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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 39 seconds ago
Nobody should be forced to act in ways they don’t believe. That is dictatorship and doesn’t allow free thinking.
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1939 dilemma. Do we stop Hitler from acting in the way he believes, or would stopping him risk Germany becoming too much of a dictatorship? Should be fine. Crack on Adolf.

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Nolhman, could you answer my question about whether I should be allowed to kiss my boyfriend in Saudi Arabia? Who is it harming? Do I need to respect the country's cultural views or not?

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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
The key word is acting. Hitler was forcing his beliefs and using them to create hate. Very different. Then of course such ideas have to be challenged. However someone who doesn’t mention or publicise his or her beliefs is not the same. Otherwise you will get people simply lying in fear of punishment and becoming resentful angry and closer to becoming extremist
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As usual you are contradicting yourself so much and can't even see it.

comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
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comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tolerance is discriminatory against the intolerant. We need to be more tolerant of the intolerant, as it is their right to believe that others shouldn't believe what they want.
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Wait both sides are arguing that people shouldn't believe what they want. But are also arguing that people should be allowed to believe what they want. As long as it's the right belief. I am confused, mentally and sexually.
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That was yourself that you replied to mate.
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Brilliant stuff🥺

Ardal O'Hanlon could play you in the ja606 movie.

comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 58 minutes ago
People have the right to believe what they want and they don’t have to act in the way that others with different views have to. Guaye made a choice that is his right. He doesn’t have to have different views imposed on him.
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I see you haven’t replied to Dyron, just so he get your stands are you pro or anti bumming?
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You would love the Scottish boards, buddy🤣👍

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 5 minutes ago
I guarantee you if you make people act in certain ways you will make said people very resentful and more willing to go to extreme lengths. Ideas and Beliefs evolve but if you want to harden those beliefs, punishing them and making them feel victimised is a quick way to do it.
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mmmmmmmm harden

comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 5 minutes ago
I guarantee you if you make people act in certain ways you will make said people very resentful and more willing to go to extreme lengths. Ideas and Beliefs evolve but if you want to harden those beliefs, punishing them and making them feel victimised is a quick way to do it.
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mmmmmmmm harden
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Also are you saying that stopping gaays from acting in the way they believe (being gay and bumming and such) will lead to gay extremists? Or only stopping people who are anti gay would lead to that? Gueye literally believes that people should not be allowed to be gay...

A gay extremist would be interesting though. Break into a mosque or whatever and just start grinding folk.

comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 58 minutes ago
People have the right to believe what they want and they don’t have to act in the way that others with different views have to. Guaye made a choice that is his right. He doesn’t have to have different views imposed on him.
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I see you haven’t replied to Dyron, just so he get your stands are you pro or anti bumming?
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You would love the Scottish boards, buddy🤣👍
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I’ve occasionally visited, been drawn in by some hilarious threads like chimp vs Bruce lee on there

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago

You are guilty of polarising things. He has chosen not to wear these rainbow numbers etc and then you refer indirectly to being marginalised by bigots.

How do you know how he would react to a gay person joining PSG, would he welcome them, treat them as absolute equal etc or would he marginalise them, be antagonistic and discriminate?

You dont know because the only statement he has made is to not wear the shirt, he has not come out and said they are not welcome and he hates them.


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I ask again: would you feel the same way if a player who had a profound conviction that god had created white-skinned people as masters of the world refused to play because his team's kit bore an anti-racist message?
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If that is what is in his head then fine.

If he's preaching it then bad.

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I'm curious where you would draw the line (and whether you draw the line if it's a matter of personal beliefs:

What if a Spurs player requests his name is excluded from a club statement saying 'people of all races are welcome at this football club'?

What if the Spurs player refuses to wear the shirt with a 'respect fans of all races' message? Is that okay on the basis that it's a kind of abstentious expression of racism in a way that wearing a swastika arm-band would not?

How about James McLean refusing to wear a poppy? Or booing during a minute's silence?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago

You are guilty of polarising things. He has chosen not to wear these rainbow numbers etc and then you refer indirectly to being marginalised by bigots.

How do you know how he would react to a gay person joining PSG, would he welcome them, treat them as absolute equal etc or would he marginalise them, be antagonistic and discriminate?

You dont know because the only statement he has made is to not wear the shirt, he has not come out and said they are not welcome and he hates them.


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I ask again: would you feel the same way if a player who had a profound conviction that god had created white-skinned people as masters of the world refused to play because his team's kit bore an anti-racist message?
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If that is what is in his head then fine.

If he's preaching it then bad.

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I'm curious where you would draw the line (and whether you draw the line if it's a matter of personal beliefs:

What if a Spurs player requests his name is excluded from a club statement saying 'people of all races are welcome at this football club'?

What if the Spurs player refuses to wear the shirt with a 'respect fans of all races' message? Is that okay on the basis that it's a kind of abstentious expression of racism in a way that wearing a swastika arm-band would not?
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What if next season a Newcastle player refuses to wear their third kit—which is an imitation of the Saudi team's kit?

No room for personal beliefs anymore it seems, everyone has to fall in line with the corporate order (the new organised religion).

It’s a bit stupid to assume that someone that holds certain beliefs are unspoken. It’s through interaction that people come to hold certain beliefs.

However, if we were to indulge this claim it would only be through these beliefs being seen as so heinous by society that they felt the need to not repeat them.

Which begs the question: do you think heinous beliefs should be allowed to be held because of free thought and respect to someone’s belief.

The defence that it causes no harm to hold a belief unless it is acted upon is a terrible argument, because by allowing certain beliefs to be held and respected it gives it license to disseminate which makes actions inevitable.

They should make them wear a strip made from the skin of the people they have murdered. Would be a better reflection of what the club now stands for. But nah let's distract everyone with someone not taking the knee or wearing rainbows. Meanwhile murder. LOOK OVER THERE HE ISN'T WEARING A POPPY. *Slits throat of gay*

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comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago
Twitter is full of intolerant Africans. And they have the worst opinions on football. Racism will never go away as long as we have Africans.
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Yeah its their fault people are racist.
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I think you missed his jist.😉


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*Gist.

And No, I didn't.

Nolhman, have you ever read a book?

comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago
Twitter is full of intolerant Africans. And they have the worst opinions on football. Racism will never go away as long as we have Africans.
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Yeah its their fault people are racist.
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I think you missed his jist.😉


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*Gist.

And No, I didn't.
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You did

What if next season a Newcastle player refuses to wear their third kit—which is an imitation of the Saudi team's kit?

No room for personal beliefs anymore it seems, everyone has to fall in line with the corporate order (the new organised religion).

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No problem with personal beliefs being shared and I'd applaud any Newcastle player who spoke out against e.g. the extrajudicial murder of Khashoggi and the hypocrisy of the footballing administrators who one minute talk about inclusivity and the next allow our institutions to be bought by a regime that executes gay people. I do have a problem with the expression of personal beliefs if the upshot of that speech is contributing to a culture where minority groups feel they can't participate in the world of football.

This isn't inconsistency. It's the paradox of tolerance: sometimes you need to be intolerance of intolerance.

comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago
Twitter is full of intolerant Africans. And they have the worst opinions on football. Racism will never go away as long as we have Africans.
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Yeah its their fault people are racist.
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I think you missed his jist.😉


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*Gist.

And No, I didn't.
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You did
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I didn't.

This isn't inconsistency. It's the paradox of tolerance: sometimes you need to be intolerance of intolerance.
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