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People act like there’s security in women’s toilets that stops men going in there anyway.
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I've seen some buIlshit stuff on this site over the years but pretending to be worried about women's safety in public bathrooms is right up there.
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Rapists are obviously ones to follow the rules. Telling them not to go into women’s toilets is clearly a massive deterrent.
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Because thieves don't follow the rules, you don't help them by leaving your valuables unprotected either.

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But women are unprotected in toilets already. How many rapes are in public toilets?

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I ask again, are people really serious about protecting women, and is that really their main concern here?

If so, then do they agree that we need to be:

a) *listening to what women are actually saying they want and need*, and

b) following the data, and then given that both of those things align,

c) performing an immediate root-and-branch of domestic violence policy and domestic sexx abuse policy to better protect, help and support the hundreds of thousands of British women who have been or are being abused by their partners and former partners?

- Improving access to and availability of specialist policing units, healthcare and counselling/therapy
- Prioritising criminal cases involving domestic violence and abuse
- Investing in specialist prosecution units
- Reviewing burdens of proof in domestic violence and abuse cases
- Dedicating protected court time
- Doing more to protect women from former offenders
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That's all great, but you've dodged my points.

There are many issues to this, such as where do you draw the line? You don't know, you'll just bend with the wind and use logical fallacies to defend it.
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Well, what exactly do you mean by, “Where do you draw the line? “

There isn’t a sliding scale here. We’re talking about specific and distinct issues relating to trans rights, women’s rights and women’s safety (amongst other things), and trying to find the right balance that best protects and respects everybody.

If you want to talk logical fallacies, “Where do you draw the line? “ sounds a lot like a slippery slope argument, btw.

But if you have specific questions you want to pose, put them and ask for opinions. (Apologies if you’ve done this and I’ve missed them; I’ve been desperately trying to keep up with the new poster, Terry Munro.)
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If you are truly looking to find the right balance then it would be to protect the 24% of woman who would be uncomfortable having a trans person use their toilets? Unless of course you think that over 24% of the “uk population” are trans and will offended by it?

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It was 17%, not 24%.

And this isn’t a matter of who is or isn’t offended; nobody should be concerned about that. People will decide that they’re offended by all manner of things.

It’s a matter of rights and it’s a matter of protections.
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So you protect those that feel unsafe or are uncomfortable rather than pander to those offended surely?

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What if trans are afraid to use male toilets since men are statistically more likely to be violent? Why aren't you interested in protecting the trans people?

What if trans are afraid to use male toilets since men are statistically more likely to be violent? Why aren't you interested in protecting the trans people?
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This is an important point. I’d be more worried for a trans person in a men’s toilet than women being attacked by a transperson in a women’s toilet.

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This poll, as several others have done, shows a clear majority in favour of allowing trans women to use women’s bathrooms

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A majority of the poll. NOT a majority of the population as you have said. There is a clear difference, surely you can see that?

As to evidence to the contrary your own link shows that more and more woman have issues with trans being allowed in woman’s refuges and woman’s toilets. The trend is that more and more are concerned. There’s your evidence
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Are you unaware of the concept of having a representative sample?
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As a theory, or as a representation, Yes. But not as evidentiary proof as has been stated.

Do you think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the population of the UK voted for both Brexit and the tories at the last election?

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Interesting straw man.

This example refers to how people generally feel, and is captured by a representative survey of over 1600 people.

Your question is a straw man because it tries to make a comparison between what representative survey tells us people feel about an issue, and a record of an action (voting a certain way) that people took. Its not a valid comparison.

Presumably you were aiming for the idea that the vast majority supported brexit and the tories (eg does the voting represent the wider country) and the answer is quite factually no. The brexit vote got 52% which is not a vast majority. The tories got less than 50% which is not a majority whatsoever.
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So do you believe that the majority of the UK Population voted for Brexit?

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No, because we have concrete evidence that this isn't true. It is also entirely irrelevant as I have already explained to you (you don't seem to have grasped.

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I’m glad you agree that you cannot take the votes and opinions of a certain small part of the population and then say that it is the opinion of the entire population 👍

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I didn't agree to that. You were just incapable of actually asking the question that you were trying to ask. It isnt my fault that you can't understand the difference between the number of people who might support something and the number of people who actually voted.
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Oh I can differentiate between the both no problem. I also know that a straw poll of 1600 people or so cannot then be called the “UK Population”

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comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
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People act like there’s security in women’s toilets that stops men going in there anyway.
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I've seen some buIlshit stuff on this site over the years but pretending to be worried about women's safety in public bathrooms is right up there.
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Rapists are obviously ones to follow the rules. Telling them not to go into women’s toilets is clearly a massive deterrent.
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Because thieves don't follow the rules, you don't help them by leaving your valuables unprotected either.

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But women are unprotected in toilets already. How many rapes are in public toilets?
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They are protected because it is a woman only space.
Surely you have heard of the crime triangle. Women only bathrooms cater to reducing the opportunity and ability. Yes, if the desire is strong enough eventhat isn't strong enough deterence.

But likeI said previously, you don't get rid of your front door their are still houses with doors and locks being burgled

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comment by RIP Terry Munro (U22874)
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This poll, as several others have done, shows a clear majority in favour of allowing trans women to use women’s bathrooms

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A majority of the poll. NOT a majority of the population as you have said. There is a clear difference, surely you can see that?

As to evidence to the contrary your own link shows that more and more woman have issues with trans being allowed in woman’s refuges and woman’s toilets. The trend is that more and more are concerned. There’s your evidence
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Are you unaware of the concept of having a representative sample?
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As a theory, or as a representation, Yes. But not as evidentiary proof as has been stated.

Do you think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the population of the UK voted for both Brexit and the tories at the last election?

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Interesting straw man.

This example refers to how people generally feel, and is captured by a representative survey of over 1600 people.

Your question is a straw man because it tries to make a comparison between what representative survey tells us people feel about an issue, and a record of an action (voting a certain way) that people took. Its not a valid comparison.

Presumably you were aiming for the idea that the vast majority supported brexit and the tories (eg does the voting represent the wider country) and the answer is quite factually no. The brexit vote got 52% which is not a vast majority. The tories got less than 50% which is not a majority whatsoever.
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So do you believe that the majority of the UK Population voted for Brexit?

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No, because we have concrete evidence that this isn't true. It is also entirely irrelevant as I have already explained to you (you don't seem to have grasped.

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I’m glad you agree that you cannot take the votes and opinions of a certain small part of the population and then say that it is the opinion of the entire population 👍

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I didn't agree to that. You were just incapable of actually asking the question that you were trying to ask. It isnt my fault that you can't understand the difference between the number of people who might support something and the number of people who actually voted.
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Oh I can differentiate between the both no problem. I also know that a straw poll of 1600 people or so cannot then be called the “UK Population”

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It cam easily be representative of the views of the UK Population, especially with 1600 respondents.

Just like Brexit could very easily have been representative of the UK Population. This is different from suggesting that a majority voted in favour of brexit.

So your point was completely irrelevant and achieved nothing, which I explained to you about 4 posts ago.

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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
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People act like there’s security in women’s toilets that stops men going in there anyway.
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I've seen some buIlshit stuff on this site over the years but pretending to be worried about women's safety in public bathrooms is right up there.
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Rapists are obviously ones to follow the rules. Telling them not to go into women’s toilets is clearly a massive deterrent.
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Because thieves don't follow the rules, you don't help them by leaving your valuables unprotected either.

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But women are unprotected in toilets already. How many rapes are in public toilets?
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They are protected because it is a woman only space.
Surely you have heard of the crime triangle. Women only bathrooms cater to reducing the opportunity and ability. Yes, if the desire is strong enough eventhat isn't strong enough deterence.

But likeI said previously, you don't get rid of your front door their are still houses with doors and locks being burgled
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Rapists have pretty strong desires. Your analogy is stupid because trans people aren’t going around raping people. It’s just a homophobic trope.

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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
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comment by RIP Terry Munro (U22874)
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This poll, as several others have done, shows a clear majority in favour of allowing trans women to use women’s bathrooms

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A majority of the poll. NOT a majority of the population as you have said. There is a clear difference, surely you can see that?

As to evidence to the contrary your own link shows that more and more woman have issues with trans being allowed in woman’s refuges and woman’s toilets. The trend is that more and more are concerned. There’s your evidence
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Are you unaware of the concept of having a representative sample?
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As a theory, or as a representation, Yes. But not as evidentiary proof as has been stated.

Do you think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the population of the UK voted for both Brexit and the tories at the last election?

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Interesting straw man.

This example refers to how people generally feel, and is captured by a representative survey of over 1600 people.

Your question is a straw man because it tries to make a comparison between what representative survey tells us people feel about an issue, and a record of an action (voting a certain way) that people took. Its not a valid comparison.

Presumably you were aiming for the idea that the vast majority supported brexit and the tories (eg does the voting represent the wider country) and the answer is quite factually no. The brexit vote got 52% which is not a vast majority. The tories got less than 50% which is not a majority whatsoever.
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So do you believe that the majority of the UK Population voted for Brexit?

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No, because we have concrete evidence that this isn't true. It is also entirely irrelevant as I have already explained to you (you don't seem to have grasped.

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I’m glad you agree that you cannot take the votes and opinions of a certain small part of the population and then say that it is the opinion of the entire population 👍

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I didn't agree to that. You were just incapable of actually asking the question that you were trying to ask. It isnt my fault that you can't understand the difference between the number of people who might support something and the number of people who actually voted.
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Oh I can differentiate between the both no problem. I also know that a straw poll of 1600 people or so cannot then be called the “UK Population”

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It cam easily be representative of the views of the UK Population, especially with 1600 respondents.

Just like Brexit could very easily have been representative of the UK Population. This is different from suggesting that a majority voted in favour of brexit.

So your point was completely irrelevant and achieved nothing, which I explained to you about 4 posts ago.
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It is not irrelevant at all as you then have to say that it is a representation or say som thing “opinions polls would suggest”. You cannot take a poll of 1600 people and then say that this is evidence of what the uk population want. That is utter bollox!

And they aren’t protected because there’s nothing stopping a man going into a women’s toilets. Plenty of men do it already just to go for a shiiiiit.

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And they aren’t protected because there’s nothing stopping a man going into a women’s toilets. Plenty of men do it already just to go for a shiiiiit.
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Yep

Where do we draw the line indeed.

So we should have women only buses should we?

Women get attacked on public TRANSport all the time and yet I have never heard of this argument before really. But now it's a big deal and one of the most insane things in the world right now apparently.

Because if we leave that door unlocked we're basically asking for them to get raped in public (unless one of the men on here who instinctively can sense danger because they're a man foils it.)

I did actually use the womens toilets at work the other day. No rapes reported.

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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
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comment by RIP Terry Munro (U22874)
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This poll, as several others have done, shows a clear majority in favour of allowing trans women to use women’s bathrooms

¥+¥¥+

A majority of the poll. NOT a majority of the population as you have said. There is a clear difference, surely you can see that?

As to evidence to the contrary your own link shows that more and more woman have issues with trans being allowed in woman’s refuges and woman’s toilets. The trend is that more and more are concerned. There’s your evidence
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Are you unaware of the concept of having a representative sample?
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As a theory, or as a representation, Yes. But not as evidentiary proof as has been stated.

Do you think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the population of the UK voted for both Brexit and the tories at the last election?

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Interesting straw man.

This example refers to how people generally feel, and is captured by a representative survey of over 1600 people.

Your question is a straw man because it tries to make a comparison between what representative survey tells us people feel about an issue, and a record of an action (voting a certain way) that people took. Its not a valid comparison.

Presumably you were aiming for the idea that the vast majority supported brexit and the tories (eg does the voting represent the wider country) and the answer is quite factually no. The brexit vote got 52% which is not a vast majority. The tories got less than 50% which is not a majority whatsoever.
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So do you believe that the majority of the UK Population voted for Brexit?

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No, because we have concrete evidence that this isn't true. It is also entirely irrelevant as I have already explained to you (you don't seem to have grasped.

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I’m glad you agree that you cannot take the votes and opinions of a certain small part of the population and then say that it is the opinion of the entire population 👍

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I didn't agree to that. You were just incapable of actually asking the question that you were trying to ask. It isnt my fault that you can't understand the difference between the number of people who might support something and the number of people who actually voted.
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Oh I can differentiate between the both no problem. I also know that a straw poll of 1600 people or so cannot then be called the “UK Population”

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It cam easily be representative of the views of the UK Population, especially with 1600 respondents.

Just like Brexit could very easily have been representative of the UK Population. This is different from suggesting that a majority voted in favour of brexit.

So your point was completely irrelevant and achieved nothing, which I explained to you about 4 posts ago.
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It is not irrelevant at all as you then have to say that it is a representation or say som thing “opinions polls would suggest”. You cannot take a poll of 1600 people and then say that this is evidence of what the uk population want. That is utter bollox!

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Of coarse u can
That how all poles wurk ffs

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comment by RIP Terry Munro (U22874)
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
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comment by RIP Terry Munro (U22874)
posted 11 minutes ago
This poll, as several others have done, shows a clear majority in favour of allowing trans women to use women’s bathrooms

¥+¥¥+

A majority of the poll. NOT a majority of the population as you have said. There is a clear difference, surely you can see that?

As to evidence to the contrary your own link shows that more and more woman have issues with trans being allowed in woman’s refuges and woman’s toilets. The trend is that more and more are concerned. There’s your evidence
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Are you unaware of the concept of having a representative sample?
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As a theory, or as a representation, Yes. But not as evidentiary proof as has been stated.

Do you think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the population of the UK voted for both Brexit and the tories at the last election?

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Interesting straw man.

This example refers to how people generally feel, and is captured by a representative survey of over 1600 people.

Your question is a straw man because it tries to make a comparison between what representative survey tells us people feel about an issue, and a record of an action (voting a certain way) that people took. Its not a valid comparison.

Presumably you were aiming for the idea that the vast majority supported brexit and the tories (eg does the voting represent the wider country) and the answer is quite factually no. The brexit vote got 52% which is not a vast majority. The tories got less than 50% which is not a majority whatsoever.
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So do you believe that the majority of the UK Population voted for Brexit?

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No, because we have concrete evidence that this isn't true. It is also entirely irrelevant as I have already explained to you (you don't seem to have grasped.

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I’m glad you agree that you cannot take the votes and opinions of a certain small part of the population and then say that it is the opinion of the entire population 👍

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I didn't agree to that. You were just incapable of actually asking the question that you were trying to ask. It isnt my fault that you can't understand the difference between the number of people who might support something and the number of people who actually voted.
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Oh I can differentiate between the both no problem. I also know that a straw poll of 1600 people or so cannot then be called the “UK Population”

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It cam easily be representative of the views of the UK Population, especially with 1600 respondents.

Just like Brexit could very easily have been representative of the UK Population. This is different from suggesting that a majority voted in favour of brexit.

So your point was completely irrelevant and achieved nothing, which I explained to you about 4 posts ago.
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It is not irrelevant at all as you then have to say that it is a representation or say som thing “opinions polls would suggest”. You cannot take a poll of 1600 people and then say that this is evidence of what the uk population want. That is utter bollox!

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That is literally the point of a representative poll. Jesus

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
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comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
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People act like there’s security in women’s toilets that stops men going in there anyway.
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I've seen some buIlshit stuff on this site over the years but pretending to be worried about women's safety in public bathrooms is right up there.
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Rapists are obviously ones to follow the rules. Telling them not to go into women’s toilets is clearly a massive deterrent.
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Because thieves don't follow the rules, you don't help them by leaving your valuables unprotected either.

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But women are unprotected in toilets already. How many rapes are in public toilets?
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They are protected because it is a woman only space.
Surely you have heard of the crime triangle. Women only bathrooms cater to reducing the opportunity and ability. Yes, if the desire is strong enough eventhat isn't strong enough deterence.

But likeI said previously, you don't get rid of your front door their are still houses with doors and locks being burgled
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Rapists have pretty strong desires. Your analogy is stupid because trans people aren’t going around raping people. It’s just a homophobic trope.
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Now here we go with name calling, so predictable

Who brought up RAPE?. I didn't. I responded to a comment about rape by YOU. I personally am very careful not to bring up rape rather Italk about women only spaces. But if someone on the otherside wants to, I am happy to point out the flaws in their thinking.

But in typical fashion, once the flaws in your own logic is pointed out you dismiss the logic and resort to shaming language.

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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 23 minutes ago
I ask again, are people really serious about protecting women, and is that really their main concern here?

If so, then do they agree that we need to be:

a) *listening to what women are actually saying they want and need*, and

b) following the data, and then given that both of those things align,

c) performing an immediate root-and-branch of domestic violence policy and domestic sexx abuse policy to better protect, help and support the hundreds of thousands of British women who have been or are being abused by their partners and former partners?

- Improving access to and availability of specialist policing units, healthcare and counselling/therapy
- Prioritising criminal cases involving domestic violence and abuse
- Investing in specialist prosecution units
- Reviewing burdens of proof in domestic violence and abuse cases
- Dedicating protected court time
- Doing more to protect women from former offenders
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That's all great, but you've dodged my points.

There are many issues to this, such as where do you draw the line? You don't know, you'll just bend with the wind and use logical fallacies to defend it.
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Well, what exactly do you mean by, “Where do you draw the line? “

There isn’t a sliding scale here. We’re talking about specific and distinct issues relating to trans rights, women’s rights and women’s safety (amongst other things), and trying to find the right balance that best protects and respects everybody.

If you want to talk logical fallacies, “Where do you draw the line? “ sounds a lot like a slippery slope argument, btw.

But if you have specific questions you want to pose, put them and ask for opinions. (Apologies if you’ve done this and I’ve missed them; I’ve been desperately trying to keep up with the new poster, Terry Munro.)
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Well you have no problems drawing a line when it comes to free speech, but refuse to do so over problematic issues like this. Why do you think that is?

What name calling? Are you drunk?

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
Where do we draw the line indeed.

So we should have women only buses should we?

Women get attacked on public TRANSport all the time and yet I have never heard of this argument before really. But now it's a big deal and one of the most insane things in the world right now apparently.

Because if we leave that door unlocked we're basically asking for them to get raped in public (unless one of the men on here who instinctively can sense danger because they're a man foils it.)

I did actually use the womens toilets at work the other day. No rapes reported.
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Men in women's changing rooms—happy with that?

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
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What name calling? Are you drunk?
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Like Garner said, YOU keep bringing up rape, when it's more of an issue of many women not being comfortable with it. You're strawmanning and then using insults for the strawman.

You both keep moving the goalposts when your poor arguments are shown up.

And there’s no insults there.

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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
Where do we draw the line indeed.

So we should have women only buses should we?

Women get attacked on public TRANSport all the time and yet I have never heard of this argument before really. But now it's a big deal and one of the most insane things in the world right now apparently.

Because if we leave that door unlocked we're basically asking for them to get raped in public (unless one of the men on here who instinctively can sense danger because they're a man foils it.)

I did actually use the womens toilets at work the other day. No rapes reported.
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Men in women's changing rooms—happy with that?
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Absolutely. Why wouldn't I be, it'd be all cubicle anyway.

Put an advisor notes on and if people don't want to use them then they don't. Job done.

What are you pretending the issue is again? Safety wasn't it

advisory*

Unisex toilets and changing rooms exist all around the country.

I used a tanning salon the other day and whisper it quietly but there were women there too. I locked the door to stop them getting to me.

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posted 38 seconds ago
I used a tanning salon the other day and whisper it quietly but there were women there too. I locked the door to stop them getting to me.
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Its freekin JULY!