comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
Balogun and Firth are leaving the Gers (official).
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Souttar can take Balogun's position on the treatment table so that's sorted.
Actually mad to read that Balogun started 29 games for us this season. Rarely let us down.
comment by Why the pallaver (a little more optimistic) (U10168)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
There's yer Luca Connell released. Decent player btw though whether he can reach 1st team level, well we'll never know now.
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He's not the one we got from Man Utd, is he?
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No, that was O'Connor the RB.
Luca came from Bolton. Gallus bastirt - possibly not Ange style?
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
Balogun and Firth are leaving the Gers (official).
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Souttar can take Balogun's position on the treatment table so that's sorted.
Actually mad to read that Balogun started 29 games for us this season. Rarely let us down.
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I liked Balogun but with Souttar coming in and Goldson staying I can see why he's been let go.
Are we schite at scouting you g players or schite at developing them?
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Are we schite at scouting you g players or schite at developing them?
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Or is the need to win every week a constraint in Glasgow?
Whilst almost every boy dreams of playing for 'his' club there is realism that the majority that 'make it'* do so away from Celtic or Rangers.
The reason being unless you are the Tierney you aint getting played and there's a possibility that had Celtic not been down budgeting during the banter years and had there not been a LB shortage during international break whether even he would have been noticed or nurtured by Deila?
Who was the previous equivalent with us - McManus? Maybe Ralston, I suppose though he has rarely excited?
Look at all the home grown 'next greatest things' over the years - Dembele, Doak, Miller, Aitchison, Henderson x2, Nebitt, Duffy, O'Connell, McMullan, Feruz, McGowan, Sheridan, Caddis, Ferry...?
An endless list. As is the list of the scattergun youth we buy in and only some make it - Ajer, Frimpong...? Not sure I count the slightly older guys like O'Reilly, Dembele, Edouard, Hendry, Klimala, Morgan...?
But there's also the endless list of guys that we buy in, never really feature yet go (or will go) for a small profit and mostly make a career - Afolabi, Urhoghide, Shaw, Connell, Hjelde, Shved, Okoflex, Harper, Benyu, Bayo, Kouassi, Gutman, Perez...?
It is a business, not just a sport. Academy budget is c. £1m. Easily pays for itself if they produce just one KT every 20 years! But don't discount the succession of million here, hundred k there.
* The perceived definition of 'making it' amongst the academy dads discussing during the interminable hours spent waiting for training, matches, tournaments was 10-15 years earning £15-20kpw at a championship club down south with envelope calculations showing a decent lifestyle but careful enough with pension and savings that you can fund a 6 figure salary after stopping playing and without working. Rightly or wrongly
I think the need to win every week certainly works against young players. If they have a couple of poor performances then the fans get on their backs and suddenly they go from the next big thing to not good enough for the club. I think a large part of the reason Tierney, Forrest and McGregor were able to come through at Celtic was because Rangers weren't breathing down their necks every week at that point.
What I really don't understand though is how our players are of such a generally low quality relative to other nations in the first place? Why should Croatia for instance, with a smaller population than Scotland, consistently produce a better standard of footballer? Why can't we produce players of a similar quality to those England does, or replicate the success Iceland had? Is it purely down to cultural factors? Are we just producing generation after generation of wee shiites with a terrible attitude and low aspirations? Or is our coaching just awful? Or am I just judging it all wrong entirely and there's some other factor that stops our young players progressing despite all their best efforts and the best coaching?
From my perspective some of it may be down to the "old-fashioned" football that's still so popular in our leagues, where it's often the hard man or the one who relies on dirty play who's preferred over the skilled player. Surely it must be demotivating for an aspirational young player when an Alan Power or the likes smashes right through him and the referee doesn't even give a foul and the media and fans praise the hammer thrower for "putting himself about" or "letting the opposition know he's there". Can see why the likes of Hickey would want to head abroad tbh.
You might be right WPP? On the England thing a lot of that is down to sheer scale - they have 5 million people per starting player versus our 0.5m. Countries have golden generations too - Belgium, Iceland - plenty more in the past, arguably including Scotland?
Unfortunately, the game attracts a lot of wee shiites. No different from reality TV attracting zoomer attention seekers or rugby attracting Fraser, Blair, Campbell and Alastairs.
My own take on the coaching is there's too much group based and not enough individual based - everyone does the same thing at the same time whether they need it or not. Now, a lot of that is likely economics of limited coaches but there's also a lot of inefficiencies that could easily be better used. Lots of things are measured but there could be more and aligned with skill improvement - jeez I could write a book! But then I've never 'been through Seamill' to be qualified to have a different opinion, eh?
The hard man thing happens everywhere. The difference may be in reactions as you say? But don't tell me Italy is not full of dark arts! The ref'ing maybe though the cynic in me says it just trains them to be even darker in their actions?
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posted on 3/6/22
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
Balogun and Firth are leaving the Gers (official).
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Souttar can take Balogun's position on the treatment table so that's sorted.
Actually mad to read that Balogun started 29 games for us this season. Rarely let us down.
posted on 3/6/22
comment by Why the pallaver (a little more optimistic) (U10168)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
There's yer Luca Connell released. Decent player btw though whether he can reach 1st team level, well we'll never know now.
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He's not the one we got from Man Utd, is he?
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No, that was O'Connor the RB.
Luca came from Bolton. Gallus bastirt - possibly not Ange style?
posted on 3/6/22
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
Balogun and Firth are leaving the Gers (official).
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Souttar can take Balogun's position on the treatment table so that's sorted.
Actually mad to read that Balogun started 29 games for us this season. Rarely let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I liked Balogun but with Souttar coming in and Goldson staying I can see why he's been let go.
posted on 4/6/22
Are we schite at scouting you g players or schite at developing them?
posted on 4/6/22
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Are we schite at scouting you g players or schite at developing them?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or is the need to win every week a constraint in Glasgow?
Whilst almost every boy dreams of playing for 'his' club there is realism that the majority that 'make it'* do so away from Celtic or Rangers.
The reason being unless you are the Tierney you aint getting played and there's a possibility that had Celtic not been down budgeting during the banter years and had there not been a LB shortage during international break whether even he would have been noticed or nurtured by Deila?
Who was the previous equivalent with us - McManus? Maybe Ralston, I suppose though he has rarely excited?
Look at all the home grown 'next greatest things' over the years - Dembele, Doak, Miller, Aitchison, Henderson x2, Nebitt, Duffy, O'Connell, McMullan, Feruz, McGowan, Sheridan, Caddis, Ferry...?
An endless list. As is the list of the scattergun youth we buy in and only some make it - Ajer, Frimpong...? Not sure I count the slightly older guys like O'Reilly, Dembele, Edouard, Hendry, Klimala, Morgan...?
But there's also the endless list of guys that we buy in, never really feature yet go (or will go) for a small profit and mostly make a career - Afolabi, Urhoghide, Shaw, Connell, Hjelde, Shved, Okoflex, Harper, Benyu, Bayo, Kouassi, Gutman, Perez...?
It is a business, not just a sport. Academy budget is c. £1m. Easily pays for itself if they produce just one KT every 20 years! But don't discount the succession of million here, hundred k there.
posted on 4/6/22
* The perceived definition of 'making it' amongst the academy dads discussing during the interminable hours spent waiting for training, matches, tournaments was 10-15 years earning £15-20kpw at a championship club down south with envelope calculations showing a decent lifestyle but careful enough with pension and savings that you can fund a 6 figure salary after stopping playing and without working. Rightly or wrongly
posted on 5/6/22
I think the need to win every week certainly works against young players. If they have a couple of poor performances then the fans get on their backs and suddenly they go from the next big thing to not good enough for the club. I think a large part of the reason Tierney, Forrest and McGregor were able to come through at Celtic was because Rangers weren't breathing down their necks every week at that point.
What I really don't understand though is how our players are of such a generally low quality relative to other nations in the first place? Why should Croatia for instance, with a smaller population than Scotland, consistently produce a better standard of footballer? Why can't we produce players of a similar quality to those England does, or replicate the success Iceland had? Is it purely down to cultural factors? Are we just producing generation after generation of wee shiites with a terrible attitude and low aspirations? Or is our coaching just awful? Or am I just judging it all wrong entirely and there's some other factor that stops our young players progressing despite all their best efforts and the best coaching?
From my perspective some of it may be down to the "old-fashioned" football that's still so popular in our leagues, where it's often the hard man or the one who relies on dirty play who's preferred over the skilled player. Surely it must be demotivating for an aspirational young player when an Alan Power or the likes smashes right through him and the referee doesn't even give a foul and the media and fans praise the hammer thrower for "putting himself about" or "letting the opposition know he's there". Can see why the likes of Hickey would want to head abroad tbh.
posted on 5/6/22
You might be right WPP? On the England thing a lot of that is down to sheer scale - they have 5 million people per starting player versus our 0.5m. Countries have golden generations too - Belgium, Iceland - plenty more in the past, arguably including Scotland?
Unfortunately, the game attracts a lot of wee shiites. No different from reality TV attracting zoomer attention seekers or rugby attracting Fraser, Blair, Campbell and Alastairs.
My own take on the coaching is there's too much group based and not enough individual based - everyone does the same thing at the same time whether they need it or not. Now, a lot of that is likely economics of limited coaches but there's also a lot of inefficiencies that could easily be better used. Lots of things are measured but there could be more and aligned with skill improvement - jeez I could write a book! But then I've never 'been through Seamill' to be qualified to have a different opinion, eh?
The hard man thing happens everywhere. The difference may be in reactions as you say? But don't tell me Italy is not full of dark arts! The ref'ing maybe though the cynic in me says it just trains them to be even darker in their actions?
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