comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 44 minutes ago
I only have seen the biy play twice and both tomes was against us.
Forst game he spent half the time diving to the floor and when hr did bother playing he took his chance well.
2nd leg total different player, absolute deadly finisher and what suprised me most was his pace and abirt to play on the wings
85 mil way too much for me though.
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Im exact same as you. Seen him twice. Have to say I was very impressed with him at anfield. 2 games isnt enough to judge a player on though.
The fee is huge, its no like us. I really hope this doesnt impact on our ability financial wise to bring in a top class midfielder as thats what we need more than anything.
Still if he comes in fair play to the club. They dont hang about.
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
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Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
Surely he’ll be used as a cf for them.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
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Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
I think we need to evolve and s classic cf maybe what we need a bit like lewondoski was at dortmund. For that to work he has to be mobile which I think he is.
Did someone just say Suarez wasn’t technically gifted !?
I hate the man but he was insanely technically gifted
Literally never heard of him.
You’ll have aim higher if you want to compete with the big boys.
agree we should go after Arsenal targets
comment by Michael The Morb Morbius (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Surely he’ll be used as a cf for them.
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Yeah, if he is, I’m wondering if Klopp will shift to 4-2-3-1 playing him up top, and move Jota in behind him, or someone else to link with the midfield.
I just don’t see him playing at nine in a front three for
Klopp every week. If he’s going to play at the apex, I’d guess it would be with a strike partner or a ten in behind.
If not, deploying him on the left might not be a terrible idea, particularly with his pace, work rate, defensive qualities and penchant for long range strikes cutting in.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
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Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
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More or less where my thinking was at (barring your comment on Elliot, whom I know nothing about)
Jota can be both pretty tidy and pretty creative with the ball and has played across the line though hasn’t he? Not sure what his movement is like playing a little deeper centrally, but could be an option, no?
Or he’ll just change the way the front three functions.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 42 minutes ago
Literally never heard of him.
You’ll have aim higher if you want to compete with the big boys.
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Champions league player, doesn’t concern arsenal I’m afraid
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
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Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
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More or less where my thinking was at (barring your comment on Elliot, whom I know nothing about)
Jota can be both pretty tidy and pretty creative with the ball and has played across the line though hasn’t he? Not sure what his movement is like playing a little deeper centrally, but could be an option, no?
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We have Carvalho who plays as a number 10 and could play behind a striker. I think he will be asked to be in the box the moment Trent or Robbo are arriving on the wing. There is enough tactical adjustment we can make to suit his style.
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
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More or less where my thinking was at (barring your comment on Elliot, whom I know nothing about)
Jota can be both pretty tidy and pretty creative with the ball and has played across the line though hasn’t he? Not sure what his movement is like playing a little deeper centrally, but could be an option, no?
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It's an option for sure but I think we can get far better systems from the players available. In fact I'd be more inclined to play Nunez there because Jota's hold up play is pretty poor, especially with his back to goal.
I think we'll bring in another midfielder, someone who is capable of playing instead of or alongside Fabinho though too fwiw.
Will probably see a slight evolution of tactics if Liverpool sign him.
I just can't see us playing a midfield two though, it would require and incredible amount of work for the ten defensively I reckon.
80 million euros bid submitted, roughly about 68 million quid.
comment by Gaffer Pranks- Aka Stiffler (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
80 million euros bid submitted, roughly about 68 million quid.
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Lovely stuff.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I just can't see us playing a midfield two though, it would require and incredible amount of work for the ten defensively I reckon.
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And you’d need to change the way you use your fullbacks.
comment by Michael The Morb Morbius (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I just can't see us playing a midfield two though, it would require and incredible amount of work for the ten defensively I reckon.
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And you’d need to change the way you use your fullbacks.
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Yep, we'd get smashed otherwise. The more I think about it the more I reckon he'll play 9 mostly, sometimes left and hopefully he'll be a right handful and there'll be no 4-2-3-1.
You’d have to play like Flick’s Bayern. Would be funny to see in the prem.
I just can’t see him dropping in to play deeper than the wing forwards like Firmino, or latterly at times Mane. You’d just tuck in closer to him than you can with Mane, for example, and pressure him off the ball or into a mistake.
He is good running in behind, but tis trickier doing that if you aren’t the most agile player and you’re playing against a well-organised, deeper line, as Liverpool will be most weeks (and Benfica assuredly aren’t). Haaland can deal with that by physically bullying CBs. Despite his size, Nunez doesn’t really do that.
Would make more sense to me giving him the kind of room he likes to work in, on the half turn or over the top, and from where he can use his pace to run at people or in behind.
Otherwise, as suggested, Klopp is changing things up probably to shift more of the burden in linking play onto what I guess would look more like inside forwards going forwards.
At Dortmund Klopp played with Gundogan and Bender as the double pivot and Pisczek and Schmelzer higher up the pitch. Their number 10 was Gotze and he wasn't that physical. I think we have the players to play 4231 if Nunez signs.
He’ll obviously have to work on certain parts of his game and the forwards would interact differently with one another - this happens with Jota and Origi.
I don’t see the issue, Klopp’s proven over and over that he can take a player that isn’t familiar with certain ways of playing and get them to adapt.
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comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 44 minutes ago
I only have seen the biy play twice and both tomes was against us.
Forst game he spent half the time diving to the floor and when hr did bother playing he took his chance well.
2nd leg total different player, absolute deadly finisher and what suprised me most was his pace and abirt to play on the wings
85 mil way too much for me though.
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Im exact same as you. Seen him twice. Have to say I was very impressed with him at anfield. 2 games isnt enough to judge a player on though.
The fee is huge, its no like us. I really hope this doesnt impact on our ability financial wise to bring in a top class midfielder as thats what we need more than anything.
Still if he comes in fair play to the club. They dont hang about.
posted on 8/6/22
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
posted on 8/6/22
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
posted on 8/6/22
Surely he’ll be used as a cf for them.
posted on 8/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
posted on 8/6/22
I think we need to evolve and s classic cf maybe what we need a bit like lewondoski was at dortmund. For that to work he has to be mobile which I think he is.
posted on 8/6/22
Did someone just say Suarez wasn’t technically gifted !?
I hate the man but he was insanely technically gifted
posted on 8/6/22
Literally never heard of him.
You’ll have aim higher if you want to compete with the big boys.
posted on 8/6/22
agree we should go after Arsenal targets
posted on 8/6/22
comment by Michael The Morb Morbius (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Surely he’ll be used as a cf for them.
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Yeah, if he is, I’m wondering if Klopp will shift to 4-2-3-1 playing him up top, and move Jota in behind him, or someone else to link with the midfield.
I just don’t see him playing at nine in a front three for
Klopp every week. If he’s going to play at the apex, I’d guess it would be with a strike partner or a ten in behind.
If not, deploying him on the left might not be a terrible idea, particularly with his pace, work rate, defensive qualities and penchant for long range strikes cutting in.
posted on 8/6/22
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
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More or less where my thinking was at (barring your comment on Elliot, whom I know nothing about)
Jota can be both pretty tidy and pretty creative with the ball and has played across the line though hasn’t he? Not sure what his movement is like playing a little deeper centrally, but could be an option, no?
posted on 8/6/22
Or he’ll just change the way the front three functions.
posted on 8/6/22
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 42 minutes ago
Literally never heard of him.
You’ll have aim higher if you want to compete with the big boys.
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Champions league player, doesn’t concern arsenal I’m afraid
posted on 8/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
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More or less where my thinking was at (barring your comment on Elliot, whom I know nothing about)
Jota can be both pretty tidy and pretty creative with the ball and has played across the line though hasn’t he? Not sure what his movement is like playing a little deeper centrally, but could be an option, no?
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We have Carvalho who plays as a number 10 and could play behind a striker. I think he will be asked to be in the box the moment Trent or Robbo are arriving on the wing. There is enough tactical adjustment we can make to suit his style.
posted on 8/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't really add much that hasn't been said already.
I'd echo the concerns about his limitations though, I don't mind admitting I have thought the same from the little I have seen.
However, I could say the same with regards to most of that about Jota.
His build up play is virtually non-existent, he's certainly not a great passer of the ball and can have ropey touches but no-one give a sh!t if you score 20 goals a season.
I'd be amazed if we paid £85m though, and don't think we should but as others have said our transfer team has done so well it has my complete trust.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think signing Nunez (and I guess with Henderson and Thiago at the stages in their careers they’re at) might see Klopp shift at least on occasion to 4-2-3-1, Robbing?
Or deploying him on the left of a three man attack where he’d have a bit more space to operate in?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he rarely if ever changes a system mid season, even for a one off game, regardless of personnel. He sometimes may bring on a 4th forward late on.
But he does tend to change the system a bit every summer. For example we played a higher line this year and whoever was at 8(ish) had a greater license to go inside and ahead of Salah or whoever was at 9. At the start of the season we saw Elliot going on the outside of Salah and creating an overload. Real shame he got injured, we were great to watch (although we were for the first 6 months of the season tbf).
So 4-2-3-1 is an option, and doesn't require that much tinkering, and we've at times played a kind of 4-2-4 but I reckon he would be wary of a two man midfield with forwards who really are not THAT good at passing. The balance just doesn't fit our players imo, it'd require dropping Henderson which he doesn't like for big games, and if Firmino were to leave then the option in the middle of the three up front doesn't look very strong really due to the limitations that we've spoken about with Nunez and Jota. Elliot maybe but that's a big role for someone at his stage of development.
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More or less where my thinking was at (barring your comment on Elliot, whom I know nothing about)
Jota can be both pretty tidy and pretty creative with the ball and has played across the line though hasn’t he? Not sure what his movement is like playing a little deeper centrally, but could be an option, no?
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It's an option for sure but I think we can get far better systems from the players available. In fact I'd be more inclined to play Nunez there because Jota's hold up play is pretty poor, especially with his back to goal.
I think we'll bring in another midfielder, someone who is capable of playing instead of or alongside Fabinho though too fwiw.
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Will probably see a slight evolution of tactics if Liverpool sign him.
posted on 8/6/22
I just can't see us playing a midfield two though, it would require and incredible amount of work for the ten defensively I reckon.
posted on 8/6/22
80 million euros bid submitted, roughly about 68 million quid.
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comment by Gaffer Pranks- Aka Stiffler (U22336)
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80 million euros bid submitted, roughly about 68 million quid.
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Lovely stuff.
posted on 8/6/22
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I just can't see us playing a midfield two though, it would require and incredible amount of work for the ten defensively I reckon.
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And you’d need to change the way you use your fullbacks.
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comment by Michael The Morb Morbius (U10026)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I just can't see us playing a midfield two though, it would require and incredible amount of work for the ten defensively I reckon.
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And you’d need to change the way you use your fullbacks.
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Yep, we'd get smashed otherwise. The more I think about it the more I reckon he'll play 9 mostly, sometimes left and hopefully he'll be a right handful and there'll be no 4-2-3-1.
posted on 8/6/22
You’d have to play like Flick’s Bayern. Would be funny to see in the prem.
posted on 8/6/22
I just can’t see him dropping in to play deeper than the wing forwards like Firmino, or latterly at times Mane. You’d just tuck in closer to him than you can with Mane, for example, and pressure him off the ball or into a mistake.
He is good running in behind, but tis trickier doing that if you aren’t the most agile player and you’re playing against a well-organised, deeper line, as Liverpool will be most weeks (and Benfica assuredly aren’t). Haaland can deal with that by physically bullying CBs. Despite his size, Nunez doesn’t really do that.
Would make more sense to me giving him the kind of room he likes to work in, on the half turn or over the top, and from where he can use his pace to run at people or in behind.
Otherwise, as suggested, Klopp is changing things up probably to shift more of the burden in linking play onto what I guess would look more like inside forwards going forwards.
posted on 8/6/22
At Dortmund Klopp played with Gundogan and Bender as the double pivot and Pisczek and Schmelzer higher up the pitch. Their number 10 was Gotze and he wasn't that physical. I think we have the players to play 4231 if Nunez signs.
posted on 8/6/22
He’ll obviously have to work on certain parts of his game and the forwards would interact differently with one another - this happens with Jota and Origi.
I don’t see the issue, Klopp’s proven over and over that he can take a player that isn’t familiar with certain ways of playing and get them to adapt.
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