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posted on 6/6/22

Don't understand why people feel safer with guns in their homes, with less guns life would be safer!..

My Brother lives in Florida, last time,(a while ago!)I saw him was at my 50th that I spent in England, he said he has a Colt 45 under his pillow, anyone enters his garden without his permission he has the right to shoot them!..

WTF!..

I suppose the postman feels safer knowing most have their post boxes outside their gardens!..

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Real Estate - Podemos ser Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 16 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Real Estate - Podemos ser Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 15 hours, 58 minutes ago
This is not the way I expected this thread to go. Guns are bad. America should get rid of them. Especially assault weapons. If you're the sort of person that says it's the person not the gun then you need mentally checking. People can have opinions that don't deserve respect. My brother's favourite Leeds player is Darren O'Dea, for instance.

I don't want us to sign Che Adams.
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Well, Lubo, I am that “type of person”, yet, no I don’t “need mentally checking”. In fact, I’m perfectly, sane and rational, and moreover able to construct and defend an argument, and not just make vapid assertions. Also, I don’t engage in unnecessary bigoted slating or ad hominem attacks. They’re not necessary, least of all in here! The same concept applies to cars and the deaths which involve them; most often, it is not the car which is the problem but the person who drives it. The same rational applies to guns. Used appropriately, there is no issue. Nobody makes another person carry a gun. It is a personal choice, and personal choice is healthy for any cohesive society. If you feel strongly, bring your argument and personal experiences to back it.

Why don’t you want Che Adams?


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Sorry Real but car use and gun use is a spurious comparison - one is a mode of transport and the other is a weapon. The fact that most Americans believe in the right to bear arms is testament to the power of indoctrination from an early age. Just looking outwards to other civilised countries and noting the unquestionable effectiveness of having tighter gun laws should be enough to convince any rational US citizen of the obscenity of easy access to firearms. The well-meaning US politicians striving for change don’t stand a chance - as well as having to change attitudes rooted in 1791 and its Second Amendment, they’re up against the even more influential gun lobby, whose resistance to change isn’t based on morals but money.
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That is the same mantra presented all the time and it way off the mark. It sound like its been lifted straight out of Wikipedia. I presume you don’t own a weapon, so your position is understandable as it doesn’t leave you in a position to make a comparative judgement. How exactly are they “stuck in 1791”? That probably is an even more spurious assertion. People just see things differently on this topic, especially Brits. As for American attitudes, this depends on the source of your information, or which poll you pay attention to. The truth, there nothing spurious at all about the comparison I raised, so what I said stands. However, I’m happy for you to set out what is spurious about that? Both vehicles and guns have been used for acts of mass terrorism and violence. So it’s a serious question. In Wurope you have seen hundreds murdered using vehicles as weapons, and likeswise you witnessed several repeat attacks. Conversely, both are owned and used by millions daily with little or no consequences. It’s OK Lorra, for me, it’s not personal, as the are two distinct viewpoints on this thorny topic. Many belief that viseo gaming is unhelpful also, others make the opposing assertions that there is not, without actually showing how in the face of the actual killers. and tha thee should be restrictions. Once again, it takes us back to the polarising nature of the debate. The NRA hold regular courses for those interested in responsible ownership of weapons and like many organisations doesn’t seek membership from those who do not have an interest in its activities. I will never be an MUFC member. I have no interest in its activities.

This has become an interesting discussion, and a very thought provoking one. We use the same strong feelings to argue our beliefs of topics of football, accepting different perspectives and not judging anyone just because we feel strongly opposed.

On a final note, related to next season, and indeed pre-season, I’m hoping Marsch is prepared to let some of the youngsters show what they can offer him.

Clubs seem to enjoy buying players who were given their chance to shine, which is how they came to be in the shop window in the first place. It’s harsh on those who for example make judgements on players such as Sam Greenwood based on a couple of cameo performances in a team under enormous pressure, when in fact none of the players particularly shone this season. The same will apply to the others. For example, whose to say that Rasmus Kristensen will perform any better than if Drameh is given the opportunity? We need to prioritise where there is a clear lack of options with a particular type of player.

I want to see a left back, because Firpo simply doesn’t convince after 1709 minutes and involvement in 24 games, which, aGeldhardt aside, is more than the sum total of all the U23 players given their chance. Charlie Taylor? Yes….could be. At centre back, I wouldn’t say no to Tarkowski either. They come from a team which knows how to defend.

Aaronson has been a good buy, so hopefully this is an indication of where we are headed.

I would like to see Raphinha stay for now as I think he is set for an excellent World Cup which will see his value soar. Sell him to Barcelona and you will see them hoping to sell him ok for €100 million not long after.

This time next week, let’s see if there is any more progress.
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Hi Real, there’s a reason it’s the same mantra that’s used all the time and that’s because it’s based on logic and not emotion. You’re right, I don’t own a weapon and I wouldn’t even if I lived in the US. The reason I mention 1791 is that the most common defence of - and justification for - ‘the right to bear arms’ is the existence of the Second Amendment. I just happened to watch “How the West was Won” on TV yesterday – a great movie but one that has a sugar-coated view of the violence that played a massive part in the history of the US - and every other country too. I may be wrong but could there be something in the American psyche that clings on to the romanticised view of this bygone world of ‘kill or be killed’. Violence breeds violence is all I’m saying.

Yeah I’m totally with you on Firpo - he’s like a boy amongst men and is showing little sign of improvement. Tbh I’m not 100% convinced by Marsch either but he played his part in our Prem survival so he definitely deserves our faith and trust in whatever system he opts for. Sadly, he in turn is relying on the nous of Victor Orta to bring in the necessary talent. Now there’s a man who deserves a free transfer!

posted on 6/6/22

Lorra - Firpo. Personally I thought he was better in the attacking areas, based on what i saw i'd see him more as a winger. Shame he's in the side as a LB!!!

That said, i'll give him some leeway - first season syndrome and all that. Hopefully he settles a bit better during the summer and is more the player I (we?) hoped we'd got when he signed.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Lorra - Firpo. Personally I thought he was better in the attacking areas, based on what i saw i'd see him more as a winger. Shame he's in the side as a LB!!!

That said, i'll give him some leeway - first season syndrome and all that. Hopefully he settles a bit better during the summer and is more the player I (we?) hoped we'd got when he signed.


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I agree Firpo looks out of position - the guy can’t defend to save his life. Admittedly neither can Raph or Rodrigo but it’s not primarily their job. Ok, fair enough, let’s put Firpo down as 1st season syndrome, but whatever he turns out like, Orta still overpaid for him.

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 6/6/22

Probably just more click bait. However, it's never a good sign when you read:

"Leeds United will sign player if he stays out of prison."

(Gonzalo Plata)

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Batty πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ (U4664)
posted 7 minutes ago
Probably just more click bait. However, it's never a good sign when you read:

"Leeds United will sign player if he stays out of prison."

(Gonzalo Plata)
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I'm more surprised we're waiting to try and sign him until after a verdict ......... (clickbait headline aside).

More like us to sign him and then find he's getting sent down for life ........

posted on 6/6/22

Raphinha rejected Liverpool move, Minamino would have been part of deal.

Harrison weighing up his options, in short, is available for transfer.

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Raphinha with you! (U9955)
posted 22 minutes ago

Raphinha rejected Liverpool move, Minamino would have been part of deal.

^^^

That deal would've been ideal (if true). Had a feeling
this was going to get messy as hell. Deco and Barca
have been greasing the skids for this one for months.

Can't see Raph being open to anything but Barca.
I hope the club fully realize their leverage and dig in.
No way Barcelona get discounts or pity for supposedly
having little in their transfer kitty.

posted on 7/6/22

Pretty clear that Deco has dropped a blunder by choosing Barca to be the club he touts Raphinha to. The one big club in the world that can't afford him.

Disagree on Firpo's defending. His one-on-one is fine, but I think the main struggle has been him not acclimatising to the system, and getting too easily pulled out of position by tracking runners. That, in turn, leads to him getting caught in behind a lot, which leads to more professional fouls and more yellow cards. Alioski was exactly the same.

posted on 7/6/22

Firpo was a huge let down. Looks like a rabbit in headlights when running forward with the ball. Just didn't look like a Leeds player, looked like someone we borrowed because we were short on match days. I hope he turns it around next season though.

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 7/6/22

If Marsch keeps Firpo it must mean JM thinks he can fit his system.
Therefore, I'm going to give him the benefit. This could be a case of
pre-Bielsa, where a lot of fans saw a worthless squad. Then voila.
They weren't. I know MB was a massive part of that.

Maybe Firpo fits Marsch's system and he looks completely different
next season?

posted on 7/6/22

Either way we are still short at LB if he gets injured

posted on 7/6/22

comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 minutes ago
Either way we are still short at LB if he gets injured
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Unless i've missed a headline or link somewhere, then the other position we're potentially light in is GK. Ilian needs a back up - unless they're happy with the current options of course. Think we need another, more experienced, body in there.

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 7/6/22

I've said for a couple of seasons now: go get Zinchenko.
He could be huge for this team. One of the best LBs in
football. It would be a marquee signing with a hefty fee.
It's a fantasy world name to go after but why not?

posted on 7/6/22

Ben Foster has just been released.

posted on 7/6/22

comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
Ben Foster has just been released.
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i think liverpool is interested in him.

posted on 7/6/22

comment by Batty πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ (U4664)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
I've said for a couple of seasons now: go get Zinchenko.
He could be huge for this team. One of the best LBs in
football. It would be a marquee signing with a hefty fee.
It's a fantasy world name to go after but why not?
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Straight swap for Raph. Would you take it?

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 7/6/22

comment by My favorite Marschian (U19827)
posted 2 minutes ago

comment by Batty πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ (U4664)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
I've said for a couple of seasons now: go get Zinchenko.
He could be huge for this team. One of the best LBs in
football. It would be a marquee signing with a hefty fee.
It's a fantasy world name to go after but why not?
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Straight swap for Raph. Would you take it?

^^^^^

I'd be very tempted, yes. Think I might be alone in that.

posted on 7/6/22

comment by Batty πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ (U4664)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by My favorite Marschian (U19827)
posted 2 minutes ago

comment by Batty πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ (U4664)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
I've said for a couple of seasons now: go get Zinchenko.
He could be huge for this team. One of the best LBs in
football. It would be a marquee signing with a hefty fee.
It's a fantasy world name to go after but why not?
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Straight swap for Raph. Would you take it?

^^^^^

I'd be very tempted, yes. Think I might be alone in that.
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we'll end up with nothing for raph. selling him to liverpool is our best bet but he has his mind set on those broke basturds barca.
id be with you in that swap batty, hes never going to want to stay at leeds. at least we would have a quality player in return who also doesn't want to come to Leeds.

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 7/6/22

Deco's the tw4t in this. He's turned Raph's head.
Sold him on Barca and only Barca. Sod the fact
they've got sod all in the bank.

posted on 8/6/22

comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 1 day, 15 hours ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 14 minutes ago
Think Summerville's main problem is he is a bit lightweight. Fine at U23 level, but he will struggle to compete at senior. A loan would help him.

Also, I object to the assertion that I have to accept and respect someone else's view just because it's their opinion. Some opinions can be wrong (see my brother about Darren O'Dea), whilst other can be downright dangerous. Such opinions don't merit respect.
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Sounds like Real is trying to justify what cannot be justified. I can see no argument to legitimise universal gun ownership.
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Most Brits can’t.

I don’t think most have even read the detail I gave on my stance and made presumptions. The USA definitely gives people the right to decide for themselves; the U.K. is too much of an nanny state which I find insulting to the intelligence.

Let me be clear - in the UK, I wouldn’t even feel the need to own a gun let alone use one. Period. That should say it all. There is no need. It is a fairly small island and relatively easy to virtually eliminate their use.

The biggest issue is there are too many weapons in the US, to reverse. Understand the trafficking issue and it would make more sense to many who don’t get it. If a blanket ban on guns was implemented tomorrow, I’ll put my house on there still being massacres in the US in 10 years time.

It’s hard to describe to many people in UK and they don’t grasp it, but the issue lies with the holder of the weapon, not the weapon itself.

For the record, in the last 40 years there have been 75 mass killings in Democrat States and 42 in Republican States.

Because there are so many weapons in BAD hands, the risk is too high to be unarmed at the right moment. When you see a cop in the UK take out a terrorist, that is sadly a daily occurrence in US; bad people pointing a gun at good people, who prefer to have a leamos of saving their life. A gun saved my life (I owe my friend my life), and that’s good enough for me.

As I said, I don’t live in the USA now, but the same dangers exist where I am in Costa Rica.

I can only let that be my final word, and laugh at poor Lubo thinking I need my head checked 🀣

I’ll ask our President when I speak to him next week.

If Costa Rica beat New Zealand next week and reach the World Cup finals, I’ll definitely need my head checked the following morning.

We have a great kid who can play narrow down the left and yet like Alioski can also play at left back. He started when Costa Arica beat USA in the qualifier back in March. He was directly involved in both goals including an assist. He would be a great asset for us at Leeds.

posted on 8/6/22

Most Brits can’t.
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Most of the world can't. You say there would still be massacres in 10 years time we'll how about 20? You have to start somewhere.
Other countries have, what makes Americans so ignorant?

posted on 8/6/22

Anyone keeping up with this Derby County stuff? Apparently the guy buying them hasn't been able to provide proof of funds, so their takeover might be collapsing. genuine chance of liquidation, apparently.

posted on 8/6/22

I remember reading something on the internet a few years back that said there are over 200m illegal weapons in America, add that to those that are allowed and you have what you now have!..

Its right what you say about the person and the gun, but the means are there for all and most learn at a very early age how to use a gun!..

Maybe its the gun that makes people what they are!..

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 8/6/22

Phil Hay confirmed that the 'Premier League Striker'
we were after was Nketiah. Orta thought he had him.
Then Eddie re-upped with Arsenal. Threw a spanner
into Orta's grand plan.

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