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posted on 14/5/22

He took over a team who had just lost 0-4 to spurs. An xg of 1.90 v 2.47. Missed chances aplenty versus clinical world class attackers on the opposition side.

His first game we completely dominated Leicester
Xg 0.36 to leeds 2.14 and we somehow managed to lose. Arguably that was his only decent performance in charge of leeds as we have got worse and worse under him.
Fluked a win against Norwich when his terrible substitutions almost cost us 2 points.
Fluked a win at Wolves when jiminez was shown red.
Poor at home to Southampton.
Scraped a point at palace.

We look no better defensively
We look far far worse offensively to the point where we don’t look like scoring
We can’t pass anymore mainly because Players don’t want the ball.
Discipline is now the pits

Yes it wasn’t great when he took over but it’s worse now. I wouldn’t have labelled It a sh1tshow back then but I would now. You talk about square pegs - He is the one playing Raphinha at right back, Favoring struijk over Firpo, playing James as a striker, and finishing with Koch on the right wing.

He was the one who injured Bamford - maybe he would have been back a couple of weeks ago had he any understanding of player welfare.

He has 2 games to save the season and for me save his job. 2 decent performances required with some evidence of an actual gameplan.





comment by tslufc (U12903)

posted on 14/5/22

Had to be said. He had a lucky run of results early doors but we look a much worse outfit overall. A goal even seems like a distant dream just now.

posted on 15/5/22

I’m confused Kebab….
Aren’t you usually upbeat and not into being critical of JM? The mindset of give him a chance? That comment seems contrary to that.

posted on 15/5/22

20 goals shipped in one month. That has a manager sacked from any club since always. What is more, in all of those games the opposition missed a shedload of other chances in addition.

It’s no good opening up the field of play so that we created more opportunities to score une Bielsa (yet even then still not hitting the target) while conceding 4,5,6,7 at the other end.

At least under Marsch the defence began to improve., giving us a chance to win games.

Regarding when there are sending offs…..Both Chelsea and Arsenal took advantage of playing against us with only 10 men. Well, we did we against Wolves. I truly don’t call that a fluke.

Now here’s the deal for me. The players look dead in their feet. I truly hope we survive and the players get a proper physical and mental rest whatever this Summer. Many looked utterly exhausted from the moment they took to the field at Old Trafford last August.

For now, the rollercoaster has stopped just yet….not the fat lady sung her first note….

posted on 15/5/22

comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 41 minutes ago
He took over a team who had just lost 0-4 to spurs. An xg of 1.90 v 2.47. Missed chances aplenty versus clinical world class attackers on the opposition side.

His first game we completely dominated Leicester
Xg 0.36 to leeds 2.14 and we somehow managed to lose. Arguably that was his only decent performance in charge of leeds as we have got worse and worse under him.
Fluked a win against Norwich when his terrible substitutions almost cost us 2 points.
Fluked a win at Wolves when jiminez was shown red.
Poor at home to Southampton.
Scraped a point at palace.

We look no better defensively
We look far far worse offensively to the point where we don’t look like scoring
We can’t pass anymore mainly because Players don’t want the ball.
Discipline is now the pits

Yes it wasn’t great when he took over but it’s worse now. I wouldn’t have labelled It a sh1tshow back then but I would now. You talk about square pegs - He is the one playing Raphinha at right back, Favoring struijk over Firpo, playing James as a striker, and finishing with Koch on the right wing.

He was the one who injured Bamford - maybe he would have been back a couple of weeks ago had he any understanding of player welfare.

He has 2 games to save the season and for me save his job. 2 decent performances required with some evidence of an actual gameplan.






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ffs he had to try something different cos what we were doing was obviously not working

posted on 15/5/22

Kebab, he took over a sh*t show and it’s a different kind of sh*t show now. That spurs side had just been outplayed at Burnley. Marsch did improve us defensively initially - our xg against improved. And even with 10 men against two of the better attacking sides in the league it wasn’t terrible. We are worse with the ball no question. The players can’t/haven’t adapted to the narrow formation and are struggling to find an outball. They also can’t pass water and make the passes when they are on… which has been a problem all season

As for players out of position and injuries - you can make an argument he’s having to play the hand he was dealt there.

Brighton are a good side and would be much higher up the table if they had reliable goal scorers. Unfortunately they’ve now remembered where the net is, so it’s a very difficult game against a side that outplayed us 3 times against bielsa.

We’ll need some luck, probably lots of it.

posted on 15/5/22

The team needed strengthening in the summer and wasn't. They got injuries under Bielsa's regime and lacked the depth to deal with it. They didn't do anything in January to try to rectify the situation. All this before JM came, so looking for a scapegoat in JM when the blame lies elsewhere is avoiding the truth. If he's the right mand for the job is another matter, but anyone coming in to sort out this poor side that punched above it's weight last season would have been in the same boat. Give the man some slack and look for the blame on people before he came.

posted on 15/5/22

comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 5 minutes ago
The team needed strengthening in the summer and wasn't. They got injuries under Bielsa's regime and lacked the depth to deal with it. They didn't do anything in January to try to rectify the situation. All this before JM came, so looking for a scapegoat in JM when the blame lies elsewhere is avoiding the truth. If he's the right mand for the job is another matter, but anyone coming in to sort out this poor side that punched above it's weight last season would have been in the same boat. Give the man some slack and look for the blame on people before he came.
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Spot on

posted on 15/5/22

I would cut him some slack, but he does talk a load of $hite.

posted on 15/5/22

JM has shown nothing to make me think we've improved or our chances of winning are better. Don't like his style probably never will but I won't be screaming for head. Our problems stem from further up the ladder.
Imo we would have been better off with leaving the chore of survival to the man who got us here.
Our board has ruined what we waited two decades for

posted on 15/5/22

I think that saying it's not Marsch's fault because he inherited a mess is missing the point.

The reason Bielsa was sacked and Marsch brought in was because the owners and presumably Marsch himself thought they could do better with the resources available.

All I see is worse. A bad call to get rid of MB.

posted on 15/5/22

Thing is, what we are seeing isn’t really his style - he has a rep for trying to outscore the opposition.

His Salzburg side lost 4-3 to Liverpool. His Leipzig side 6-3 to city. I don’t think the football we’re seeing is what he wants. I sure hope not! He’s just trying to keep us up with what resources are available to him.

posted on 15/5/22

comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
Thing is, what we are seeing isn’t really his style - he has a rep for trying to outscore the opposition.

His Salzburg side lost 4-3 to Liverpool. His Leipzig side 6-3 to city. I don’t think the football we’re seeing is what he wants. I sure hope not! He’s just trying to keep us up with what resources are available to him.


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Good perspective Milky.

posted on 15/5/22

comment by infiniteone (U9982)
posted 17 hours, 17 minutes ago
I’m confused Kebab….
Aren’t you usually upbeat and not into being critical of JM? The mindset of give him a chance? That comment seems contrary to that.
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You got the wrong guy.

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