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comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
This is an odd purchase. Or did your consultant identify LB as a key position in need of attention?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Nah. A Full £100m, give or take a couple of million.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'll find our track record with virtually all our transfers over the past decade has been abysmal, where they come from is a minor factor why any one of them has failed at the club.
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There are also quite a few on his list who were not failures or abysmal.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
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You'll probably find they dont achieve bonuses, but very difficult to quantify that!
To save £100m in wages would be like getting rid of 10 players on £200k a week. You havent got rid of 10 and most that have gone were on nothing like 200k
Tevez wasn’t an unqualified success.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'll find our track record with virtually all our transfers over the past decade has been abysmal, where they come from is a minor factor why any one of them has failed at the club.
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There are also quite a few on his list who were not failures or abysmal.
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Rafael and Valencia the best two for me. Says it all.
Tevez would be included but he joined the berties so he can fck right off. Similar with Cavani. He did okay first season but he's gone on strike the one just gone.
Likes of Veron, Falcao, Di Maria and Sanchez came with 'world class' reputations and they were all poor.
Yes 85 we all know who the bad ones were. You are not teaching any of us anything we don’t already know.
Veron for example wasn’t poor. He was actually very good in Europe and in the league when SAF played three in the middle.
Anderson was a very valuable squad player who had a burger disorder but wasn’t poor. Rafa was very good until LVG binned him. Tevez had one great season out of two. Valencia was a good player for us.
Where we have gone wrong is the mercenary type of SA player.
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/1jx9tC3EZgY
Highlights vs Roma
Seems lightweight
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So youve watched his highlights where he didnt look lightweight, yet came to the conclusion he looks lightweight?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 44 minutes ago
Yes 85 we all know who the bad ones were. You are not teaching any of us anything we don’t already know.
Veron for example wasn’t poor. He was actually very good in Europe and in the league when SAF played three in the middle.
Anderson was a very valuable squad player who had a burger disorder but wasn’t poor. Rafa was very good until LVG binned him. Tevez had one great season out of two. Valencia was a good player for us.
Where we have gone wrong is the mercenary type of SA player.
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Fair enough VC.
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comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
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comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
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You'll probably find they dont achieve bonuses, but very difficult to quantify that!
To save £100m in wages would be like getting rid of 10 players on £200k a week. You havent got rid of 10 and most that have gone were on nothing like 200k
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Pogba - £15m
Cavani - £13m
Mata - £8.3m
Matic - £6.2m
Lingard - £3.9m
Henderson - £5.2m (how much are Forest paying?)
Rest of the squad with a 25% reduction - £46m
Without Henderson, that’s about £92m off the wage bill
If Ronaldo goes, that’ll add another £18m or so.
We could still move on Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones and Telles, AWB as well and not need to do too much in the market to replace them.
https://twitter.com/manutd/status/1544350641904132096?s=21&t=QXnt7nk9RbLStU0_D1-lNA
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Showing off his first signing like a proud dad.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
We could still move on Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones and Telles, AWB as well and not need to do too much in the market to replace them.
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With Pogba, Cavani and Mata gone, Martial is now apparently United's fifth highest paid player
Probably the fifth highest paid player in the PL going by how stupid we are with contracts.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 43 seconds ago
Probably the fifth highest paid player in the PL going by how stupid we are with contracts.
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Salah, Haaland, KDB, Ronaldo, DDG, Kane etc...
We do hand out huge contracts that can be somewhat unfathomable, but we do certain things correctly like the 'no CL' salary reduction and taking a huge cut of image rights.
I thought he’d be higher than that.
Though I’m skeptical of what our players are supposedly earning.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
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comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
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You'll probably find they dont achieve bonuses, but very difficult to quantify that!
To save £100m in wages would be like getting rid of 10 players on £200k a week. You havent got rid of 10 and most that have gone were on nothing like 200k
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Pogba - £15m
Cavani - £13m
Mata - £8.3m
Matic - £6.2m
Lingard - £3.9m
Henderson - £5.2m (how much are Forest paying?)
Rest of the squad with a 25% reduction - £46m
Without Henderson, that’s about £92m off the wage bill
If Ronaldo goes, that’ll add another £18m or so.
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Do you really pay Henderson£100k a week
And are you seriously suggesting a 25% bonus to players if you make CL.
Applied to your whole squad that's about £50m, from a competiion that pays out £50m - £90m subject to success.
I woud think 25% bonus is too high, and qute unlikely. May be if it were structured as sat 10% for quaifying, 5% for Ko stages, 5% SF and 5% winning ....but i cannot imagine anyone offering such a boost, unless the basic was very low.....and with Henderson earning £100k a week to do nothing, your basics aint low.
And if you think about it it has to be a bonus structure rather than a wage reduction structure because you havent been in the UCL for half the last 10 years so the starting point must be to earn a bonus for qualifying rather than to lose some of your basic for not..
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought he’d be higher than that.
Though I’m skeptical of what our players are supposedly earning.
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Yeah, I don't know where all of the data comes from.
All of those figures I gave above were from spotrac; but I've seen the same/similar published elsewhere.
According to them, Pogba was paid in total (agent aside) £90m by United. B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Bonkers, as Mr Rascal would say.
It’s not a bonus if they make CL, it’s a reduction if they don’t, and they didn’t. Very well documented to, just look it up. You don’t need to decide whether it’s likely or not based on your own assumptions.
Devonshirespur
I'm just repeating what has been widely reported.
https://theathletic.com/3279361/2022/05/04/citys-team-deal-uniteds-25-per-cent-pay-cuts-football-bonuses-and-how-they-work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10781967/Manchester-United-stars-set-25-cent-wage-cut-Champions-League-failure.html
https://www.sportbible.com/football/cristiano-ronaldo-is-upset-at-reported-25-salary-reduction-20220705
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 30 seconds ago
Devonshirespur
I'm just repeating what has been widely reported.
https://theathletic.com/3279361/2022/05/04/citys-team-deal-uniteds-25-per-cent-pay-cuts-football-bonuses-and-how-they-work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10781967/Manchester-United-stars-set-25-cent-wage-cut-Champions-League-failure.html
https://www.sportbible.com/football/cristiano-ronaldo-is-upset-at-reported-25-salary-reduction-20220705
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Wow, thats a really surprising approach.
Surprising that its so much, its a wage reduction and also that your team almost gave up at the end of the season.
IMO always harder to lose something you have than never gain something you didnt have in teh first place.' It would breed resentment if my wages were cut and I felt like I had delivered. And what an unhappy bunch they would be.
Remarkable approach the more i think about it. Sort of defies logic. May be just a legacy of the "good old days" when top 4 was a given.
Spotrac is notoriously dodgy.
Either way, we’ll stand to reduce the wage bill significantly this season.
It’ll be interesting to see how we go about negotiating contracts now that Woodward has left. I know the image rights thing was his idea, and why our players are reportedly earning higher base wages than a lot of players at other big clubs.
If it’s believed that United are looking to expand the analytics department to replicate the kind of running that Liverpool and City are, we may see a shift towards a more heavily incentivised wage bill.
Ten Hag has known about this lad for a long time and whilst left back isn't the pressing position this window, he shares the same agent as De Jong. He was talking him up last year and obviously sees him as a big talent. In fact, quite a lot of people have been. He's not some random chump that we've been conned into buying.
My ignorant assumption at this point is that Ten Hag has liked the player for more than a year. He couldn't really sign him at Ajax because of their rivalry but has had him on hsi radar for a while. I'm sure that whilst speaking to De Jong's team, they were or became aware Ten Hag liked the player and they've said something along the lines of "Lyon have agreed a deal, he would be very interested in United, there's a deal that can be done there if you're interested...."
With the fee involved and the potential of the player, it absolutely makes sense to grab him.
What I don't get though is I often see fans complaining that we don't buy these players until they smash it at the likes of Dortmund, Lyon, Ajax etc and we pay £50/60/70 million for them but then when we do make a buy like that, there's still whinging and complaining because "it's not a position we need" or they don't immediately and obviously improve the first team so what's the point? We actually make more of these transfers than a lot of people realise. I see a lot of moaning about our scouts and I'm sure we could and should do a lot better in that department but at the time, most of the youth players I see peolle crying to be given a chance have been brought in at a young age through scouting. Hannibal, Garnacho, McNeil, Hernandez were all brought in, to name a few. They are part of what the scouting team do.
Seems to me like it was just a case of a good deal at a good time for a promising player who was already on the manager's radar. It won't affect whatever budget we had planned and he could well force his way into the team. I think it's a great signing and a slight indication that our forward planning and transfer strategy is changing.
He might not work out but he represents the type of signing we should be making 1-3 of in a window. If he doesn't work out, he probably still fetches more than what we paid for him. Another thing I see a lot of moaning about us not being able to do.
I think you have to really pessimistic and miserable to not feel positive in any way about this signing.
Its a tricky position for a top club though.
Players get game time in these continental clubs but if you are a top PL team its very difficult to blood youngsters, unless they are really exceptional.
The higher up the tree you are, the more you almost have to accept that you pay someone else to give these players experience, by effectively letting them develop them and paying £50m for a player rather than £15m 2-3 years earlier. Young players end up having to learn their trade in front of huge crowds expecting you to be quality and consistent and win. Not always the ideal environment for development.
Chelsea kinda got it right in buying loads at a young age and loaning them out all over the place. they at least made some money even if the player didnt turn out to be good enough for their squad.
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posted on 5/7/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
posted on 5/7/22
This is an odd purchase. Or did your consultant identify LB as a key position in need of attention?
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Nah. A Full £100m, give or take a couple of million.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'll find our track record with virtually all our transfers over the past decade has been abysmal, where they come from is a minor factor why any one of them has failed at the club.
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There are also quite a few on his list who were not failures or abysmal.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
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You'll probably find they dont achieve bonuses, but very difficult to quantify that!
To save £100m in wages would be like getting rid of 10 players on £200k a week. You havent got rid of 10 and most that have gone were on nothing like 200k
posted on 5/7/22
Tevez wasn’t an unqualified success.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'll find our track record with virtually all our transfers over the past decade has been abysmal, where they come from is a minor factor why any one of them has failed at the club.
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There are also quite a few on his list who were not failures or abysmal.
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Rafael and Valencia the best two for me. Says it all.
Tevez would be included but he joined the berties so he can fck right off. Similar with Cavani. He did okay first season but he's gone on strike the one just gone.
Likes of Veron, Falcao, Di Maria and Sanchez came with 'world class' reputations and they were all poor.
posted on 5/7/22
Yes 85 we all know who the bad ones were. You are not teaching any of us anything we don’t already know.
Veron for example wasn’t poor. He was actually very good in Europe and in the league when SAF played three in the middle.
Anderson was a very valuable squad player who had a burger disorder but wasn’t poor. Rafa was very good until LVG binned him. Tevez had one great season out of two. Valencia was a good player for us.
Where we have gone wrong is the mercenary type of SA player.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/1jx9tC3EZgY
Highlights vs Roma
Seems lightweight
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So youve watched his highlights where he didnt look lightweight, yet came to the conclusion he looks lightweight?
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 44 minutes ago
Yes 85 we all know who the bad ones were. You are not teaching any of us anything we don’t already know.
Veron for example wasn’t poor. He was actually very good in Europe and in the league when SAF played three in the middle.
Anderson was a very valuable squad player who had a burger disorder but wasn’t poor. Rafa was very good until LVG binned him. Tevez had one great season out of two. Valencia was a good player for us.
Where we have gone wrong is the mercenary type of SA player.
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Fair enough VC.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
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You'll probably find they dont achieve bonuses, but very difficult to quantify that!
To save £100m in wages would be like getting rid of 10 players on £200k a week. You havent got rid of 10 and most that have gone were on nothing like 200k
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Pogba - £15m
Cavani - £13m
Mata - £8.3m
Matic - £6.2m
Lingard - £3.9m
Henderson - £5.2m (how much are Forest paying?)
Rest of the squad with a 25% reduction - £46m
Without Henderson, that’s about £92m off the wage bill
If Ronaldo goes, that’ll add another £18m or so.
posted on 5/7/22
We could still move on Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones and Telles, AWB as well and not need to do too much in the market to replace them.
posted on 5/7/22
https://twitter.com/manutd/status/1544350641904132096?s=21&t=QXnt7nk9RbLStU0_D1-lNA
ETH
Showing off his first signing like a proud dad.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
We could still move on Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones and Telles, AWB as well and not need to do too much in the market to replace them.
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With Pogba, Cavani and Mata gone, Martial is now apparently United's fifth highest paid player
posted on 5/7/22
Probably the fifth highest paid player in the PL going by how stupid we are with contracts.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 43 seconds ago
Probably the fifth highest paid player in the PL going by how stupid we are with contracts.
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Salah, Haaland, KDB, Ronaldo, DDG, Kane etc...
We do hand out huge contracts that can be somewhat unfathomable, but we do certain things correctly like the 'no CL' salary reduction and taking a huge cut of image rights.
posted on 5/7/22
I thought he’d be higher than that.
Though I’m skeptical of what our players are supposedly earning.
posted on 5/7/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boudewijn Pahlplatz (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Frenkie van de Hag (U22703)
posted 6 minutes ago
Glad the manager is getting the players he wants, but with money tight, and LB not being a priority, it seems an odd one
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Is money tight? How come?
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No champs League.
Commercial deals seem to have plateaued.
We need so many signings that every penny will count
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Roughly £100m cleared from the wage bill.
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nah. Half that.
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Significantly more than half. The players all take a pay cut of (I think) 20% for failing to qualify for CL. Then you look at the numerous players who have left already. Ronaldo would obvious add to the reduction if he goes
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You'll probably find they dont achieve bonuses, but very difficult to quantify that!
To save £100m in wages would be like getting rid of 10 players on £200k a week. You havent got rid of 10 and most that have gone were on nothing like 200k
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Pogba - £15m
Cavani - £13m
Mata - £8.3m
Matic - £6.2m
Lingard - £3.9m
Henderson - £5.2m (how much are Forest paying?)
Rest of the squad with a 25% reduction - £46m
Without Henderson, that’s about £92m off the wage bill
If Ronaldo goes, that’ll add another £18m or so.
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Do you really pay Henderson£100k a week
And are you seriously suggesting a 25% bonus to players if you make CL.
Applied to your whole squad that's about £50m, from a competiion that pays out £50m - £90m subject to success.
I woud think 25% bonus is too high, and qute unlikely. May be if it were structured as sat 10% for quaifying, 5% for Ko stages, 5% SF and 5% winning ....but i cannot imagine anyone offering such a boost, unless the basic was very low.....and with Henderson earning £100k a week to do nothing, your basics aint low.
And if you think about it it has to be a bonus structure rather than a wage reduction structure because you havent been in the UCL for half the last 10 years so the starting point must be to earn a bonus for qualifying rather than to lose some of your basic for not..
posted on 5/7/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought he’d be higher than that.
Though I’m skeptical of what our players are supposedly earning.
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Yeah, I don't know where all of the data comes from.
All of those figures I gave above were from spotrac; but I've seen the same/similar published elsewhere.
According to them, Pogba was paid in total (agent aside) £90m by United. B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Bonkers, as Mr Rascal would say.
posted on 5/7/22
It’s not a bonus if they make CL, it’s a reduction if they don’t, and they didn’t. Very well documented to, just look it up. You don’t need to decide whether it’s likely or not based on your own assumptions.
posted on 5/7/22
Devonshirespur
I'm just repeating what has been widely reported.
https://theathletic.com/3279361/2022/05/04/citys-team-deal-uniteds-25-per-cent-pay-cuts-football-bonuses-and-how-they-work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10781967/Manchester-United-stars-set-25-cent-wage-cut-Champions-League-failure.html
https://www.sportbible.com/football/cristiano-ronaldo-is-upset-at-reported-25-salary-reduction-20220705
posted on 5/7/22
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Devonshirespur
I'm just repeating what has been widely reported.
https://theathletic.com/3279361/2022/05/04/citys-team-deal-uniteds-25-per-cent-pay-cuts-football-bonuses-and-how-they-work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10781967/Manchester-United-stars-set-25-cent-wage-cut-Champions-League-failure.html
https://www.sportbible.com/football/cristiano-ronaldo-is-upset-at-reported-25-salary-reduction-20220705
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Wow, thats a really surprising approach.
Surprising that its so much, its a wage reduction and also that your team almost gave up at the end of the season.
IMO always harder to lose something you have than never gain something you didnt have in teh first place.' It would breed resentment if my wages were cut and I felt like I had delivered. And what an unhappy bunch they would be.
Remarkable approach the more i think about it. Sort of defies logic. May be just a legacy of the "good old days" when top 4 was a given.
posted on 5/7/22
Spotrac is notoriously dodgy.
Either way, we’ll stand to reduce the wage bill significantly this season.
It’ll be interesting to see how we go about negotiating contracts now that Woodward has left. I know the image rights thing was his idea, and why our players are reportedly earning higher base wages than a lot of players at other big clubs.
If it’s believed that United are looking to expand the analytics department to replicate the kind of running that Liverpool and City are, we may see a shift towards a more heavily incentivised wage bill.
posted on 5/7/22
Ten Hag has known about this lad for a long time and whilst left back isn't the pressing position this window, he shares the same agent as De Jong. He was talking him up last year and obviously sees him as a big talent. In fact, quite a lot of people have been. He's not some random chump that we've been conned into buying.
My ignorant assumption at this point is that Ten Hag has liked the player for more than a year. He couldn't really sign him at Ajax because of their rivalry but has had him on hsi radar for a while. I'm sure that whilst speaking to De Jong's team, they were or became aware Ten Hag liked the player and they've said something along the lines of "Lyon have agreed a deal, he would be very interested in United, there's a deal that can be done there if you're interested...."
With the fee involved and the potential of the player, it absolutely makes sense to grab him.
What I don't get though is I often see fans complaining that we don't buy these players until they smash it at the likes of Dortmund, Lyon, Ajax etc and we pay £50/60/70 million for them but then when we do make a buy like that, there's still whinging and complaining because "it's not a position we need" or they don't immediately and obviously improve the first team so what's the point? We actually make more of these transfers than a lot of people realise. I see a lot of moaning about our scouts and I'm sure we could and should do a lot better in that department but at the time, most of the youth players I see peolle crying to be given a chance have been brought in at a young age through scouting. Hannibal, Garnacho, McNeil, Hernandez were all brought in, to name a few. They are part of what the scouting team do.
Seems to me like it was just a case of a good deal at a good time for a promising player who was already on the manager's radar. It won't affect whatever budget we had planned and he could well force his way into the team. I think it's a great signing and a slight indication that our forward planning and transfer strategy is changing.
He might not work out but he represents the type of signing we should be making 1-3 of in a window. If he doesn't work out, he probably still fetches more than what we paid for him. Another thing I see a lot of moaning about us not being able to do.
I think you have to really pessimistic and miserable to not feel positive in any way about this signing.
posted on 5/7/22
Its a tricky position for a top club though.
Players get game time in these continental clubs but if you are a top PL team its very difficult to blood youngsters, unless they are really exceptional.
The higher up the tree you are, the more you almost have to accept that you pay someone else to give these players experience, by effectively letting them develop them and paying £50m for a player rather than £15m 2-3 years earlier. Young players end up having to learn their trade in front of huge crowds expecting you to be quality and consistent and win. Not always the ideal environment for development.
Chelsea kinda got it right in buying loads at a young age and loaning them out all over the place. they at least made some money even if the player didnt turn out to be good enough for their squad.
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