It's an over simplification to compare Conte's football with Jose and Nuno. Their attacking philosophy was almost defined by a lack of structure, Conte's football is as structures as it comes. I think we're a really good attacking side - even city and Liverpool have games where they struggle to break sides down. It's the reality of being a top team, you come up against a lot of wil drilled low blocks.
The football conte plays is far more progressive than either Mourinho and Nuno and if executed properly can be very attractive.
Pure conte ball is a possession based team with deadly ability on the counter. We arguably have the counter attack bit sorted, but when it comes to dominating the ball and breaking down teams we are found wanting, mainly due wingback being our weakest position, but one of the most, if not the most, important position in making the system work.
Contes lack of willingness to even tweak the system to accommodate our squad means that we will remain unpredictable until we get players who can play it properly.
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The run from Everton to Villa we've played some of the best stuff since Peak Poch. We looked superb.
The last two games have been as bad as Nuno/Jose. Obviously Brighton and Brentford's tactics worked very well, but it is strange just how quickly we went from a goals galore to not having a shot on target.
Clearly sitting deep neutralises some of Conte's tactics, however when we were playing well we passed around the back and managed to draw teams out.
I'm disappointed how stubborn he has been, IE the last couple of games at HT he should have changed it. However, Pep and Klopp had pretty average results in their first season. No doubt if Conte stays for a while and gets his players in he'll be successful, problem is his volatile nature means we'll be unlikely to get any more than 2 seasons out of him.
I mean, they could be, but it's too early to tell. Personally at this point I just think he hasn't got a huge amount of options he trusts with this Spurs team and we're seeing the result of that, not the beginning of some Mourinho style slide just yet.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I mean, they could be, but it's too early to tell. Personally at this point I just think he hasn't got a huge amount of options he trusts with this Spurs team and we're seeing the result of that, not the beginning of some Mourinho style slide just yet.
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I guess we're in a dilemma. Do we go all out and spend big this summer giving Conte the players he wants for his system, knowing he has never been a long term manager, leaving us with Conte players for a Conte style of play in a year or two's time when he has departed.
I don't think Conte players have to be that systemic specific
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posted 1 minute ago
I don't think Conte players have to be that systemic specific
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Maybe not, I mean good players are still good players under a different manager. But whoever comes after Conte will still want their own players for whatever direction they want to take the club in.
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 29 minutes ago
The football conte plays is far more progressive than either Mourinho and Nuno and if executed properly can be very attractive.
Pure conte ball is a possession based team with deadly ability on the counter. We arguably have the counter attack bit sorted, but when it comes to dominating the ball and breaking down teams we are found wanting, mainly due wingback being our weakest position, but one of the most, if not the most, important position in making the system work.
Contes lack of willingness to even tweak the system to accommodate our squad means that we will remain unpredictable until we get players who can play it properly.
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Spot on. He has stuck with plan A in the last two games and it has cost us 5 points.
Not sure why he is scared to try something else?
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
Luka
Thing is, bad performances and results would happen under literally any manager. I went to the Southampton game, it was fecking rubbish. But it wasn't the tactics that was our undoing. We weren't outplayed we just got done by not having proper defenders.
I'm not saying Conte is perfect or whatever but those 5-8 points are mythical. You never win all the games you should. Certainly we won't with the squad we have. It's too thin and just plain average in some areas.
You’re over performing under Conte so I wouldn’t say so.
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comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
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It's not that simple. city have only picked up one point against palace this season. You're not supposed to win every game against every team that you're supposed to beat.
Since Conte came in we're averaging just under 1.9 points per game - that would be 71 points over a 38 game season. Do you really think that we "should" be better than that right now, seeing as he hasn't had a pre season or a summer Transfer window yet?
In a way, you could view Conte-ball as a response to the more recent high press style which is viewed as the modern way of playing football.
In the last couple months we have shown that teams that aggressively press us really risk being hit by us on the counter. In many of our recent wins we also dominated possession.
I agree with some comments above that the style requires certain types of players and the lack of creativity centrally limits options to change an approach to or during a game.
In the last 2 games it seems negative but I just think with the current personnel there is not much we can do to change tactics against teams who are successfully stifling us.
I still have concerns that maybe he is just a bit too negative but overall i think a few new players could changed that all.
As for buying to fit Conte's system, the only worry i really think exists is at teh wingback/full back area. As we have seen from Doherty, a crap FB and a very decent wingback. Emerson is poor but more naturally a FB and rubbish going forward. Reggie hasnt made the change to RWB easily, seems a bit lost in what he is supposed to do. So we need wing backs for Conte and if he leaves we're left with players who may not best suit being a FB. Also, we may end up being overloaded with CBs if we need 4 or 5 for his system.
I would like to see Conte next season with a pre season and upgrades on the full backs.
Ill give give him the benefit of the doubt as teams that are learning a new system can be inconsistent.
Saying that these last 2 games were AVB level bad.
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posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 29 minutes ago
The football conte plays is far more progressive than either Mourinho and Nuno and if executed properly can be very attractive.
Pure conte ball is a possession based team with deadly ability on the counter. We arguably have the counter attack bit sorted, but when it comes to dominating the ball and breaking down teams we are found wanting, mainly due wingback being our weakest position, but one of the most, if not the most, important position in making the system work.
Contes lack of willingness to even tweak the system to accommodate our squad means that we will remain unpredictable until we get players who can play it properly.
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Spot on. He has stuck with plan A in the last two games and it has cost us 5 points.
Not sure why he is scared to try something else?
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because we lack the players.....
433 or 352? So you think Winks in the CM will improve us? As good as Skipp is, PEH, Skipp & Bentancor is not a creative trio.
Also Emerson isnt good enough and Doherty was starting to make a real impact. Reggie & Sess have been pretty poor. Sess was in good positions vs Brentford and did nothing with the ball. 433 = Davies at LB. Is that going to improve us.
Add Eriksen and another CM, get an upgrade on Lucas and someone at LCB who can use the ball like Romero does and then we are far more balanced and can also adapt.
Overall, our first XI isnt good enough and the moment we start changing it or making subs, the teams weakens.
I think he's being pragmatic at the moment and will be more flexible when we have better options....thats my hope anyway.
I don't think you can lean on those losses being isolated. They happened a fair few times. That's an issue, not something to be brushed aside. This is why xG is so important as it speaks so much about how right things are going even if you're not winning. Our xG over all those games we lost was poor, and our xG agaisnt was worryingly high. Even the 0-4 Villa win had them at a higher xG than us. We have the very best up front to put the chances away and more often than not, our shots on target aren't too far ahead of our actual goals. That to me means that we're not creating enough but when we do, we tend to put them away. That's down to Kane and Son. They're both covering over the cracks for me.
This is why what Graham Potter is doing at Brighton is nothing short of remarkable. If he had a better forward line than Maupay and Welbeck (when he's even fit), they would comfortably be fighting for Europe. They're xG has been off the charts for several seasons now and that's entirely down to Potter's methods, which, for me, are far more progressive than anything Conte has ever done. This is the first time, aside from Bari, Atalanta and Siena way before he was established, that he's managed a side without the very best players in his league. It shows. As much as people don't want to hear that he's similar to Jose in that regard, it's true. Yes he's won things but he's won things with the best squads in the leagues he's been at.
If Pochettino or Potter had the squads he's had, I've no doubt they'd have the same 'winning' reputation too.
I don't think his methods are necessarily outdated, it's just that they're clearly flawed when you don't have the best players. You could also argue that he's only got one method and even if the squad doesn't necessarily suit that system he plays it anyway. That's where it's an issue. The system relies on truly athletic, creative wingbacks and it's the weakest part of our squad, on both sides. What does that tell you? Wouldn't you look at finding another way? Maybe tweak it? When you're facing Brentford away in a game you realistically need to win, what on earth are we gaining from bringing Sanchez on when we need a goal. He moved Ben Davies to LWB and the obsession with the flanks continued with no success.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
Albert Einstein
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
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It's not that simple. city have only picked up one point against palace this season. You're not supposed to win every game against every team that you're supposed to beat.
Since Conte came in we're averaging just under 1.9 points per game - that would be 71 points over a 38 game season. Do you really think that we "should" be better than that right now, seeing as he hasn't had a pre season or a summer Transfer window yet?
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I fear that points average will dip over the final five games. It's already fallen I think?
comment by Christopher (U20930)
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
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It's not that simple. city have only picked up one point against palace this season. You're not supposed to win every game against every team that you're supposed to beat.
Since Conte came in we're averaging just under 1.9 points per game - that would be 71 points over a 38 game season. Do you really think that we "should" be better than that right now, seeing as he hasn't had a pre season or a summer Transfer window yet?
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Yes because in some of the games we have lost we have not even threatened and the performances have been awful. Due to tactics.
If Pochettino or Potter had the squads he's had, I've no doubt they'd have the same 'winning' reputation too.
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Such a lazy point. You don't think he was in the job on merit in the first place? Besides that, the reverse could be just as easily claimed as true. Potter and Poch wouldn't be able to do any better with these players.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 13 hours ago
Luka
Thing is, bad performances and results would happen under literally any manager. I went to the Southampton game, it was fecking rubbish. But it wasn't the tactics that was our undoing. We weren't outplayed we just got done by not having proper defenders.
I'm not saying Conte is perfect or whatever but those 5-8 points are mythical. You never win all the games you should. Certainly we won't with the squad we have. It's too thin and just plain average in some areas.
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Strange example to give v Southampton...id honestly say we were completely outplayed more than any other game this season. Southampton dominated the game and looked absolutely superb, haven't see a side come to Tottenham and dominate like that all season and possibly the season before.
Outdated? He won Serie A last season….
This is hilarious!
Our players are not very good! That is basically it...
Have you seen the quality and depth that he had at Inter and Chelsea?! Give him the same and then we can talk about methods.
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posted on 26/4/22
It's an over simplification to compare Conte's football with Jose and Nuno. Their attacking philosophy was almost defined by a lack of structure, Conte's football is as structures as it comes. I think we're a really good attacking side - even city and Liverpool have games where they struggle to break sides down. It's the reality of being a top team, you come up against a lot of wil drilled low blocks.
posted on 26/4/22
The football conte plays is far more progressive than either Mourinho and Nuno and if executed properly can be very attractive.
Pure conte ball is a possession based team with deadly ability on the counter. We arguably have the counter attack bit sorted, but when it comes to dominating the ball and breaking down teams we are found wanting, mainly due wingback being our weakest position, but one of the most, if not the most, important position in making the system work.
Contes lack of willingness to even tweak the system to accommodate our squad means that we will remain unpredictable until we get players who can play it properly.
posted on 26/4/22
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posted on 26/4/22
The run from Everton to Villa we've played some of the best stuff since Peak Poch. We looked superb.
The last two games have been as bad as Nuno/Jose. Obviously Brighton and Brentford's tactics worked very well, but it is strange just how quickly we went from a goals galore to not having a shot on target.
Clearly sitting deep neutralises some of Conte's tactics, however when we were playing well we passed around the back and managed to draw teams out.
I'm disappointed how stubborn he has been, IE the last couple of games at HT he should have changed it. However, Pep and Klopp had pretty average results in their first season. No doubt if Conte stays for a while and gets his players in he'll be successful, problem is his volatile nature means we'll be unlikely to get any more than 2 seasons out of him.
posted on 26/4/22
I mean, they could be, but it's too early to tell. Personally at this point I just think he hasn't got a huge amount of options he trusts with this Spurs team and we're seeing the result of that, not the beginning of some Mourinho style slide just yet.
posted on 26/4/22
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 3 minutes ago
I mean, they could be, but it's too early to tell. Personally at this point I just think he hasn't got a huge amount of options he trusts with this Spurs team and we're seeing the result of that, not the beginning of some Mourinho style slide just yet.
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I guess we're in a dilemma. Do we go all out and spend big this summer giving Conte the players he wants for his system, knowing he has never been a long term manager, leaving us with Conte players for a Conte style of play in a year or two's time when he has departed.
posted on 26/4/22
I don't think Conte players have to be that systemic specific
posted on 26/4/22
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think Conte players have to be that systemic specific
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Maybe not, I mean good players are still good players under a different manager. But whoever comes after Conte will still want their own players for whatever direction they want to take the club in.
posted on 26/4/22
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 29 minutes ago
The football conte plays is far more progressive than either Mourinho and Nuno and if executed properly can be very attractive.
Pure conte ball is a possession based team with deadly ability on the counter. We arguably have the counter attack bit sorted, but when it comes to dominating the ball and breaking down teams we are found wanting, mainly due wingback being our weakest position, but one of the most, if not the most, important position in making the system work.
Contes lack of willingness to even tweak the system to accommodate our squad means that we will remain unpredictable until we get players who can play it properly.
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Spot on. He has stuck with plan A in the last two games and it has cost us 5 points.
Not sure why he is scared to try something else?
posted on 26/4/22
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
posted on 26/4/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
posted on 26/4/22
Luka
Thing is, bad performances and results would happen under literally any manager. I went to the Southampton game, it was fecking rubbish. But it wasn't the tactics that was our undoing. We weren't outplayed we just got done by not having proper defenders.
I'm not saying Conte is perfect or whatever but those 5-8 points are mythical. You never win all the games you should. Certainly we won't with the squad we have. It's too thin and just plain average in some areas.
posted on 26/4/22
You’re over performing under Conte so I wouldn’t say so.
posted on 26/4/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
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It's not that simple. city have only picked up one point against palace this season. You're not supposed to win every game against every team that you're supposed to beat.
Since Conte came in we're averaging just under 1.9 points per game - that would be 71 points over a 38 game season. Do you really think that we "should" be better than that right now, seeing as he hasn't had a pre season or a summer Transfer window yet?
posted on 26/4/22
In a way, you could view Conte-ball as a response to the more recent high press style which is viewed as the modern way of playing football.
In the last couple months we have shown that teams that aggressively press us really risk being hit by us on the counter. In many of our recent wins we also dominated possession.
I agree with some comments above that the style requires certain types of players and the lack of creativity centrally limits options to change an approach to or during a game.
In the last 2 games it seems negative but I just think with the current personnel there is not much we can do to change tactics against teams who are successfully stifling us.
I still have concerns that maybe he is just a bit too negative but overall i think a few new players could changed that all.
As for buying to fit Conte's system, the only worry i really think exists is at teh wingback/full back area. As we have seen from Doherty, a crap FB and a very decent wingback. Emerson is poor but more naturally a FB and rubbish going forward. Reggie hasnt made the change to RWB easily, seems a bit lost in what he is supposed to do. So we need wing backs for Conte and if he leaves we're left with players who may not best suit being a FB. Also, we may end up being overloaded with CBs if we need 4 or 5 for his system.
posted on 26/4/22
I would like to see Conte next season with a pre season and upgrades on the full backs.
Ill give give him the benefit of the doubt as teams that are learning a new system can be inconsistent.
Saying that these last 2 games were AVB level bad.
posted on 26/4/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 29 minutes ago
The football conte plays is far more progressive than either Mourinho and Nuno and if executed properly can be very attractive.
Pure conte ball is a possession based team with deadly ability on the counter. We arguably have the counter attack bit sorted, but when it comes to dominating the ball and breaking down teams we are found wanting, mainly due wingback being our weakest position, but one of the most, if not the most, important position in making the system work.
Contes lack of willingness to even tweak the system to accommodate our squad means that we will remain unpredictable until we get players who can play it properly.
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Spot on. He has stuck with plan A in the last two games and it has cost us 5 points.
Not sure why he is scared to try something else?
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because we lack the players.....
433 or 352? So you think Winks in the CM will improve us? As good as Skipp is, PEH, Skipp & Bentancor is not a creative trio.
Also Emerson isnt good enough and Doherty was starting to make a real impact. Reggie & Sess have been pretty poor. Sess was in good positions vs Brentford and did nothing with the ball. 433 = Davies at LB. Is that going to improve us.
Add Eriksen and another CM, get an upgrade on Lucas and someone at LCB who can use the ball like Romero does and then we are far more balanced and can also adapt.
Overall, our first XI isnt good enough and the moment we start changing it or making subs, the teams weakens.
I think he's being pragmatic at the moment and will be more flexible when we have better options....thats my hope anyway.
posted on 26/4/22
I don't think you can lean on those losses being isolated. They happened a fair few times. That's an issue, not something to be brushed aside. This is why xG is so important as it speaks so much about how right things are going even if you're not winning. Our xG over all those games we lost was poor, and our xG agaisnt was worryingly high. Even the 0-4 Villa win had them at a higher xG than us. We have the very best up front to put the chances away and more often than not, our shots on target aren't too far ahead of our actual goals. That to me means that we're not creating enough but when we do, we tend to put them away. That's down to Kane and Son. They're both covering over the cracks for me.
This is why what Graham Potter is doing at Brighton is nothing short of remarkable. If he had a better forward line than Maupay and Welbeck (when he's even fit), they would comfortably be fighting for Europe. They're xG has been off the charts for several seasons now and that's entirely down to Potter's methods, which, for me, are far more progressive than anything Conte has ever done. This is the first time, aside from Bari, Atalanta and Siena way before he was established, that he's managed a side without the very best players in his league. It shows. As much as people don't want to hear that he's similar to Jose in that regard, it's true. Yes he's won things but he's won things with the best squads in the leagues he's been at.
If Pochettino or Potter had the squads he's had, I've no doubt they'd have the same 'winning' reputation too.
I don't think his methods are necessarily outdated, it's just that they're clearly flawed when you don't have the best players. You could also argue that he's only got one method and even if the squad doesn't necessarily suit that system he plays it anyway. That's where it's an issue. The system relies on truly athletic, creative wingbacks and it's the weakest part of our squad, on both sides. What does that tell you? Wouldn't you look at finding another way? Maybe tweak it? When you're facing Brentford away in a game you realistically need to win, what on earth are we gaining from bringing Sanchez on when we need a goal. He moved Ben Davies to LWB and the obsession with the flanks continued with no success.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
Albert Einstein
posted on 26/4/22
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
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It's not that simple. city have only picked up one point against palace this season. You're not supposed to win every game against every team that you're supposed to beat.
Since Conte came in we're averaging just under 1.9 points per game - that would be 71 points over a 38 game season. Do you really think that we "should" be better than that right now, seeing as he hasn't had a pre season or a summer Transfer window yet?
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I fear that points average will dip over the final five games. It's already fallen I think?
posted on 26/4/22
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking at our midfield we don't really have the players to play possession-based football even if we wanted to. Plus Son is so lethal on the break it'd blunt him to an extent if we camped in the opposition's half.
I don't think it's helpful to try and second guess Conte really, he clearly knows what he's doing. Comparisons to Nuno and Mourinho are silly. We're about where we should be with this group of players.
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I disagree. We should be at least 5-8 points better off. We haven't managed to test the oppo keeper in the last two games then take into account the poor performances and results against Burnley, Southampton and Wolves.
Feels like there is a tide of blind optimism being placed with Conte because of his CV. To be outplayed by Potter, Frank, Dyche, Larg and Hasenhuttl convincingly highlights the OP's right to question the longevity of Conte's tactics.
People will point to the wins against City but we were dominated in possession in both games. The performance against Liverpool was not as good as some made out. They had just as many easy chances as us.
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It's not that simple. city have only picked up one point against palace this season. You're not supposed to win every game against every team that you're supposed to beat.
Since Conte came in we're averaging just under 1.9 points per game - that would be 71 points over a 38 game season. Do you really think that we "should" be better than that right now, seeing as he hasn't had a pre season or a summer Transfer window yet?
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Yes because in some of the games we have lost we have not even threatened and the performances have been awful. Due to tactics.
posted on 26/4/22
ENIC out.
posted on 26/4/22
If Pochettino or Potter had the squads he's had, I've no doubt they'd have the same 'winning' reputation too.
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Such a lazy point. You don't think he was in the job on merit in the first place? Besides that, the reverse could be just as easily claimed as true. Potter and Poch wouldn't be able to do any better with these players.
posted on 27/4/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 13 hours ago
Luka
Thing is, bad performances and results would happen under literally any manager. I went to the Southampton game, it was fecking rubbish. But it wasn't the tactics that was our undoing. We weren't outplayed we just got done by not having proper defenders.
I'm not saying Conte is perfect or whatever but those 5-8 points are mythical. You never win all the games you should. Certainly we won't with the squad we have. It's too thin and just plain average in some areas.
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Strange example to give v Southampton...id honestly say we were completely outplayed more than any other game this season. Southampton dominated the game and looked absolutely superb, haven't see a side come to Tottenham and dominate like that all season and possibly the season before.
posted on 27/4/22
Outdated? He won Serie A last season….
posted on 27/4/22
This is hilarious!
Our players are not very good! That is basically it...
Have you seen the quality and depth that he had at Inter and Chelsea?! Give him the same and then we can talk about methods.
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