comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
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This isn’t true, Carragher and McManaman being perfect examples of men that have kept their jobs for the very same thing.
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There is a MOTD commentator, Mark Scott I think who is as painful as the 2 painful women. Whenever there is a big chance he shouts "Vardyyy...YUH" for example. "It's hit the post...TUH".
You can't unhear it.
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
Who would win out of the best women's team in the world and a team made up of the best gay men in the world?
Seeing as there is only one or two gaays in men's professional football, they might have to call up a few amateurs.
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the gaaays would walk it
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
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This isn’t true, Carragher and McManaman being perfect examples of men that have kept their jobs for the very same thing.
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they will soon have to make tvs with built in windscreen wipers if they keep giving scousers roles on tv
comment by Chronic - THFC North London's finest (U3423)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Some are good, some are bad. Just like the male ones.
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
Apart from certain instances like that it's absolutely fine. In fact getting women into those roles and promoting the women's game is important imo, overseas female participation in sport seems much higher (and healthier) and football is a very popular option.
A lot of UK women (and men of course) really struggle with weight, mental health, fitness etc and sport can be a great remedy for that. Removing any barriers or stigma from sports can be crucial to this.
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that last paragraph is true. spending any time abroad and then coming back to the UK is an eye opener. overseas women are all into fitness, keep themselves trim, good diet, exercise. come back here and its just totally different
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I think it is changing a bit in the UK but more toward gym, which is certainly good but is also a very different beast to sports, especially team sports. UK women miss out so much because of this sadly.
Also any bloke should be encouraging it from a selfish pov anyway, think about how many hot women there seem to be overseas vs here and think about the differing levels of participation in sport/fitness!
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
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This isn’t true, Carragher and McManaman being perfect examples of men that have kept their jobs for the very same thing.
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Neville commentating on Torres' goal v Barcelona springs to mind.
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned and l'm not reading all the comments to find out but I don't understand why a woman's game of football can't have a female presenter, female commentator and all female pundits, co-commentators..... etc and vice versa for men. There is no need for any overlap and it would spare us that gravel voiced navvy that manages Chelsea women's team.
Fair play to those who enjoy watching women's football but they need to lose this obsession about growing the game, if the product is strong enough it will grow on its own accord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo&ab_channel=nymphofwater
Yeah but the Neville one was facking hilarious.
This article will go superbly well with my next article entitled "Why don't many great players make great pundits/managers".
Oh it was
Personally I quite enjoy commentators going over the top even if it can be annoying sometimes, far better than boring.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 36 seconds ago
Oh it was
Personally I quite enjoy commentators going over the top even if it can be annoying sometimes, far better than boring.
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Yeah under the right circumstances absolutely, it can and has made an epic moment even better than it is.
However going absolutely mental and shrieking as a tame cross gets lofted into an empty box is fecking annoying
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
I am not a gammon or pansy so my opinion is the one that should be listened to. I wouldn't say I am better than either, just more complete, would be the word. More well rounded.
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So you're not gammon, just porky?
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
Oh it was
Personally I quite enjoy commentators going over the top even if it can be annoying sometimes, far better than boring.
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Roooooooooneeeeeeeeey!!!!!
They can make iconic moments class.
ps I also believe that on the flip side.... men should not be pundits for the womens game.
they have zero experience of playing the game as a women or playing against a womens team therefore lack the knowledge and not for for the job.
the two games are different its played differently therefore should be analysed differently. granted a lot of it will carry over but a lot of money goes to these pundits and it should be those most suited to the job performing it.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
But Alex Scott is more knowledgeable than the male pundits.
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not IMO, she is not fit to break down the male game as it levels and levels above what she has experienced. IMO a pundit should have been involved in the game their are breaking down at the level they are referring to.
That doesnt mean that anything that she says will be wrong as that would also infer that we cannot judge and break down the game. But it should be done by someone that KNOWS and has experienced rather than people like Scott and me putting out the most educated guess we can as neither of us has any experience of the level being commented on
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This is such a nonsense argument.
So we shouldn’t listen to academic economists unless they’ve actually worked in monetary policy at the BoE; or epidemiologists unless they’ve staffed an infectious diseases ward; or war historians unless they were on the battlefield or in the war room at the time?
Gibberish.
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Think youve hit the nail on the head.
Ther is a difference between theory and reality.
Yes, we can all sit here and talk a good game, say how to best defend against Salah or Ronaldo, but unless you have really been in that situation you do not have a complete understanding.
Politicians are often criticised on not being in touch with the people, some with privileged upbringing etc, yet they are making policy for the common man...and there is merit in this criticism.
Economics is almost entirely theory, reality can often be different..as you will see from many of the economic forecasts that are made.
The standard of women's football is League 2 at best. If you had a former League 2 player disagreeing with say Rio Ferndinand on how best to defend against Harry Kane, whose opinion would you give more weight. Sure there are idiots male pundits whose judgement you question regardless, but the point is that experience and the level one has played at contributes to the a pundits informed view and also how it is received.
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In thay case you can't have any male pundits commenting on how to defend against Salah unless they actually played against Salah. Even then if Salah scored past their team then the clearly don't have experience of actually stopping Salah so they aren't qualified to talk about it.
Why should we listen to a former men's player telling us how to stop Salah if they actually proved that they couldn't? They are just espousing theory, which is your issue with women.
In fact, any male pundits who hasn't played for a decade or more is hugely out of touch with what it takes to be a modern player.
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Now you are just being an idiot and also ignoring what i have also said about the relative quality of the mans & women's game. Rio Ferdinand may not have ever played against Salah but he has played against high level premier league and international players of his time .
You are making the case that no one should be a pundit because no one is perfect, which is a pointless debate!
Rather than singling out individual players, we are talking about the absolute quality and level of player they have had to face which is informing their judgement and opinion.
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You shouldn't accuse others of being an idiot when you can't even put together a coherent argument, you sexist tool.
'Women cannot comment on the game because it is hypothetical for them to know how to best defend against Salah because they haven't played against him'.
Also you
'Men can comment on the game even if they haven't played against Salah and their thoughts are hypothetical.
Really showing yourself up here.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 minutes ago
ps I also believe that on the flip side.... men should not be pundits for the womens game.
they have zero experience of playing the game as a women or playing against a womens team therefore lack the knowledge and not for for the job.
the two games are different its played differently therefore should be analysed differently. granted a lot of it will carry over but a lot of money goes to these pundits and it should be those most suited to the job performing it.
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"therefore should be analysed differently."
Men and women can be analysed the same way. If you know what I mean honey. Just the women can only really take it, where as the men can give it back so got to be a bit more careful.
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of apex snowflake middle-aged straight white men about today
OuR lifElOnG pRiViLigE iS BeInG sTriPpEd AwAy
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Right that's it I am organising a plane to fly over a stadium
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Burnley's ?
Just as a general thing there's several examples of managers becoming successful having barely played football to a high standard.
Female pundits aren't limited by their gender in the same way they are in the sport itself due to very real differences in physical abilities of each gender (there's no argument on this, it's a fact).
https://sportsbrief.com/facts/teams/12448-top-10-managers-played-professional-football-ranked/
Management and punditry are different beasts to each other of course and to playing the game. There are and were barriers to reaching the top levels of these without having made a name for yourself as a player but it does happen.
comment by Fik Tossa (U22768)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of apex snowflake middle-aged straight white men about today
OuR lifElOnG pRiViLigE iS BeInG sTriPpEd AwAy
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Right that's it I am organising a plane to fly over a stadium
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Burnley's ?
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Yeah going to fly a plane over a women's match saying "Male Lives Matter- Blokes"
That will show them. Who is with me?
I knew Dev wouldn't be able to write an article like this without having sexist accusations thrown back at him but I think there is a lot of truth to what he's saying. Not all of it but a lot of it. There are some well-informed, articulate female pundits, like Eni Aluko who I think is being underused in both the women's and men's game, and yet Alex Scott, who can't string a sentence together and fumbles her way past every football focus episode she's ever presented, is fecking everywhere. I know why. She ticks boxes. She's mixed race, attractive and female. Plus she works for the BBC, where pressure from upstairs to fulfil diversity quotas is greater than anywhere else owed to its publicly owned model. It might seem I'm picking on Alex Scott but the truth is that it's a perfect example of where things are going wrong. By all accounts, Dan Walker didn't leave, he was pushed. When you consider just how good he was in that role at Focus, it says an awful lot about where current priorities lie when they line up someone so substandard to replace him. You could argue that's racial and gender discrimination in and of itself.
With the rise of the women's game, which I take no issue with as I think it's great there's a clear avenue for young girls that might want to follow those steps, why aren't we seeing female pundits covering the women's game and vice-versa? I get that exposure sets an example and inspires but it can't be disproportionate. I don't mind the odd well-informed female pundit every now and then in the men's game but not one every single game just to tick a box.
The quality of top tier women's football right now I'd say is lower than National League level. No joke. Therefore, is it right that players of this standard can pass judgment on truly elite men's players? I don't think it is. This is no clearer than seeing Rachel Brown Finnis on BT Sport criticising keepers she couldn't even dream of emulating. If women's football is substandard that's down in no small part to the quality of the goalkeeping, which frankly is horrendous. I've seen better from the celebs on Soccer Aid.
If the quality of their game gets better, then by all means, allow a greater mix of genders throughout all punditry and presenting but as it stands we have so many people in roles, not for the content they offer, but what they represent.
The same applies to race, gender, identity, whatever. It doesn't matter. If you're not good, you shouldn't be doing it.
I've noticed it's all over MOTDX now too. They've become so obsessed with ticking boxes and are so terrified of being cancelled by the woke brigade, they've forgotten they're supposed to be making programming people actually want to watch. As far as I'm concerned, the blatant box-ticking is undoubtedly affecting viewership. Good. Serves these virtue-signalling twonks right.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 38 minutes ago
Just as a general thing there's several examples of managers becoming successful having barely played football to a high standard.
Female pundits aren't limited by their gender in the same way they are in the sport itself due to very real differences in physical abilities of each gender (there's no argument on this, it's a fact).
https://sportsbrief.com/facts/teams/12448-top-10-managers-played-professional-football-ranked/
Management and punditry are different beasts to each other of course and to playing the game. There are and were barriers to reaching the top levels of these without having made a name for yourself as a player but it does happen.
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So if Arteta bombs next season would you really be happy with Emma Hayes coming in? I read somewhere she was offered a role in the men's game once at AFC Wimbledon and she thought it was insulting to be manager of Chelsea and then get offered a League One position. Sorry, that's just ridiculous. If she's waiting for a Premier League job, she'll be waiting a very, very long time.
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
The other thing I don’t like is how Sky and the likes no longer make a distinction between football and womens football. It’s just football. So I go on my news app and see ‘Chelsea have signed French superstar from so and so’, only to click on and see its womens football. They should specify that in the headline. And on the scores app, the facking WSL is right at the top above the Championship so to see the results you have to scroll past all this meaningless sheite - they should have a separate tab for womens football.
And I’m not slagging it off, girls should be encouraged to play and the womens game should have a profile, it’s the forced concept of parity with the mens game that I find daft when the quality, history, attendances etc are light years away. Its just so transparent.
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Amen to that, sister!!! Completely agree
I think something else that's also not considered is that fact that if you're watching men's football it's because you like men's football so therefore you're going to want to hear expert analysis from those within that field. That goes for male and female viewers. We all want more familiar faces so if we're watching the men's game, anyone watching wants to see pundits from that arena. If you're watching women's football, if that's your thing, you're gonna want to see female pundits. You can have a split in genders without it being offensive.
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posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
But Alex Scott is more knowledgeable than the male pundits.
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not IMO, she is not fit to break down the male game as it levels and levels above what she has experienced. IMO a pundit should have been involved in the game their are breaking down at the level they are referring to.
That doesnt mean that anything that she says will be wrong as that would also infer that we cannot judge and break down the game. But it should be done by someone that KNOWS and has experienced rather than people like Scott and me putting out the most educated guess we can as neither of us has any experience of the level being commented on
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This is such a nonsense argument.
So we shouldn’t listen to academic economists unless they’ve actually worked in monetary policy at the BoE; or epidemiologists unless they’ve staffed an infectious diseases ward; or war historians unless they were on the battlefield or in the war room at the time?
Gibberish.
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Think youve hit the nail on the head.
Ther is a difference between theory and reality.
Yes, we can all sit here and talk a good game, say how to best defend against Salah or Ronaldo, but unless you have really been in that situation you do not have a complete understanding.
Politicians are often criticised on not being in touch with the people, some with privileged upbringing etc, yet they are making policy for the common man...and there is merit in this criticism.
Economics is almost entirely theory, reality can often be different..as you will see from many of the economic forecasts that are made.
The standard of women's football is League 2 at best. If you had a former League 2 player disagreeing with say Rio Ferndinand on how best to defend against Harry Kane, whose opinion would you give more weight. Sure there are idiots male pundits whose judgement you question regardless, but the point is that experience and the level one has played at contributes to the a pundits informed view and also how it is received.
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In thay case you can't have any male pundits commenting on how to defend against Salah unless they actually played against Salah. Even then if Salah scored past their team then the clearly don't have experience of actually stopping Salah so they aren't qualified to talk about it.
Why should we listen to a former men's player telling us how to stop Salah if they actually proved that they couldn't? They are just espousing theory, which is your issue with women.
In fact, any male pundits who hasn't played for a decade or more is hugely out of touch with what it takes to be a modern player.
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Now you are just being an idiot and also ignoring what i have also said about the relative quality of the mans & women's game. Rio Ferdinand may not have ever played against Salah but he has played against high level premier league and international players of his time .
You are making the case that no one should be a pundit because no one is perfect, which is a pointless debate!
Rather than singling out individual players, we are talking about the absolute quality and level of player they have had to face which is informing their judgement and opinion.
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You shouldn't accuse others of being an idiot when you can't even put together a coherent argument, you sexist tool.
'Women cannot comment on the game because it is hypothetical for them to know how to best defend against Salah because they haven't played against him'.
Also you
'Men can comment on the game even if they haven't played against Salah and their thoughts are hypothetical.
Really showing yourself up here.
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Says the guy using quotations, but not actually quoting me directly or even referencing my comment accurately.
Dont bother replying!
My OP has said the forcing of women into these positions irritates me and I have given my reasons.
The OP is not generally about male pundits but I have expressed the view that many experienced players can be equally as poor or worse than female pundits.
What I have said is that the male and female games are played at such vastly different levels that I WOULD PREFER to hear a seasoned male player with experience at that level to give his views on the mens game than a female equivalent.
For the same reason as women will want to hear and see other women presenting, analysing and commenting on the womens game. If a woman expressed this view, the response would be "well of course you do, why should men be commentating on the female game when there are plenty of qualified females to do so". A bloke says they prefer male pundits and they're sexist.
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posted on 10/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
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This isn’t true, Carragher and McManaman being perfect examples of men that have kept their jobs for the very same thing.
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posted on 10/6/22
There is a MOTD commentator, Mark Scott I think who is as painful as the 2 painful women. Whenever there is a big chance he shouts "Vardyyy...YUH" for example. "It's hit the post...TUH".
You can't unhear it.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
Who would win out of the best women's team in the world and a team made up of the best gay men in the world?
Seeing as there is only one or two gaays in men's professional football, they might have to call up a few amateurs.
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the gaaays would walk it
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
———
This isn’t true, Carragher and McManaman being perfect examples of men that have kept their jobs for the very same thing.
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they will soon have to make tvs with built in windscreen wipers if they keep giving scousers roles on tv
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Chronic - THFC North London's finest (U3423)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Some are good, some are bad. Just like the male ones.
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
Apart from certain instances like that it's absolutely fine. In fact getting women into those roles and promoting the women's game is important imo, overseas female participation in sport seems much higher (and healthier) and football is a very popular option.
A lot of UK women (and men of course) really struggle with weight, mental health, fitness etc and sport can be a great remedy for that. Removing any barriers or stigma from sports can be crucial to this.
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that last paragraph is true. spending any time abroad and then coming back to the UK is an eye opener. overseas women are all into fitness, keep themselves trim, good diet, exercise. come back here and its just totally different
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I think it is changing a bit in the UK but more toward gym, which is certainly good but is also a very different beast to sports, especially team sports. UK women miss out so much because of this sadly.
Also any bloke should be encouraging it from a selfish pov anyway, think about how many hot women there seem to be overseas vs here and think about the differing levels of participation in sport/fitness!
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
There's a terrible female commentator who goes way too high pitch/over the top and completely ruins whatever highlights or games I'm watching.
Think if a bloke was that painful to the ear he wouldn't have got the job or kept it so in that sense there is some positive discrimination going on (some people just really aren't suited to a specific role regardless of gender).
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This isn’t true, Carragher and McManaman being perfect examples of men that have kept their jobs for the very same thing.
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Neville commentating on Torres' goal v Barcelona springs to mind.
posted on 10/6/22
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned and l'm not reading all the comments to find out but I don't understand why a woman's game of football can't have a female presenter, female commentator and all female pundits, co-commentators..... etc and vice versa for men. There is no need for any overlap and it would spare us that gravel voiced navvy that manages Chelsea women's team.
Fair play to those who enjoy watching women's football but they need to lose this obsession about growing the game, if the product is strong enough it will grow on its own accord.
posted on 10/6/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo&ab_channel=nymphofwater
posted on 10/6/22
Yeah but the Neville one was facking hilarious.
posted on 10/6/22
This article will go superbly well with my next article entitled "Why don't many great players make great pundits/managers".
posted on 10/6/22
Oh it was
Personally I quite enjoy commentators going over the top even if it can be annoying sometimes, far better than boring.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 36 seconds ago
Oh it was
Personally I quite enjoy commentators going over the top even if it can be annoying sometimes, far better than boring.
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Yeah under the right circumstances absolutely, it can and has made an epic moment even better than it is.
However going absolutely mental and shrieking as a tame cross gets lofted into an empty box is fecking annoying
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
I am not a gammon or pansy so my opinion is the one that should be listened to. I wouldn't say I am better than either, just more complete, would be the word. More well rounded.
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So you're not gammon, just porky?
posted on 10/6/22
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
Oh it was
Personally I quite enjoy commentators going over the top even if it can be annoying sometimes, far better than boring.
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Roooooooooneeeeeeeeey!!!!!
They can make iconic moments class.
posted on 10/6/22
ps I also believe that on the flip side.... men should not be pundits for the womens game.
they have zero experience of playing the game as a women or playing against a womens team therefore lack the knowledge and not for for the job.
the two games are different its played differently therefore should be analysed differently. granted a lot of it will carry over but a lot of money goes to these pundits and it should be those most suited to the job performing it.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
But Alex Scott is more knowledgeable than the male pundits.
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not IMO, she is not fit to break down the male game as it levels and levels above what she has experienced. IMO a pundit should have been involved in the game their are breaking down at the level they are referring to.
That doesnt mean that anything that she says will be wrong as that would also infer that we cannot judge and break down the game. But it should be done by someone that KNOWS and has experienced rather than people like Scott and me putting out the most educated guess we can as neither of us has any experience of the level being commented on
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This is such a nonsense argument.
So we shouldn’t listen to academic economists unless they’ve actually worked in monetary policy at the BoE; or epidemiologists unless they’ve staffed an infectious diseases ward; or war historians unless they were on the battlefield or in the war room at the time?
Gibberish.
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Think youve hit the nail on the head.
Ther is a difference between theory and reality.
Yes, we can all sit here and talk a good game, say how to best defend against Salah or Ronaldo, but unless you have really been in that situation you do not have a complete understanding.
Politicians are often criticised on not being in touch with the people, some with privileged upbringing etc, yet they are making policy for the common man...and there is merit in this criticism.
Economics is almost entirely theory, reality can often be different..as you will see from many of the economic forecasts that are made.
The standard of women's football is League 2 at best. If you had a former League 2 player disagreeing with say Rio Ferndinand on how best to defend against Harry Kane, whose opinion would you give more weight. Sure there are idiots male pundits whose judgement you question regardless, but the point is that experience and the level one has played at contributes to the a pundits informed view and also how it is received.
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In thay case you can't have any male pundits commenting on how to defend against Salah unless they actually played against Salah. Even then if Salah scored past their team then the clearly don't have experience of actually stopping Salah so they aren't qualified to talk about it.
Why should we listen to a former men's player telling us how to stop Salah if they actually proved that they couldn't? They are just espousing theory, which is your issue with women.
In fact, any male pundits who hasn't played for a decade or more is hugely out of touch with what it takes to be a modern player.
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Now you are just being an idiot and also ignoring what i have also said about the relative quality of the mans & women's game. Rio Ferdinand may not have ever played against Salah but he has played against high level premier league and international players of his time .
You are making the case that no one should be a pundit because no one is perfect, which is a pointless debate!
Rather than singling out individual players, we are talking about the absolute quality and level of player they have had to face which is informing their judgement and opinion.
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You shouldn't accuse others of being an idiot when you can't even put together a coherent argument, you sexist tool.
'Women cannot comment on the game because it is hypothetical for them to know how to best defend against Salah because they haven't played against him'.
Also you
'Men can comment on the game even if they haven't played against Salah and their thoughts are hypothetical.
Really showing yourself up here.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 minutes ago
ps I also believe that on the flip side.... men should not be pundits for the womens game.
they have zero experience of playing the game as a women or playing against a womens team therefore lack the knowledge and not for for the job.
the two games are different its played differently therefore should be analysed differently. granted a lot of it will carry over but a lot of money goes to these pundits and it should be those most suited to the job performing it.
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"therefore should be analysed differently."
Men and women can be analysed the same way. If you know what I mean honey. Just the women can only really take it, where as the men can give it back so got to be a bit more careful.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of apex snowflake middle-aged straight white men about today
OuR lifElOnG pRiViLigE iS BeInG sTriPpEd AwAy
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Right that's it I am organising a plane to fly over a stadium
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Burnley's ?
posted on 10/6/22
Just as a general thing there's several examples of managers becoming successful having barely played football to a high standard.
Female pundits aren't limited by their gender in the same way they are in the sport itself due to very real differences in physical abilities of each gender (there's no argument on this, it's a fact).
https://sportsbrief.com/facts/teams/12448-top-10-managers-played-professional-football-ranked/
Management and punditry are different beasts to each other of course and to playing the game. There are and were barriers to reaching the top levels of these without having made a name for yourself as a player but it does happen.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Fik Tossa (U22768)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Dyron Daal (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of apex snowflake middle-aged straight white men about today
OuR lifElOnG pRiViLigE iS BeInG sTriPpEd AwAy
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Right that's it I am organising a plane to fly over a stadium
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Burnley's ?
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Yeah going to fly a plane over a women's match saying "Male Lives Matter- Blokes"
That will show them. Who is with me?
posted on 10/6/22
I knew Dev wouldn't be able to write an article like this without having sexist accusations thrown back at him but I think there is a lot of truth to what he's saying. Not all of it but a lot of it. There are some well-informed, articulate female pundits, like Eni Aluko who I think is being underused in both the women's and men's game, and yet Alex Scott, who can't string a sentence together and fumbles her way past every football focus episode she's ever presented, is fecking everywhere. I know why. She ticks boxes. She's mixed race, attractive and female. Plus she works for the BBC, where pressure from upstairs to fulfil diversity quotas is greater than anywhere else owed to its publicly owned model. It might seem I'm picking on Alex Scott but the truth is that it's a perfect example of where things are going wrong. By all accounts, Dan Walker didn't leave, he was pushed. When you consider just how good he was in that role at Focus, it says an awful lot about where current priorities lie when they line up someone so substandard to replace him. You could argue that's racial and gender discrimination in and of itself.
With the rise of the women's game, which I take no issue with as I think it's great there's a clear avenue for young girls that might want to follow those steps, why aren't we seeing female pundits covering the women's game and vice-versa? I get that exposure sets an example and inspires but it can't be disproportionate. I don't mind the odd well-informed female pundit every now and then in the men's game but not one every single game just to tick a box.
The quality of top tier women's football right now I'd say is lower than National League level. No joke. Therefore, is it right that players of this standard can pass judgment on truly elite men's players? I don't think it is. This is no clearer than seeing Rachel Brown Finnis on BT Sport criticising keepers she couldn't even dream of emulating. If women's football is substandard that's down in no small part to the quality of the goalkeeping, which frankly is horrendous. I've seen better from the celebs on Soccer Aid.
If the quality of their game gets better, then by all means, allow a greater mix of genders throughout all punditry and presenting but as it stands we have so many people in roles, not for the content they offer, but what they represent.
The same applies to race, gender, identity, whatever. It doesn't matter. If you're not good, you shouldn't be doing it.
I've noticed it's all over MOTDX now too. They've become so obsessed with ticking boxes and are so terrified of being cancelled by the woke brigade, they've forgotten they're supposed to be making programming people actually want to watch. As far as I'm concerned, the blatant box-ticking is undoubtedly affecting viewership. Good. Serves these virtue-signalling twonks right.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 38 minutes ago
Just as a general thing there's several examples of managers becoming successful having barely played football to a high standard.
Female pundits aren't limited by their gender in the same way they are in the sport itself due to very real differences in physical abilities of each gender (there's no argument on this, it's a fact).
https://sportsbrief.com/facts/teams/12448-top-10-managers-played-professional-football-ranked/
Management and punditry are different beasts to each other of course and to playing the game. There are and were barriers to reaching the top levels of these without having made a name for yourself as a player but it does happen.
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So if Arteta bombs next season would you really be happy with Emma Hayes coming in? I read somewhere she was offered a role in the men's game once at AFC Wimbledon and she thought it was insulting to be manager of Chelsea and then get offered a League One position. Sorry, that's just ridiculous. If she's waiting for a Premier League job, she'll be waiting a very, very long time.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
The other thing I don’t like is how Sky and the likes no longer make a distinction between football and womens football. It’s just football. So I go on my news app and see ‘Chelsea have signed French superstar from so and so’, only to click on and see its womens football. They should specify that in the headline. And on the scores app, the facking WSL is right at the top above the Championship so to see the results you have to scroll past all this meaningless sheite - they should have a separate tab for womens football.
And I’m not slagging it off, girls should be encouraged to play and the womens game should have a profile, it’s the forced concept of parity with the mens game that I find daft when the quality, history, attendances etc are light years away. Its just so transparent.
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Amen to that, sister!!! Completely agree
posted on 10/6/22
I think something else that's also not considered is that fact that if you're watching men's football it's because you like men's football so therefore you're going to want to hear expert analysis from those within that field. That goes for male and female viewers. We all want more familiar faces so if we're watching the men's game, anyone watching wants to see pundits from that arena. If you're watching women's football, if that's your thing, you're gonna want to see female pundits. You can have a split in genders without it being offensive.
posted on 10/6/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
But Alex Scott is more knowledgeable than the male pundits.
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not IMO, she is not fit to break down the male game as it levels and levels above what she has experienced. IMO a pundit should have been involved in the game their are breaking down at the level they are referring to.
That doesnt mean that anything that she says will be wrong as that would also infer that we cannot judge and break down the game. But it should be done by someone that KNOWS and has experienced rather than people like Scott and me putting out the most educated guess we can as neither of us has any experience of the level being commented on
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This is such a nonsense argument.
So we shouldn’t listen to academic economists unless they’ve actually worked in monetary policy at the BoE; or epidemiologists unless they’ve staffed an infectious diseases ward; or war historians unless they were on the battlefield or in the war room at the time?
Gibberish.
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Think youve hit the nail on the head.
Ther is a difference between theory and reality.
Yes, we can all sit here and talk a good game, say how to best defend against Salah or Ronaldo, but unless you have really been in that situation you do not have a complete understanding.
Politicians are often criticised on not being in touch with the people, some with privileged upbringing etc, yet they are making policy for the common man...and there is merit in this criticism.
Economics is almost entirely theory, reality can often be different..as you will see from many of the economic forecasts that are made.
The standard of women's football is League 2 at best. If you had a former League 2 player disagreeing with say Rio Ferndinand on how best to defend against Harry Kane, whose opinion would you give more weight. Sure there are idiots male pundits whose judgement you question regardless, but the point is that experience and the level one has played at contributes to the a pundits informed view and also how it is received.
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In thay case you can't have any male pundits commenting on how to defend against Salah unless they actually played against Salah. Even then if Salah scored past their team then the clearly don't have experience of actually stopping Salah so they aren't qualified to talk about it.
Why should we listen to a former men's player telling us how to stop Salah if they actually proved that they couldn't? They are just espousing theory, which is your issue with women.
In fact, any male pundits who hasn't played for a decade or more is hugely out of touch with what it takes to be a modern player.
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Now you are just being an idiot and also ignoring what i have also said about the relative quality of the mans & women's game. Rio Ferdinand may not have ever played against Salah but he has played against high level premier league and international players of his time .
You are making the case that no one should be a pundit because no one is perfect, which is a pointless debate!
Rather than singling out individual players, we are talking about the absolute quality and level of player they have had to face which is informing their judgement and opinion.
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You shouldn't accuse others of being an idiot when you can't even put together a coherent argument, you sexist tool.
'Women cannot comment on the game because it is hypothetical for them to know how to best defend against Salah because they haven't played against him'.
Also you
'Men can comment on the game even if they haven't played against Salah and their thoughts are hypothetical.
Really showing yourself up here.
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Says the guy using quotations, but not actually quoting me directly or even referencing my comment accurately.
Dont bother replying!
My OP has said the forcing of women into these positions irritates me and I have given my reasons.
The OP is not generally about male pundits but I have expressed the view that many experienced players can be equally as poor or worse than female pundits.
What I have said is that the male and female games are played at such vastly different levels that I WOULD PREFER to hear a seasoned male player with experience at that level to give his views on the mens game than a female equivalent.
For the same reason as women will want to hear and see other women presenting, analysing and commenting on the womens game. If a woman expressed this view, the response would be "well of course you do, why should men be commentating on the female game when there are plenty of qualified females to do so". A bloke says they prefer male pundits and they're sexist.
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