I’ve no doubt over time his status as a club legend will grow. He stayed at the club too long and that period probably clouds the fans view of him. Probably will never get the love the lads who came up from the youth teams do though.
Rooney was class for United. Scored in big games as well as against the lower-placed teams. Combined well with others. If he doesn’t get into all-time XIs, it’s largely because we have had so many legends in attack.
I also think he gets more stick than he deserves for his England career.
I also think he gets more stick than he deserves for his England career.
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Absolutely this. 53 goals for England, yet he was often derided for scoring against lesser teams. Kane gets nothing but praise for doing the same these days. In fact everyone does. When it was Rooney, it was almost as if it was wrong for him to do so.
Suffered from being selected for major tournaments when he clearly wasn't fit enough to go. 2006, after breaking his foot and stupidly being played up front on his own when he couldn't run around. And 2010, again shouldn't have gone and unfortunately had a big wardrobe playing next to him.
2014, he was fit and healthy, Englands best goal threat and Hodgson shoehorns as many Liverpool players into the team as possible and sticks Rooney on the left wing...
Rooney is a scouser. I hate scousers.
He's one of our best ever players. I think the City transfer incident sadly tainted him in the eyes of some fans though. However when you look back now to 2010 he had a point. We sold Ronaldo for 80m in 2009 and bought Valencia (16m), Owen (Free) and Obertan (5m)
Glazernomics. The sad thing was Fergie even covered for them with the 'no value in the market' tripe. I adore Fergie but that moment still stings me.
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comment by Kula Shaker (U22832)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rooney is a scouser. I hate scousers.
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Kula Shaker on in town tonight. Are you going?
I loved the player... He revitalised my passion for football, truth be told.
I guess he doesn't get mentioned much in those "best XI" lines up as the competition is just insane. We've had so many amazing players.
Familiarity breeds contempt, particularly in an age where we're hungry for novelty and we can effortlessly watch all the world's great players elsewhere. Rooney suffers for being high profile (for a long time), as well as for the hype and expectation that arose from how good he was at such a young age.
By the way, Beckham is another player who deserves to be celebrated far more than he is.
Wanted to jump ship to your city rivals, can you be a legend when you come out with that...
Great player when he was young but aged horribly. Coincidentally that is also his preference when it comes to women.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Familiarity breeds contempt, particularly in an age where we're hungry for novelty and we can effortlessly watch all the world's great players elsewhere. Rooney suffers for being high profile (for a long time), as well as for the hype and expectation that arose from how good he was at such a young age.
By the way, Beckham is another player who deserves to be celebrated far more than he is.
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totally agree, i think Becks is one of the most underated players going
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
To answer the OP, no. He didnt when he was with us and he doesnt now.
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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You comparing no.9s with someone who player 90% of his career as a no.10.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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You comparing no.9s with someone who player 90% of his career as a no.10.
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90%?
Pretty much every line up until about 2016 has Rooney up front. Some games he dropped deep cos we were playing shiiite. But just take a look at the historic line ups.
Even in 2016 he was up front and he left soon after that:
https://imgresizer.eurosport.com/unsafe/0x0/filters:format(jpeg):focal(1476x569:1478x567)/origin-imgresizer.eurosport.com/2015/08/07/1655513.jpg
Rooney is the best
Snatching him from newcastle back then was such a pivotal transfer. Many underestimate the significance of Rooney.
Many epl teams were having to transition to a 3 man midfied to combat the trend in europe and european managers like wenger and jose. Rooney was the reason utd did not have to make this transition. His workrate as a ss meant we were not overrun in midfield despite playeng against 3 men midfield except in the 2 finals vs barca.
I previously made an article on fernandes doing more. This is simply because Rooney did so much to ensure our midfield was never over run. Granted we had better cms then but I believe even they would have struggled without rooney
Rooney sacrificed so much of himself for the team glory. He is one of utd's greatest and I hope he is remembered as such
Great player, and was an unplayable raw talent in the early days
Nothing now except a fat granny fiddling 💩
Rooney is easily in my top five United Players of my life time.
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
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Barry gets another.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
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Barry gets another.
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not really tho, but whatever I guess
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
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Ruud and Shearer both scored loads, but didn't assist as much as Rooney. There is nothing between them in terms of goal involvements per minute in the PL:
Ruud - 1 every 116 minutes
Shearer - 1 every 117 minutes
Rooney - 1 every 118 minutes
When you consider how influential Rooney was in our build up play for a large period of his time at United, there is an argument that he was a better player than Shearer.
An article from 2015-2016 season saying that Rooney should drop back from his CF position now that he doesn't have the pace. He was in his 30s then. He also didn't score for England again after that season so he was basically finished. More proof that Rooney played almost all of his career as a forward and our perceptions are lying to us.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34633786
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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Agreed - I would have him in our best XI but at LB for his graft and defensive qualities
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
Wanted to jump ship to your city rivals, can you be a legend when you come out with that...
Great player when he was young but aged horribly. Coincidentally that is also his preference when it comes to women.
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worked for gerrard.
he likes horribly aged women?
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posted on 6/7/22
I’ve no doubt over time his status as a club legend will grow. He stayed at the club too long and that period probably clouds the fans view of him. Probably will never get the love the lads who came up from the youth teams do though.
posted on 6/7/22
Rooney was class for United. Scored in big games as well as against the lower-placed teams. Combined well with others. If he doesn’t get into all-time XIs, it’s largely because we have had so many legends in attack.
I also think he gets more stick than he deserves for his England career.
posted on 6/7/22
I also think he gets more stick than he deserves for his England career.
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Absolutely this. 53 goals for England, yet he was often derided for scoring against lesser teams. Kane gets nothing but praise for doing the same these days. In fact everyone does. When it was Rooney, it was almost as if it was wrong for him to do so.
Suffered from being selected for major tournaments when he clearly wasn't fit enough to go. 2006, after breaking his foot and stupidly being played up front on his own when he couldn't run around. And 2010, again shouldn't have gone and unfortunately had a big wardrobe playing next to him.
2014, he was fit and healthy, Englands best goal threat and Hodgson shoehorns as many Liverpool players into the team as possible and sticks Rooney on the left wing...
posted on 6/7/22
Rooney is a scouser. I hate scousers.
posted on 6/7/22
He's one of our best ever players. I think the City transfer incident sadly tainted him in the eyes of some fans though. However when you look back now to 2010 he had a point. We sold Ronaldo for 80m in 2009 and bought Valencia (16m), Owen (Free) and Obertan (5m)
Glazernomics. The sad thing was Fergie even covered for them with the 'no value in the market' tripe. I adore Fergie but that moment still stings me.
posted on 6/7/22
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posted on 6/7/22
comment by Kula Shaker (U22832)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rooney is a scouser. I hate scousers.
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Kula Shaker on in town tonight. Are you going?
posted on 6/7/22
I loved the player... He revitalised my passion for football, truth be told.
I guess he doesn't get mentioned much in those "best XI" lines up as the competition is just insane. We've had so many amazing players.
posted on 6/7/22
Familiarity breeds contempt, particularly in an age where we're hungry for novelty and we can effortlessly watch all the world's great players elsewhere. Rooney suffers for being high profile (for a long time), as well as for the hype and expectation that arose from how good he was at such a young age.
By the way, Beckham is another player who deserves to be celebrated far more than he is.
posted on 6/7/22
Wanted to jump ship to your city rivals, can you be a legend when you come out with that...
Great player when he was young but aged horribly. Coincidentally that is also his preference when it comes to women.
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Familiarity breeds contempt, particularly in an age where we're hungry for novelty and we can effortlessly watch all the world's great players elsewhere. Rooney suffers for being high profile (for a long time), as well as for the hype and expectation that arose from how good he was at such a young age.
By the way, Beckham is another player who deserves to be celebrated far more than he is.
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totally agree, i think Becks is one of the most underated players going
posted on 6/7/22
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
posted on 6/7/22
To answer the OP, no. He didnt when he was with us and he doesnt now.
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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You comparing no.9s with someone who player 90% of his career as a no.10.
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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You comparing no.9s with someone who player 90% of his career as a no.10.
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90%?
Pretty much every line up until about 2016 has Rooney up front. Some games he dropped deep cos we were playing shiiite. But just take a look at the historic line ups.
Even in 2016 he was up front and he left soon after that:
https://imgresizer.eurosport.com/unsafe/0x0/filters:format(jpeg):focal(1476x569:1478x567)/origin-imgresizer.eurosport.com/2015/08/07/1655513.jpg
posted on 6/7/22
Rooney is the best
Snatching him from newcastle back then was such a pivotal transfer. Many underestimate the significance of Rooney.
Many epl teams were having to transition to a 3 man midfied to combat the trend in europe and european managers like wenger and jose. Rooney was the reason utd did not have to make this transition. His workrate as a ss meant we were not overrun in midfield despite playeng against 3 men midfield except in the 2 finals vs barca.
I previously made an article on fernandes doing more. This is simply because Rooney did so much to ensure our midfield was never over run. Granted we had better cms then but I believe even they would have struggled without rooney
Rooney sacrificed so much of himself for the team glory. He is one of utd's greatest and I hope he is remembered as such
posted on 6/7/22
Great player, and was an unplayable raw talent in the early days
Nothing now except a fat granny fiddling 💩
posted on 6/7/22
Rooney is easily in my top five United Players of my life time.
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
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Barry gets another.
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
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Barry gets another.
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not really tho, but whatever I guess
posted on 6/7/22
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 36 minutes ago
I am the world's best Rooney fan but he only managed to score 20+ league goals in 2 seasons of his human life.
RvN managed it 4 times in 5 seasons at us. Diego Costa did it twice in 4 seasons as Chelsea's fabled number 9. Even Kevin Phillips managed it 3 times in a row for lowly Sunderland. More than Rooney managed in his career. Vardy 3 times. Alan Shearer 7 times!
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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now this is a case study worth discussing
people are atimes to obssessed with goals losing track of the big picture . I love RVN but despite his goals utd could not win the competitions that mattered
balance is key and rooney gave utd the balance we needed as a team
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Ruud and Shearer both scored loads, but didn't assist as much as Rooney. There is nothing between them in terms of goal involvements per minute in the PL:
Ruud - 1 every 116 minutes
Shearer - 1 every 117 minutes
Rooney - 1 every 118 minutes
When you consider how influential Rooney was in our build up play for a large period of his time at United, there is an argument that he was a better player than Shearer.
posted on 6/7/22
An article from 2015-2016 season saying that Rooney should drop back from his CF position now that he doesn't have the pace. He was in his 30s then. He also didn't score for England again after that season so he was basically finished. More proof that Rooney played almost all of his career as a forward and our perceptions are lying to us.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34633786
posted on 6/7/22
Rooney would be in the our best XI if you considered tracking back stats, which you should. But not as a goalscorer.
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Agreed - I would have him in our best XI but at LB for his graft and defensive qualities
posted on 6/7/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
Wanted to jump ship to your city rivals, can you be a legend when you come out with that...
Great player when he was young but aged horribly. Coincidentally that is also his preference when it comes to women.
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worked for gerrard.
he likes horribly aged women?
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