comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 27 seconds ago
History is also going to look back at Brexit and say:
1. It was comfortably the stupidest act of self-sabotage of the political era.
2. Even if we accept it had to go ahead, the Tories’ handling of it, particularly by Johnson’s cabal, was spectacularly incompetent and has resulted in a truly desperate outcome for the UK.
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That’s a matter of opinion
I believe history will say it’s the best the UK did in the past 50 years - to separate ourselves from the cesspit and corruption of the EU and to own our own independence - the best thing Britain has done, and history will do on to show and prove this
But then again, that’s just MY opinion
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It is an opinion; but there are also measurable outcomes, both quantitative (economic growth, balance of trade, inward investment, productivity, debt, quality of life indices, healthcare outcomes, happiness indices, etc.) and qualitative (strategic geopolitical power, diplomatic reach and influence, academic and cultural influence, environmental and public health protections, safety standards, etc.).
None of those are going to shine a positive light on Brexit.
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yeah but it's a messy divorce. We were never going to leave and everything be great from day 1. Since then covid which has compounded everything.
So right now it is impossible to say how history will look back on this decision. Were still fighting over access for the kids and making bitchy comments about our former partner. In time things will improve.
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They may improve, of course. But there are fundamental and unavoidable negatives which come with Brexit - particularly the form of it the Tories have chosen - which simply cannot be fully ameliorated by another other means.
There is literally no way to get around the fact that leaving the SM and CU has baked in the loss of whole percentage points from GDP. Those points are gone, and they can’t be regained elsewhere by any means.
There is literally no way to get around the fact that percentage points have been shaved off exports and off balance of trade. Australians and New Zealanders don’t want to, and couldn’t if they spent every cent in their economies, offer a new home to the UK’s lost exports to the EU.
There’s no point in pretending that hundreds of billions of pounds worth of asset and securities management hasn’t already moved out of London, never to return whilst Britain chooses to sit economically isolated from the continent.
There *are* things that could be being done by govt to help the UK economy and British businesses, from micro to multinational, during this exceptionally difficult period. Like change their ridiculous and self-harming visa rules to allow farmers to collect their harvests, hotels to run to capacity, and care homes to employ enough staff to at least safely, if not even comfortably, look after their residents.
But they’ve decided that already having chosen to compete in the race in concrete boots, they’re also going to run it facing backwards.
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Mate, i voted remain. I was open minded but never convinced to leave. There was always going to be a lot of pain, a lot of irreversible negative changes (like a divorce) but we will have to go through a lot of structural changes to develop ourselves into a highy successful economy outside of this union, of which there are many examples of.
To me, judging it now is like hiring a manager in the post-Fergie era, knowing it will be a painful transition so giving him a 6 year contract to effect this change, and then judging him after 6 months and changing course!
I am not saying Brexit was right or a good thing. Just that its happened. We have to make it work and its too early to judge whether it is or ever will.
I 100% agree that the Govt are implementing it in a dreadful way, with the shortage of labour being an obvious failing. From fruit pickers to builders to nurses to bar staff...it is crippling almost every sector, driving up prices. Farmers near me are producing less because they know they cannot harvest at normal levels. Its affecting businesses and contributing to inflation. Its bonkers, blinded by an entrenched view on migration.
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posted on 7/7/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 27 seconds ago
History is also going to look back at Brexit and say:
1. It was comfortably the stupidest act of self-sabotage of the political era.
2. Even if we accept it had to go ahead, the Tories’ handling of it, particularly by Johnson’s cabal, was spectacularly incompetent and has resulted in a truly desperate outcome for the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s a matter of opinion
I believe history will say it’s the best the UK did in the past 50 years - to separate ourselves from the cesspit and corruption of the EU and to own our own independence - the best thing Britain has done, and history will do on to show and prove this
But then again, that’s just MY opinion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is an opinion; but there are also measurable outcomes, both quantitative (economic growth, balance of trade, inward investment, productivity, debt, quality of life indices, healthcare outcomes, happiness indices, etc.) and qualitative (strategic geopolitical power, diplomatic reach and influence, academic and cultural influence, environmental and public health protections, safety standards, etc.).
None of those are going to shine a positive light on Brexit.
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yeah but it's a messy divorce. We were never going to leave and everything be great from day 1. Since then covid which has compounded everything.
So right now it is impossible to say how history will look back on this decision. Were still fighting over access for the kids and making bitchy comments about our former partner. In time things will improve.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may improve, of course. But there are fundamental and unavoidable negatives which come with Brexit - particularly the form of it the Tories have chosen - which simply cannot be fully ameliorated by another other means.
There is literally no way to get around the fact that leaving the SM and CU has baked in the loss of whole percentage points from GDP. Those points are gone, and they can’t be regained elsewhere by any means.
There is literally no way to get around the fact that percentage points have been shaved off exports and off balance of trade. Australians and New Zealanders don’t want to, and couldn’t if they spent every cent in their economies, offer a new home to the UK’s lost exports to the EU.
There’s no point in pretending that hundreds of billions of pounds worth of asset and securities management hasn’t already moved out of London, never to return whilst Britain chooses to sit economically isolated from the continent.
There *are* things that could be being done by govt to help the UK economy and British businesses, from micro to multinational, during this exceptionally difficult period. Like change their ridiculous and self-harming visa rules to allow farmers to collect their harvests, hotels to run to capacity, and care homes to employ enough staff to at least safely, if not even comfortably, look after their residents.
But they’ve decided that already having chosen to compete in the race in concrete boots, they’re also going to run it facing backwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate, i voted remain. I was open minded but never convinced to leave. There was always going to be a lot of pain, a lot of irreversible negative changes (like a divorce) but we will have to go through a lot of structural changes to develop ourselves into a highy successful economy outside of this union, of which there are many examples of.
To me, judging it now is like hiring a manager in the post-Fergie era, knowing it will be a painful transition so giving him a 6 year contract to effect this change, and then judging him after 6 months and changing course!
I am not saying Brexit was right or a good thing. Just that its happened. We have to make it work and its too early to judge whether it is or ever will.
I 100% agree that the Govt are implementing it in a dreadful way, with the shortage of labour being an obvious failing. From fruit pickers to builders to nurses to bar staff...it is crippling almost every sector, driving up prices. Farmers near me are producing less because they know they cannot harvest at normal levels. Its affecting businesses and contributing to inflation. Its bonkers, blinded by an entrenched view on migration.
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