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posted on 6/7/22

comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
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Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...

posted on 6/7/22

I don't know anything about Starmer but he surely can't be a credible opposition to Boris??

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - it’s Andrew Tate’s world and we’re just living in it. (U22716)
posted 10 seconds ago
Angela Raynor is the one imo. She could get elected and bring about some actual change.
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I think she’s too divisive. Wouldn’t sway the swing voters.
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and her accent makes her sound thick.
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cos all Mancs are thick. Right?

posted on 6/7/22

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
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Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...
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It's also standard practice in British politics for all opposition parties to not publish a full set of alternative policies until the run-up to an election. The idea is that if they announce policies midway through the term of the governing party, it looks impotent because they can't enact the policies, and then when an election campaign comes along, they lose the advantage of getting the buzz of publicity from launching the manifesto.

Personally, I think Starmer's Labour could have done a much better job of setting out an alternative vision, if not going too deeply into policy specifics. I'm sure there's value in basically keeping quiet and letting Johnson dig his own political grave, but they'd be stronger if they gave the public more positive reasons to like Labour, rather than relying on growing hatred of the Tories. That said, this is a question of communication strategies, not substance. Labour would govern the UK very differently and not nearly as disastrously compared to the Tories.

posted on 6/7/22

Steve Bray is back

https://twitter.com/rachaelvenables/status/1544581549374554114?s=21&t=iho1wfeToZwFjErhi97Q7A

posted on 6/7/22

Labour is the only political party currently offering effective policy to deal with the Brexit induced, cost-of-living crisis.

The fact that the Sun, Mail and Express refuse to inform their readers about it says a lot more about their readers than it does the UK Labour party.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - it’s Andrew Tate’s world and we’re just living in it. (U22716)
posted 10 seconds ago
Angela Raynor is the one imo. She could get elected and bring about some actual change.
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I think she’s too divisive. Wouldn’t sway the swing voters.
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and her accent makes her sound thick.
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cos all Mancs are thick. Right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You ever hear how those bumpkins from Devon speak what they consider English?

posted on 6/7/22

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - it’s Andrew Tate’s world and we’re just living in it. (U22716)
posted 10 seconds ago
Angela Raynor is the one imo. She could get elected and bring about some actual change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think she’s too divisive. Wouldn’t sway the swing voters.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

and her accent makes her sound thick.
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cos all Mancs are thick. Right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You ever hear how those bumpkins from Devon speak what they consider English?
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maybe he thinks that smiling Prof Brian Cox sound thick, too?

posted on 6/7/22

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its easy being in opposition, say what you want, sound like a saviour, not ever having to fear delivering what you promise or indeed explain how it would be afforded....especially in times of crisis like this.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its easy being in opposition, say what you want, sound like a saviour, not ever having to fear delivering what you promise or indeed explain how it would be afforded....especially in times of crisis like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
... so labour do now have declared policies, in fact.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - it’s Andrew Tate’s world and we’re just living in it. (U22716)
posted 10 seconds ago
Angela Raynor is the one imo. She could get elected and bring about some actual change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think she’s too divisive. Wouldn’t sway the swing voters.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

and her accent makes her sound thick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
cos all Mancs are thick. Right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You ever hear how those bumpkins from Devon speak what they consider English?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Too rite mah booty. Dont see or hear many in places of power, or indeed on the BBC which seems to excessively embrace the norvern accent as well as those incapable of pronouncing their T's. "Nex on da Beeb, iz da news innit"

posted on 6/7/22

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its easy being in opposition, say what you want, sound like a saviour, not ever having to fear delivering what you promise or indeed explain how it would be afforded....especially in times of crisis like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
... so labour do now have declared policies, in fact.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

sorry. what? I dont understand

posted on 6/7/22

Javid has gone IN on pmqs🙈😂

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its easy being in opposition, say what you want, sound like a saviour, not ever having to fear delivering what you promise or indeed explain how it would be afforded....especially in times of crisis like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
... so labour do now have declared policies, in fact.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

sorry. what? I dont understand
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Imagine my shock

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
Starmer and Labour have no polices or ideas these days. Starmers only selling point was that he’s not Johnson. He’ll struggle when the Tories appoint someone who looks smarter and appears more sensible Media will tell everyone it’s all fine now, and the Tories will lead in the polls again. The country is pretty fecked either way, no Tories or anyone running labour these days have any desire actually change things for the better for 95% of the population
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour under Starmer have called for:

- The temporary £20 UC uplift to be made permanent.
- Windfall tax on energy companies to offset energy costs
- Fuel duty tax cut to offset fuel costs
- Energy bills VAT cut
- Reverse the NI tax rise
- £10 an hour minimum wage
- End to zero hours contracts
- Ban on fire and rehire

But yes they have no policies and would be no different to the Tories...
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its easy being in opposition, say what you want, sound like a saviour, not ever having to fear delivering what you promise or indeed explain how it would be afforded....especially in times of crisis like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
... so labour do now have declared policies, in fact.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

sorry. what? I dont understand
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Imagine my shock
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So where are these declared policies? beyond just saying stuff, actually committing to them in a manifesto or policy pledge. As i understand it their national policy forum 2022 has barely finished its consultation process and their only other "declared policies" are from their last party conference (2021) so out of date in respect of some of the issues we face today.

So excuse my confusion if these "declared policies" are nothing more than the reactive "we should do A B and C" statements, which they are not committed to in any way and, as already stated, are not costed in the same way as say a manifesto pledge etc.

posted on 6/7/22

What do you actually want?

A new, fully-costed, up-to-the-minute manifesto delivered each and every month?

Labour don’t really do things any differently to the other political parties in terms of their policy management and publication.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
What do you actually want?

A new, fully-costed, up-to-the-minute manifesto delivered each and every month?

Labour don’t really do things any differently to the other political parties in terms of their policy management and publication.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mate, i said its easy being opposition as you can say/promise anything you want.

I was laughed at and told Labour have declared policies.

If there is nothing stronger to back up these "declared policies", then they are effectively not worth the paper they are written on, supporting my statement that being in opposition is easy as you can make these claims and statements freely, as a reaction and without costing or committing to anything you say.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
What do you actually want?

A new, fully-costed, up-to-the-minute manifesto delivered each and every month?

Labour don’t really do things any differently to the other political parties in terms of their policy management and publication.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mate, i said its easy being opposition as you can say/promise anything you want.

I was laughed at and told Labour have declared policies.

If there is nothing stronger to back up these "declared policies", then they are effectively not worth the paper they are written on, supporting my statement that being in opposition is easy as you can make these claims and statements freely, as a reaction and without costing or committing to anything you say.

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still laughing at you.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
What do you actually want?

A new, fully-costed, up-to-the-minute manifesto delivered each and every month?

Labour don’t really do things any differently to the other political parties in terms of their policy management and publication.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mate, i said its easy being opposition as you can say/promise anything you want.

I was laughed at and told Labour have declared policies.

If there is nothing stronger to back up these "declared policies", then they are effectively not worth the paper they are written on, supporting my statement that being in opposition is easy as you can make these claims and statements freely, as a reaction and without costing or committing to anything you say.

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still laughing at you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

simple things.....

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
What do you actually want?

A new, fully-costed, up-to-the-minute manifesto delivered each and every month?

Labour don’t really do things any differently to the other political parties in terms of their policy management and publication.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mate, i said its easy being opposition as you can say/promise anything you want.

I was laughed at and told Labour have declared policies.

If there is nothing stronger to back up these "declared policies", then they are effectively not worth the paper they are written on, supporting my statement that being in opposition is easy as you can make these claims and statements freely, as a reaction and without costing or committing to anything you say.

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still laughing at you.
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simple things.....
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….. take you 72 sentences to write?

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
What do you actually want?

A new, fully-costed, up-to-the-minute manifesto delivered each and every month?

Labour don’t really do things any differently to the other political parties in terms of their policy management and publication.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mate, i said its easy being opposition as you can say/promise anything you want.

I was laughed at and told Labour have declared policies.

If there is nothing stronger to back up these "declared policies", then they are effectively not worth the paper they are written on, supporting my statement that being in opposition is easy as you can make these claims and statements freely, as a reaction and without costing or committing to anything you say.

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still laughing at you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

simple things.....
----------------------------------------------------------------------

….. take you 72 sentences to write?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

posted on 6/7/22

England is a bit of a joke isn't it? Should UK power be taken away from England and the UK be run by a Scotland/Wales/NI coalition? You can't keep just refusing to let go of power for selfish reasons. Your time is up England

posted on 6/7/22

You talk as if there is a competent government in Holyrood.

posted on 6/7/22

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 16 minutes ago
You talk as if there is a competent government in Holyrood.
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Would you say it is less competent than in Westminster?

posted on 6/7/22

There’s a lot of grey area under that whataboutery

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