He's a hot and cold keeper imo, but he's more hot than cold. Kicking and positioning at freekicks seem to be a weakness, but he's as good as any in the league for shot stopping and reactions.
Have to admit, I'm less confident in him now. There are
a lot of good keepers out there (Navas/Steffen/Pope)
who we could potentially go after. In other words, Mes
is good and again he had his brilliant moments today,
but I no longer feel like he's the answer.
Pope is a must sign imo. Criminal that's he still at Burnley. Johnson is another. More than happy with Meslier though.
Don't think he's anywhere near our biggest concern.
Meslier has so many pluses, today he made a positional error for their goal but other than kept us in it, a couple of top drawer quality, and I mean quality, saves. Most of the goals he has conceded this year have been down to defensive errors and without him our gd would be horrendous. It's good to see his confidence isn't shot.
Give the lad a break. He will be up there.
As for Kris Klaesson, what exactly are you basing your assessment on, more than competent display last time out.
Dong you are so not a Leeds fan, pick, pick, pick.
Elsbels you era in cloud cuckoo land .Agood keeper is worth 10 or15 points.I know Meslier made some good saves but in my opinion he was just doing his job for which he is well paid I presume.he cost us 2 points today a point against Newcastle and his distribution is diabolical. I could go on but I’ll stop there .
Donny, cloud cuckoo land is where you live!..
We have a young keeper that has saved us more points then he's lost!..
But you being Mr negative that only has negative things to say about the team/club, owners and everything else, what does it matter?..
dong, is there a better keeper who is 22? for me, we have a real gem, not much better out there any age, he is outstanding & will get better & better........
your wums should be better than this lad come on you slacker
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
Have to admit, I'm less confident in him now. There are
a lot of good keepers out there (Navas/Steffen/Pope)
who we could potentially go after. In other words, Mes
is good and again he had his brilliant moments today,
but I no longer feel like he's the answer.
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really?
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 8 hours, 39 minutes ago
Elsbels you era in cloud cuckoo land .Agood keeper is worth 10 or15 points.I know Meslier made some good saves but in my opinion he was just doing his job for which he is well paid I presume.he cost us 2 points today a point against Newcastle and his distribution is diabolical. I could go on but I’ll stop there .
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...'he's made some good saves' ......wtf? he has been world class, oh dong, i don't wish anything on anyone, but are you blind?
I think we had such a run of keepers that seemed error prone that everyone maybe got a little bit carried away with meslier.
Fans seemed to overlook his mistakes over the last two years. Now it seems quite a few are questioning him.
My view is he’s a very good shot stopper, is positionally a bit hit and miss, has improved on crosses but, as others have said, his distribution is erratic. He’s been in a team that asks a lot if it’s keepers and it’s not an easy job.
For his age he’s an excellent keeper but he’s still really young.. and I’ve been surprised for 2 years that we haven’t gone with a more experienced keeper as back-up/competition for him… with klaessen being young and inexperienced.
The stats say mes has actually been one of the poorer keepers in the league this season but I don’t think you can read too much into expected saves stats etc.
Overall he’s done well and is still a great prospect but he’s not the finished article yet.
Any serous criticism at him is unfair, in my view but questioning the back up strategy is legitimate.
For those interested in such things:
https://the18.com/en/soccer-entertainment/epl-goalie-rankings-2020
You cannot coach natural ability and both boys have got that in spades, they will, with the right coaching improve all aspects of their game and will be quality. It's noticeable from Milky's stats that both Pickford and Foster are having a worse season than Meslier, just bringing in an experienced head is not the answer. Teams that struggle have keepers that struggle, Alisson, Ederson and Lloris would likely struggle behind the chaos at the heart of our defence. Keepers make mistakes like any other player, Mendy has some howlers in him. The more fragile a defence the more a keeper comes into play and the more their mistakes will be highlighted.
As I said, with the right coaching, both lads will improve. I wonder whether the kicking and positional errors are a coaching issue, why do we persist with an academic who was with Orta at MIddlesbrough as GK coach? Can you learn how to be a goalkeeping coach without ever having played the game?
All fair points Els. Experience doesn't automatically = better. And I wasn’t suggesting replacement of mes, more back up. My view is an older head can help off the pitch and be a calming influence on it… if required.
I’ve heard how beneficial young keepers feel having an experienced guy around the place can be… but we’ve entered this season with a keeping squad of teeny boppers.
Re the chaos in front of them - you can argue that an experienced keeper may organise a defence better, inspire confidence etc. It goes both ways but I certainly don’t think being a keeper under bielsa’s Leeds has ever been an easy gig.
To Meslier is a huge talent and we need to remember he came in as aback up and got an earlier than expected chance when Casilla got banned. We then signed him and you have a very young keeper with inexperience playing regularly in the PL. Add to that our attacking style and also the reliance on a keeper playing out and he's done superb really.
A keeper or his type will make mistakes especially at his age. Allison plays out and has that vibe. Though he's obviously class
What would help him is having an experienced back up. Imagine a Ben Fozter type as number 2. Someone who can support him and also come in to cover for him when he maybe needs a spell out of the team
It gets me how people always name older experienced keepers when bringing our lads down!..
It should be asked how old those named keepers were when they took their first team places, and then it should be asked have they gone through games without mistakes sinse then!..
Meslier is very young for a keeper but been praised by many in the game that know more then most around here!..
Ain't we lucky we have people in the know?..
So, Meslier has made mistakes, but we had Kiko before him, how many want Kiko back?..
Every keeper makes mistakes. Even the top sides have keepers who have made howlers. De Gea, Allison etc
Do I have to spell it out .The premier league is no place to be teaching a young keeper his trade .Owner slipped up badly in that regard .A more experienced keeper would instill confidence in his defence be a steadying influence etc etc which Meslier is not at the moment.
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Do I have to spell it out .The premier league is no place to be teaching a young keeper his trade .Owner slipped up badly in that regard .A more experienced keeper would instill confidence in his defence be a steadying influence etc etc which Meslier is not at the moment.
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Paul Robinson one of the better keepers for us played in the premier league as a 19 year old. You'd have binned him.
He wasn’t even at fault for that freekick, it was a great hit, by one of the prems best ever. His save in the first half has superb, get a grip
Crowd were getting on Illan's back he was delaying the distribution. That would suggest that other players were failing to make themselves available. He needs better support from his back line.
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 19 minutes ago
He wasn’t even at fault for that freekick, it was a great hit, by one of the prems best ever. His save in the first half has superb, get a grip
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Lucy Ward's analysis is that he left too wide a gap, she didn't want to criticise as Ward-Prowse is prolific at scoring from a dead ball. You could see it was set up for Ward-Prowse.
Just a bit of balance, something Dong is incapable of.
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 19 minutes ago
He wasn’t even at fault for that freekick, it was a great hit, by one of the prems best ever. His save in the first half has superb, get a grip
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Lucy Ward's analysis is that he left too wide a gap, she didn't want to criticise as Ward-Prowse is prolific at scoring from a dead ball. You could see it was set up for Ward-Prowse.
Just a bit of balance, something Dong is incapable of.
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A coach who had actually played between the posts and wasn't just employed because he is Orta's mate might be working on positioning from dead balls.
Since we've been in the Prem, our defence has been shaky – this season I'd describe it p!ss poor – so it's no surprise Meslier has made a few mistakes under pressure. Apart from his shocking distribution, which has to be addressed, he's got amazing potential. Leeds fans have all too often used our goalies as scapegoats, but we'd be hard pressed to replace Meslier with anyone who'd prove better long-term.
just watched the french no.1 make complete howler dong
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posted on 2/4/22
He's a hot and cold keeper imo, but he's more hot than cold. Kicking and positioning at freekicks seem to be a weakness, but he's as good as any in the league for shot stopping and reactions.
posted on 2/4/22
Have to admit, I'm less confident in him now. There are
a lot of good keepers out there (Navas/Steffen/Pope)
who we could potentially go after. In other words, Mes
is good and again he had his brilliant moments today,
but I no longer feel like he's the answer.
posted on 2/4/22
Pope is a must sign imo. Criminal that's he still at Burnley. Johnson is another. More than happy with Meslier though.
posted on 2/4/22
Don't think he's anywhere near our biggest concern.
posted on 2/4/22
Meslier has so many pluses, today he made a positional error for their goal but other than kept us in it, a couple of top drawer quality, and I mean quality, saves. Most of the goals he has conceded this year have been down to defensive errors and without him our gd would be horrendous. It's good to see his confidence isn't shot.
Give the lad a break. He will be up there.
As for Kris Klaesson, what exactly are you basing your assessment on, more than competent display last time out.
Dong you are so not a Leeds fan, pick, pick, pick.
posted on 2/4/22
Elsbels you era in cloud cuckoo land .Agood keeper is worth 10 or15 points.I know Meslier made some good saves but in my opinion he was just doing his job for which he is well paid I presume.he cost us 2 points today a point against Newcastle and his distribution is diabolical. I could go on but I’ll stop there .
posted on 2/4/22
Donny, cloud cuckoo land is where you live!..
We have a young keeper that has saved us more points then he's lost!..
But you being Mr negative that only has negative things to say about the team/club, owners and everything else, what does it matter?..
posted on 3/4/22
dong, is there a better keeper who is 22? for me, we have a real gem, not much better out there any age, he is outstanding & will get better & better........
your wums should be better than this lad come on you slacker
posted on 3/4/22
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
Have to admit, I'm less confident in him now. There are
a lot of good keepers out there (Navas/Steffen/Pope)
who we could potentially go after. In other words, Mes
is good and again he had his brilliant moments today,
but I no longer feel like he's the answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
really?
posted on 3/4/22
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 8 hours, 39 minutes ago
Elsbels you era in cloud cuckoo land .Agood keeper is worth 10 or15 points.I know Meslier made some good saves but in my opinion he was just doing his job for which he is well paid I presume.he cost us 2 points today a point against Newcastle and his distribution is diabolical. I could go on but I’ll stop there .
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...'he's made some good saves' ......wtf? he has been world class, oh dong, i don't wish anything on anyone, but are you blind?
posted on 3/4/22
I think we had such a run of keepers that seemed error prone that everyone maybe got a little bit carried away with meslier.
Fans seemed to overlook his mistakes over the last two years. Now it seems quite a few are questioning him.
My view is he’s a very good shot stopper, is positionally a bit hit and miss, has improved on crosses but, as others have said, his distribution is erratic. He’s been in a team that asks a lot if it’s keepers and it’s not an easy job.
For his age he’s an excellent keeper but he’s still really young.. and I’ve been surprised for 2 years that we haven’t gone with a more experienced keeper as back-up/competition for him… with klaessen being young and inexperienced.
The stats say mes has actually been one of the poorer keepers in the league this season but I don’t think you can read too much into expected saves stats etc.
Overall he’s done well and is still a great prospect but he’s not the finished article yet.
Any serous criticism at him is unfair, in my view but questioning the back up strategy is legitimate.
posted on 3/4/22
For those interested in such things:
https://the18.com/en/soccer-entertainment/epl-goalie-rankings-2020
posted on 3/4/22
You cannot coach natural ability and both boys have got that in spades, they will, with the right coaching improve all aspects of their game and will be quality. It's noticeable from Milky's stats that both Pickford and Foster are having a worse season than Meslier, just bringing in an experienced head is not the answer. Teams that struggle have keepers that struggle, Alisson, Ederson and Lloris would likely struggle behind the chaos at the heart of our defence. Keepers make mistakes like any other player, Mendy has some howlers in him. The more fragile a defence the more a keeper comes into play and the more their mistakes will be highlighted.
As I said, with the right coaching, both lads will improve. I wonder whether the kicking and positional errors are a coaching issue, why do we persist with an academic who was with Orta at MIddlesbrough as GK coach? Can you learn how to be a goalkeeping coach without ever having played the game?
posted on 3/4/22
All fair points Els. Experience doesn't automatically = better. And I wasn’t suggesting replacement of mes, more back up. My view is an older head can help off the pitch and be a calming influence on it… if required.
I’ve heard how beneficial young keepers feel having an experienced guy around the place can be… but we’ve entered this season with a keeping squad of teeny boppers.
Re the chaos in front of them - you can argue that an experienced keeper may organise a defence better, inspire confidence etc. It goes both ways but I certainly don’t think being a keeper under bielsa’s Leeds has ever been an easy gig.
posted on 3/4/22
To Meslier is a huge talent and we need to remember he came in as aback up and got an earlier than expected chance when Casilla got banned. We then signed him and you have a very young keeper with inexperience playing regularly in the PL. Add to that our attacking style and also the reliance on a keeper playing out and he's done superb really.
A keeper or his type will make mistakes especially at his age. Allison plays out and has that vibe. Though he's obviously class
What would help him is having an experienced back up. Imagine a Ben Fozter type as number 2. Someone who can support him and also come in to cover for him when he maybe needs a spell out of the team
posted on 3/4/22
It gets me how people always name older experienced keepers when bringing our lads down!..
It should be asked how old those named keepers were when they took their first team places, and then it should be asked have they gone through games without mistakes sinse then!..
Meslier is very young for a keeper but been praised by many in the game that know more then most around here!..
Ain't we lucky we have people in the know?..
So, Meslier has made mistakes, but we had Kiko before him, how many want Kiko back?..
posted on 3/4/22
Every keeper makes mistakes. Even the top sides have keepers who have made howlers. De Gea, Allison etc
posted on 3/4/22
Do I have to spell it out .The premier league is no place to be teaching a young keeper his trade .Owner slipped up badly in that regard .A more experienced keeper would instill confidence in his defence be a steadying influence etc etc which Meslier is not at the moment.
posted on 3/4/22
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Do I have to spell it out .The premier league is no place to be teaching a young keeper his trade .Owner slipped up badly in that regard .A more experienced keeper would instill confidence in his defence be a steadying influence etc etc which Meslier is not at the moment.
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Paul Robinson one of the better keepers for us played in the premier league as a 19 year old. You'd have binned him.
posted on 3/4/22
He wasn’t even at fault for that freekick, it was a great hit, by one of the prems best ever. His save in the first half has superb, get a grip
posted on 3/4/22
Crowd were getting on Illan's back he was delaying the distribution. That would suggest that other players were failing to make themselves available. He needs better support from his back line.
posted on 3/4/22
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 19 minutes ago
He wasn’t even at fault for that freekick, it was a great hit, by one of the prems best ever. His save in the first half has superb, get a grip
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lucy Ward's analysis is that he left too wide a gap, she didn't want to criticise as Ward-Prowse is prolific at scoring from a dead ball. You could see it was set up for Ward-Prowse.
Just a bit of balance, something Dong is incapable of.
posted on 3/4/22
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 19 minutes ago
He wasn’t even at fault for that freekick, it was a great hit, by one of the prems best ever. His save in the first half has superb, get a grip
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Lucy Ward's analysis is that he left too wide a gap, she didn't want to criticise as Ward-Prowse is prolific at scoring from a dead ball. You could see it was set up for Ward-Prowse.
Just a bit of balance, something Dong is incapable of.
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A coach who had actually played between the posts and wasn't just employed because he is Orta's mate might be working on positioning from dead balls.
posted on 3/4/22
Since we've been in the Prem, our defence has been shaky – this season I'd describe it p!ss poor – so it's no surprise Meslier has made a few mistakes under pressure. Apart from his shocking distribution, which has to be addressed, he's got amazing potential. Leeds fans have all too often used our goalies as scapegoats, but we'd be hard pressed to replace Meslier with anyone who'd prove better long-term.
posted on 3/4/22
just watched the french no.1 make complete howler dong
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