times. We have clearly been prepared to spend big on players we identify as worthy - Sanchez £42m, NDombele £54m, GLC £40m, Romero £42m, but most of these have not been a success, and there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking and management of the squad, typified by our right back situation.
I see signs of better structure with Paratici & Conte at the helm, (Cuti, Kulu & Bentancor look good!) and there are certainly signings of our increased willingness to spend.
This summer is truly a watershed moment. Conte will walk if we do not back him and Kane would follow him....or if Kane went, Conte would follow him. We need to show huge ambition this summer to make us serious top 4 players, not scraping around on the fringes, massive progress with a view contending with the City & Liverpool after that.
I have a nagging fear that we have a Poch safety-net, that if Conte walks, Poch will come back in and accept less from the owners. We'll see, but for me this summer its ENICs last chance to show proper ambition otherwise it is obvious there will be huge unrest amongst fans.
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posted on 28/3/22
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 25 minutes ago
https://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-how-much-premier-league-owners-have-given-their-club-has-been-revealed-20200914
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the -£40m sum in that first table reflects that the owners put up £40m at the start of the stadium build as part of a contingency fund, and that has been paid back.
Its not the owners pocketing money from the club.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 58 minutes ago
I feel for fans who are boycotting games out of protest. But their loss is another mans gain. I love football and Spurs too much to stop going.
If ENIC were taking profits out of the club for Joe Lewis to spend on artwork I would understand their protests.
But as far as the accounts show that is not the case so I don't get why anyone would. We are a self stustaining club so as fans we need to do our bit 👍🏻. However, tickets are expensive and with petrol, and bills rising totally understandable if you can't go.
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We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ? How are Spurs who spend nothing like the top clubs and don’t compete properly with the top clubs able to justify ridiculous ticket prices? Highest in Europe may i add. If Spurs were competing, winning trophies and spending like they want to, then i get paying premium.
Sorry mate, but the rising prices in society have nothing to do with it. Spurs have always scammed the supporters. It’s not even just about transfers. Look at the season ticket fiasco. Making supporters renew a few months before the season has ended. Despite the outcry, the club have completely ignored it. They have zero thoughts for the supporters of Tottenham Hotspur this lot.
posted on 28/3/22
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 51 minutes ago
having read the various, and many predictable comments on here about spending, people need to reflect properly on how Spurs are run.
Firstly, the owners take ZERO out of the club, bar Levy's wages. While they are not putting their own money in, they are not taking anything out and this is exactly the same as many clubs in the league, including the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.
SO if people are referring to Spurs being a cashcow, then this is not a criticism because actually if Spurs are generating huge amounts of cash, then that means we will have more to spend.
If you analyse the pre-new WHL spending and that since it opened, then the spending is much increased, even allowing for the pandemic.
It has gone largely unnoticed that Spurs revenues now exceed Arsenals and are on a par with Chelsea's. 10 years ago both those clubs would have had revenues 50% bigger than ours.
These massive financial changes are undeniable and will stand us in very good stead going forward, and in this respect we are one of the best run clubs in the land, and our potential is huge - UCL revenues, sponsorship, other stadium use. These can boost our revenues even more, another £100m+ over time.
I get that fans have been very patient and want results & trophies now. Our trophy haul is embarrassingly bad and while some of that is the owners fault, they cannot be blamed for everything, to do so is simply lazy!
It is unfortunate that our recent period of strength was undermined by the stadium build. Perhaps at that stage the owners should have speculated more, out of their own pocket, to keep the momentum of our progress, but with the huge costs of the stadium you can understand their caution, even if their risk adverse stewardship is frustrating. But you can look back in hindsight and say that £50m spent then could well have maintained our status at a time when our stock was very high, and that in not doing so we have certainly lost out in terms of UCL revenues sponsorship etc.....this safe approach by the owners is what frustrates me the most as sometimes it seems counter-intuitive from an investment point of view. But i am more or less a peace with their approach as, as mentioned already, they are far from alone in this.
Where i find most criticism of them is in the decision making and off-field structure. This is most clearly illustrated by our recruitment which has been up and down at best, and simply awful at times. We have clearly been prepared to spend big on players we identify as worthy - Sanchez £42m, NDombele £54m, GLC £40m, Romero £42m, but most of these have not been a success, and there seems to be a lack of joined up thinking and management of the squad, typified by our right back situation.
I see signs of better structure with Paratici & Conte at the helm, (Cuti, Kulu & Bentancor look good!) and there are certainly signings of our increased willingness to spend.
This summer is truly a watershed moment. Conte will walk if we do not back him and Kane would follow him....or if Kane went, Conte would follow him. We need to show huge ambition this summer to make us serious top 4 players, not scraping around on the fringes, massive progress with a view contending with the City & Liverpool after that.
I have a nagging fear that we have a Poch safety-net, that if Conte walks, Poch will come back in and accept less from the owners. We'll see, but for me this summer its ENICs last chance to show proper ambition otherwise it is obvious there will be huge unrest amongst fans.
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posted on 28/3/22
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
posted on 28/3/22
Anyway, in important matters. Will Smith’s bit** slap. Wrong or not? Totally wrong in my eyes and you just don’t go assaulting people because your angry at a joke about the wife regardless of how bad taste the joke is. Chris Rock took it brilliantly to be fair.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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Agreed and i could easily pay for a season ticket or any Spurs game. It’s zero to do with finances or the current economic crisis. It’s to do with principle for me. I have spent years complaining about Levy and not being happy with how he runs the club, so why would i fund him? I will always support the club, but currently I’m not willing to spend my money until i see change from him and ENIC
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
A failure of a chairman on the football field. 1 league cup in 22 years is astonishingly poor for a club of our size. A lot of it is down to Daniel Levy not taking the opportunity when the club were at an all time high. Instead, he thought we could stumble our way through success with very limited spending. A rubbish chairman if you want a successful football team. On the business side of things, clearly one of the best. But, as a Spurs fan I couldn’t give a flying f** we are top of the profit table.
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it is an abysmal record, but he inherited a club with an equally abysmal record for the decade previously. lets not forget that it wasnt too long before he arrived where a good season was avoiding a relegation battle and making an fa cup quarter final.
trophies are sparse but we are now competing at the business end of the league on a pretty consistent basis, and have been to a CL final...
his big mistake was not adequately backing poch when in a position of strength, and lately he has made some poor off the field decisions which have rightly been criticised.
however, as we stand here today, levy has delivered a state of the art stadium and training ground, thus future proofing revenues as it is multi use.
he has delivered 1 trophy, which is not enough, but has released funds to the level to get the club competing levels above where it was pre ENIC. he has now put in place a Paritici and Conte combination which we can all agree is a sign of serious ambition.
if we take a look at us now v a look at us then approach, then he has done a great job. if we get into a bit more detail then we will look at various times when he could have done a much better job, but I take a lot of comfort knowing that my club wont be gambled with, and we end up in league 1 battling with portsmouth and sunderland and those kind of clubs who were finishing above us in the premier league not that long ago.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway, in important matters. Will Smith’s bit** slap. Wrong or not? Totally wrong in my eyes and you just don’t go assaulting people because your angry at a joke about the wife regardless of how bad taste the joke is. Chris Rock took it brilliantly to be fair.
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Yeah TeamRock all day. Never liked Will Smith apart from Fresh Prince. Awful actor who basically plays himself in every movie.
He should have clipped in an after party or something. He actually laughed at the joke then switched after seeing Jada's reaction.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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I find the conflicting position of "premium prices" and criticism of the owners for not spending a hard one to square off.
If people want 15% less expensive tickets then be prepared to lose £15m-£20m off the revenues etc.
Do folk then expect us to compete or the ownes to fill that void with their own money? Doesn't compute.
Spurs tickets are expensive because we are London and we have THE best stadium in the land.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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Agreed and i could easily pay for a season ticket or any Spurs game. It’s zero to do with finances or the current economic crisis. It’s to do with principle for me. I have spent years complaining about Levy and not being happy with how he runs the club, so why would i fund him? I will always support the club, but currently I’m not willing to spend my money until i see change from him and ENIC
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I dont see it as funding Levy though.. you are paying to go to watch the team and enjoy (hopefully the day out). It is a simple equation... is me going to watch spurs worth the money I have to pay? if the answer is no then fair enough. if it is yes then fair enough. I think its a wierd approach to not go to spurs specifically because you do not want Levy to have your money... meanwhile most people give money to unkown faces at credit card companies, car finance companies, banks, governments, even some charities and you have no idea where it goes, but you dont give the same level of scrutiny or appraoch it with the same mindset.
(not saying you specifically, just talking about the general joe bloggs from down the road)
posted on 28/3/22
What keeps me positive about Spurs and the direction we are going in is Antonio Conte who I wanted last year. What keeps me pessimistic and worried is Daniel Levy. I just don’t trust him.
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Chronic (U3423)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by Chronic (U3423)
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We pay premium prices for mostly sh** on the football field. How is that justified ?
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you dont because earlier you said you havent been to a game since pre pandemic. so you dont pay premium prices at all... presumably apart from for sky and BT
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I’m talking in general mate. Supporters of the club who pay premium. I certainly did before but I refuse until i see the chairman funding the club on the field properly
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yeah fair enough i get what you mean.
so, my season ticket is £1,200 which we can agree is a premium price. for me personally that is worth it. I live walking distance to ground so my match day costs are zero, and if i wasnt going to spurs I would probably be out that day or night and spend the equivalent of a ticket anyway on entry tickets and alcohol to some kind of event or show etc.
the beauty of football is that you never know what is going to happen on the pitch, apart from spurs conceding from a set piece. you ride out the bad times and enjoy the good times. the bad times being bad is what makes the good times so good. feeling sick after wolves and southampton, then feeling on a high after wacking west ham and everton.
whether or not it is value for money is down to everyones individual opinion, but even though I can acknowledge it is expensive, I renewed instantly, albeit with a request of a seat move to the standing section, which is also cheaper.
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I find the conflicting position of "premium prices" and criticism of the owners for not spending a hard one to square off.
If people want 15% less expensive tickets then be prepared to lose £15m-£20m off the revenues etc.
Do folk then expect us to compete or the ownes to fill that void with their own money? Doesn't compute.
Spurs tickets are expensive because we are London and we have THE best stadium in the land.
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I think that most spurs fans will begrudgingly admit that money has been spent. the problem is that it hasn't been spent at the right time (those 3 windows with no additions hurt us), or hasn't been spent on the right players.
The 150m outlay on ndombele lo celso sess and jack clarke that summer after CL final should have been spread over that summer and the summer before, when in a position of strength.
Thats transfer fees. As for wage bill, we have moved ours up in line with the increase in revenue over the last decade, and maintain a sensible healthy wages to turnover ratio.
Levy undeniably spends... just needs to work on timing of the spend and what the spend is on (Paritici's job basically)
posted on 28/3/22
comment by Chronic (U3423)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
A failure of a chairman on the football field. 1 league cup in 22 years is astonishingly poor for a club of our size. A lot of it is down to Daniel Levy not taking the opportunity when the club were at an all time high. Instead, he thought we could stumble our way through success with very limited spending. A rubbish chairman if you want a successful football team. On the business side of things, clearly one of the best. But, as a Spurs fan I couldn’t give a flying f** we are top of the profit table.
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it is an abysmal record, but he inherited a club with an equally abysmal record for the decade previously. lets not forget that it wasnt too long before he arrived where a good season was avoiding a relegation battle and making an fa cup quarter final.
trophies are sparse but we are now competing at the business end of the league on a pretty consistent basis, and have been to a CL final...
his big mistake was not adequately backing poch when in a position of strength, and lately he has made some poor off the field decisions which have rightly been criticised.
however, as we stand here today, levy has delivered a state of the art stadium and training ground, thus future proofing revenues as it is multi use.
he has delivered 1 trophy, which is not enough, but has released funds to the level to get the club competing levels above where it was pre ENIC. he has now put in place a Paritici and Conte combination which we can all agree is a sign of serious ambition.
if we take a look at us now v a look at us then approach, then he has done a great job. if we get into a bit more detail then we will look at various times when he could have done a much better job, but I take a lot of comfort knowing that my club wont be gambled with, and we end up in league 1 battling with portsmouth and sunderland and those kind of clubs who were finishing above us in the premier league not that long ago.
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For me Chronic, its not even the risk of "doing a Leeds" that concerns me.
Everton are an example of a shocking spending and management policy. They really have spent huge sums and now cannot spend anything due to FFP.
They risk a lengthy period in the doldrums to try and build themselves back up again.
It is so difficult to compete at the very top. If we are looking for quality players then we are then competing with LFc & City etc and Diaz is a great example. It is easy to waste money as almost every club has shown that to be true. We cannot afford to have £50m players underperforming, so our decision making is often about the big picture, often requiring sales to get in new buys. City, Utd etc, can just swallow up £40m, £50m transfer mistakes and move on. We have to be more prudent in this respect or we do risk "doing an Everton" and blowing more than we can afford and setting ourselves back years.
posted on 28/3/22
ENIC have had 20 years to get their shiete in order with the football team, on the odd rare occasion they have actually put together a decent outfit (more by luck than judgement), they have balked at the prospect of really going for it every time.
Instead they preferred to stick to a strict bottom line and forwent the opportunity to bring some silverware. This is the problem, they are businessmen, not football men, and business will come before football every single time with ENIC.
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