I don’t think how much we paid for Silva is relevant at all. I don’t care whether he cost £5m or £50m what matters is whether he can do a job for Wolves and I think if we stick with him, like we didn’t with Vitinha and Goncalves, he will prove to be a good centre forward. Ludicrous after developing him for two years to let him go on loan just when he was winning most fans over

Agree that it’s so sad for Chiquinho who looked promising and exciting from the word go. Do hope we eventually get to see him fulfil his potential

Ryan Giles evidently impressing for Middlesbrough in their pre season games. He’s been unlucky not to get more chances with wolves

comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 19 minutes ago
I don’t think how much we paid for Silva is relevant at all. I don’t care whether he cost £5m or £50m what matters is whether he can do a job for Wolves and I think if we stick with him, like we didn’t with Vitinha and Goncalves, he will prove to be a good centre forward. Ludicrous after developing him for two years to let him go on loan just when he was winning most fans over
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It is very relevant. That signing stopped us making other more needed improvements and that has now seen us slip down the table the last two seasons.

It’s totally relevant, we could have had two first team players already to go for that sort of money instead of a maybe one sometime in the future.
Also he is apparently one of our highest earners so again a total waste of money.
I don’t have an agenda against Silva in the slightest, the problem falls squarely at the door of the club.
The management ( not Bruno) has not got a clue how to run a football club, they are business men who look for a profit in all the time, not for the benefit of the club.

I understand you say, but making a profit must be good for the club
I am missing Nuno, someone who seemed to genuinely get the club and the area and the supporters, not a criticism of Bruno by the way

comment by bostonwolf (U17353)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It’s totally relevant, we could have had two first team players already to go for that sort of money instead of a maybe one sometime in the future.
Also he is apparently one of our highest earners so again a total waste of money.
I don’t have an agenda against Silva in the slightest, the problem falls squarely at the door of the club.
The management ( not Bruno) has not got a clue how to run a football club, they are business men who look for a profit in all the time, not for the benefit of the club.
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Not sure how many contradictions are in that post. You constantly refer to the fee when discussing Fabio, making it a burden for him. He is a promising player and we should be encouraging him not slating him because the club paid £35m. We should assess him as Fabio the 19 year old player not Fabio who cost £35m

Then after saying we shouldn’t have paid that much money for him you say the club are only in the game to make money. So you are saying that spending £35m on him was purely to make money? It’s nonsense

It's also nonsense to claim the fee is irrelevant to be fair.

I think its irrelevant when assessing the player.

I don't rate Moutinho because we got him for £5m, I rate him because he has done a great job for the club.

I don't rate Fabio as a poor prospect because he cost £35m, I rate him as a good prospect because of what I have seen from him on the pitch

comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 1 minute ago
I think its irrelevant when assessing the player.

I don't rate Moutinho because we got him for £5m, I rate him because he has done a great job for the club.

I don't rate Fabio as a poor prospect because he cost £35m, I rate him as a good prospect because of what I have seen from him on the pitch
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They are arguing whether it was a good deal for the club though at the time and whether it hampered the clubs progress. Not whether he is a good prospect.

You're moving the goalposts.

comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by bostonwolf (U17353)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
It’s totally relevant, we could have had two first team players already to go for that sort of money instead of a maybe one sometime in the future.
Also he is apparently one of our highest earners so again a total waste of money.
I don’t have an agenda against Silva in the slightest, the problem falls squarely at the door of the club.
The management ( not Bruno) has not got a clue how to run a football club, they are business men who look for a profit in all the time, not for the benefit of the club.
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Not sure how many contradictions are in that post. You constantly refer to the fee when discussing Fabio, making it a burden for him. He is a promising player and we should be encouraging him not slating him because the club paid £35m. We should assess him as Fabio the 19 year old player not Fabio who cost £35m

Then after saying we shouldn’t have paid that much money for him you say the club are only in the game to make money. So you are saying that spending £35m on him was purely to make money? It’s nonsense
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Here we go again, DJ twisting what I posted to suit his own agenda.
Nowhere did I say they paid all that money in he hope they would make money.
How does anything I say about the fee make " a burden for Fabio".
I'm sure he does not read anything I say or post.
If you read my post properly you would see that I don't blame Fabio, I totally blamed the club.
My opinion of him as a player is irrelevant to the point I was making.
Please read properly before you come back with remarks that are about things that are not there.

they are business men who look for a profit in all the time, not for the benefit of the club.

There was me thinking that spending £35m on a player was relevant to that comment you made. Evidently you are saying they appear to be looking to be making a profit all the time except then?

Not at all sure how Fosun looking for a profit is not for the benefit of the club. Profits on player sales go into the club. As investors the main drive of Fosun is to increase the value of the club. The only way the value of the club will increase is if it is successful. Making a few bob on selling a player is chicken feed compared to how much the value of the club would go down if we started to struggle or got relegated.

They know they dropped a huge booby paying that money for Fabio. Yes they thought that they were being cleaver but it has backfired spectacularly,
We know that Fosun has a debt of £40 billion so you are telling me that making a club successful is not to buy players for a few transfer windows and reduce the squad to paper thin and hope that somehow we will make a profit.
You are right with the last sentence and unless we do something, that is the way we are heading.

I still feel like it's a slight red herring that the club needs to be successful for Fosun to make money. I think they won't want to lose the value of their asset by it dropping to the Championship but other than that I don't see that Premier league placing is really relevant to them - it's a multibillion pound organisation, the few extra million we get for an fa cup semi final or a few extra places or whatever is chicken feed, and realistically they're not going to grow the club so substantially it's worth hundreds of millions more. That's extremely difficult to do and, realistically, they're showing us that's not their aim through a lack of investment in the team and infrastructure.

I increasingly think the value of Wolves to Fosun is owning a brand that's quite attractive in China/Asia. And the football team is neither here nor there - they just need to own the brand name and logo for their other investments such as e sports which really does have the potential to make them bank.

Always listen to what people tell you - Shi isn't lying or freelancing by acting as though esports is his main job and interest. And the club have got rid of people, such as Dalrymple and Thelwell, who saw fans of the football club, the team, the stadium, relationships with the city etc as a key part of their role.

I think one of the factors some are missing, is that at the time we bought Fabio, Fosun we not that concerned about spending money. The purse strings have tightened somewhat and now they're in the business of having to sell in order to bring in new players. That's why I don't see us getting many players in during this window, unless we sell a few.

We are all legacy fans.

I agree with a lot of that 17339. Certainly getting shot of Dalrymple and Thelwell and not replacing them wasn’t in the best interest of the club in my opinion.

The Fosun investment has already reaped handsome returns as the club is worth far more now than when they bought it as a championship club. Retaining a position close to European qualification would hold that value. But if we got relegated or even successfully survived a relegation battle would make us a less attract proposition and reduce the value.

The other question as you rightly put is whether the club value can increase further. A couple of years more in the Europa league or Conference May we’ll do that. But Fosun were naive when they arrived thinking a ten year plan could make us a champions league club which would increase the value considerably.

Be good to know what their plans now really are. If they’re not going to invest in the ground or the team then the value of the club will remain at a similar level at best. So as you put, are they just in it for street cred in Shanghai

comment by (U17339)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
I still feel like it's a slight red herring that the club needs to be successful for Fosun to make money. I think they won't want to lose the value of their asset by it dropping to the Championship but other than that I don't see that Premier league placing is really relevant to them - it's a multibillion pound organisation, the few extra million we get for an fa cup semi final or a few extra places or whatever is chicken feed, and realistically they're not going to grow the club so substantially it's worth hundreds of millions more. That's extremely difficult to do and, realistically, they're showing us that's not their aim through a lack of investment in the team and infrastructure.

I increasingly think the value of Wolves to Fosun is owning a brand that's quite attractive in China/Asia. And the football team is neither here nor there - they just need to own the brand name and logo for their other investments such as e sports which really does have the potential to make them bank.

Always listen to what people tell you - Shi isn't lying or freelancing by acting as though esports is his main job and interest. And the club have got rid of people, such as Dalrymple and Thelwell, who saw fans of the football club, the team, the stadium, relationships with the city etc as a key part of their role.
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I think your middle paragraph is spot on. Rumours last season that Hwang was more about marketing

Let's not also forget Hayao Kawabe, our 26 year old Japanese star and Jeong Sang-bin our 20 year old South Korean star, both at Grasshopper until 30 June 2023. Hardly likely to feature for us, but probably more to do with marketing.

Just posted on E&S:-

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2022/07/11/wolves-have-no-desire-to-sell-morgan-gibbs-white-after-rejecting-20m-everton-bid/

http://sportwitness.co.uk/wolves-said-agreement-sign-south-american-youngster-least-verbal-deal-claimed-agreed/

Didn't Matthew Hobbs, our chief scout go to South America last month? Plus, Wolves' technical director Scott Sellars has stated that he's keen to explore the South American market.

Dario Osario has been mention a few times on MolMix the last few weeks.

There are rumours there are two coming in from South America.

I would be disappointed if we sold MGW,, with all the effort put in . It’s been said that £30 mill would buy him.
If that were to happen then it will be a sign that Fosun has no interest in improving the team

John Percy has spoken, Wolves are in advanced talks to bring Nathan Collins to Molineux from Burnley so he claims and he doesnt usually get it wrong. £20.5m.

Wonder if he played against us on Saturday? Not the best endorsement of so. Cant say I know much about him to be honest.