"Stealing a living as a keeper."
Exactly.
Another Orta masterpiece 🤦
He played 80% of the games in our promotion winning season so deserves some thanks. Started well but then fell off a cliff. Ultimately, as LIW said, another Orta special.
Yep, needed to go and best for both parties.
The fact lufc didn’t even tweet about it shows how no one have. s h t about him any more.
Good riddance.
Absolute sh 1 Te player. Glad to see the back of him.
Agree, another shocking waste of funds by Orta.
Not since saiz left have I wanted a player so badly out of our club.
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Not up there with saiz for me but pretty faking horrible.
Honestly, can we bring in Earps as a replacement?
Cause she has been amazing as this tournament and is easily better than Kiko based on how he played for us...
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Honestly, can we bring in Earps as a replacement?
Cause she has been amazing as this tournament and is easily better than Kiko based on how he played for us...
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With that thought…what about Sarina Wiegman should things not go well.
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
Btw those England women just put to shame our men’s team, who have consistently underachieved, year on year, since 1966. A breath of fresh air.
problem with the english team is you guys get bummed up beyond belief by the media and are nowhere near as good as you think you are. Team you had with gazza and co should have done better but were unlucky, but look at your team today with plenty of attacking options but then look at your defence. Why do you persist with the likes of Maguire when even the fans off the club team he plays for dont rate him. Problem is every england manager for years has been picking players on the team they play for rather than on their form or ability. How many youngsters have come through and played a handful of games for the red muck and then into england team only to disappear again when people realised they were crap and how many good players have been overlooked because they dont play for a fashionable team. A move to a top team they instantly become england regulars
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Btw those England women just put to shame our men’s team, who have consistently underachieved, year on year, since 1966. A breath of fresh air.
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What a difference a good manager makes, this team was woeful under Phil Neville and had the competition not been delayed a year…enough said! The players are good enough for the men, I just don’t think Southgate can get the best out of them…I think he should have been axed after the Hungary debacle.
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
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I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
The Kiko hate on here is childish, bigoted and above all unnecessary….but there you go.
There have been far worse players, which only highlights the stupidity of the hatred.
We all have people who dislike us, and such individuals should remember that and imagine if they were on the end of such vitriol, they would applaud it.
I am sure Kiko is glad to be shot of those type of Leeds fans also.
Bigoted?
People don't like him cause he was a poor signing who got suspended for being racist.
Saying People don't like him cause they are "bigoted" is probably one of the stupidest takes ive seen.
Maybe we just all hate the Spanish... I suppose that makes sense, as fans we are all well known for our hatred of Pablo Hernandez, not one of us liked him....
Real Estate, I'm sorry but I really don't agree with your position : it's not a question of personal dislike.
The fact is that he acted in an extremely unprofessional and frankly repulsive way on the pitch in front of thousands, hauled the club into extremely negative exposure, and left us in the last ten games with a rookie goalkeeper between the sticks during the vital promotion run-in, all the while pocketing his 40k a week or whatever it was. His demise is entirely of his own making and could have cost us even more dearly than it has. It's not just a question of personal dislike. This guy was an anti-servant to the club, the complete opposite of what a player needs to be. If he had any sense of honour about him, he would have terminated the contract early. He knew there was never going to be any way back with us but has milked the club ever since.
I think Real is maybe referring to the playing side of things - which i'd maybe agree with.
The racism, nah, can't defend that.
Best solution for all concerned ..... don't hate him, but don't want him back either .....
My thoughts on Kiko are that despite him playing for the majority of our promotion campaign, his goalkeeping skills were not a significant factor in the team achieving success that year.
Kiko for me was far too nervous and lackadaisical a character to cope with the pressure of being Leeds United 's main goalkeeper and this led to some real howlers that cost the team dearly the season before.
Despite the obvious deficiencies in Kiko MB still employed him as our number one gk, even though the catastrophic mix up in the play off semi was enough and the final straw for most fans to want to never see him again between the sticks.
Nevertheless until his suspension he carried on and still he threw in more than a few costly errors that further undermined his confidence and the players confidence in his abilities and invariably he became a target for supporters to vent their displeasure, regardless of the racism issue, he simply was an average at best acquisition, and like many others before him, will not be remembered fondly.
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 19 hours, 6 minutes ago
Absolute sh 1 Te player. Glad to see the back of him.
Agree, another shocking waste of funds by Orta.
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This
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
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I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
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Think the Chelsea women's manager was offered a League One job last season, but she said no, because she's currently managing one of the best in the world in her sport. I don't see why these managers at the top of the women's game would take a move to struggling teams in the men's.
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
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I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
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Think the Chelsea women's manager was offered a League One job last season, but she said no, because she's currently managing one of the best in the world in her sport. I don't see why these managers at the top of the women's game would take a move to struggling teams in the men's.
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Same reason anyone does anything... money.
Don't get me wrong, I think there is more than enough evidence that someone like Wiegman could manage in the Premier league.
However when you look at the turn around of managers in that league, and the way that teams constantly seem to cycle the same set of managers I think its far more likely that a lower down team, a consistently mid table championship club for example, would take them on rather than what we see in the premiership where most jobs seem to want a manager to come in and stop the rot in the short term
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
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I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think the Chelsea women's manager was offered a League One job last season, but she said no, because she's currently managing one of the best in the world in her sport. I don't see why these managers at the top of the women's game would take a move to struggling teams in the men's.
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Same reason anyone does anything... money.
Don't get me wrong, I think there is more than enough evidence that someone like Wiegman could manage in the Premier league.
However when you look at the turn around of managers in that league, and the way that teams constantly seem to cycle the same set of managers I think its far more likely that a lower down team, a consistently mid table championship club for example, would take them on rather than what we see in the premiership where most jobs seem to want a manager to come in and stop the rot in the short term
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I would imagine she gets paid more to manage the England women's team than she would to manage in league one. Potentially less than at the championship, but I wouldn't be certain. Managers don't tend to get paid astronomical amounts.
I guess if you pass all the badges, then you could be considered for coaching/manager role if you a woman (in the mens game), but considering there isn't a single coach tells you all you need to know. I found it really odd Phil Neville being England Woman's manager, I mean the current woman's manager is obviously miles better than Phil, who must have been given the job because of the level he played.
Where do they go in the changing rooms, how close do they get to the players? Would premier league players feel right having a woman manager?
End of the day, with so much at risk financially, I can't see it ever happening. No club will take that kind of risk
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 1 day, 21 hours ago
Real Estate, I'm sorry but I really don't agree with your position : it's not a question of personal dislike.
The fact is that he acted in an extremely unprofessional and frankly repulsive way on the pitch in front of thousands, hauled the club into extremely negative exposure, and left us in the last ten games with a rookie goalkeeper between the sticks during the vital promotion run-in, all the while pocketing his 40k a week or whatever it was. His demise is entirely of his own making and could have cost us even more dearly than it has. It's not just a question of personal dislike. This guy was an anti-servant to the club, the complete opposite of what a player needs to be. If he had any sense of honour about him, he would have terminated the contract early. He knew there was never going to be any way back with us but has milked the club ever since.
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So all the vitriolic comments are balanced and consistent relative to the other dross we’ve had at the club? We’ve had few at worse players, and this was my point.
Jaz, my comments aren’t personal, but I stand by what I see as blatant elements of hypocrisy. I’m not defending Kiko’s atrocious record between the sticks; however it simply sits alongside two or three others in the past 7 years or so; a couple who were perhaps worse.
However, the rhetoric shows that most on here are clearly fuelled by hatred more than rationality. That’s just blatant hypocrisy; in their second breath, they’re the same one who say we need to eliminate hate? Anyway, which police force was Kiko convicted by? Besides, how famous are the FA for there uncompromising neutrality, I wonder? Oh please! They only had an interest in one outcome, and it is utterly naive to suggest otherwise. I’m not bothered if others disagree, as I’m not so vain as to be after popularity points. My view is as equally correct as any other.
Relative to most elements of your comment though, I believe there are worse examples.
However….milked the club? There are any number way ahead of Kiko who have milked the club for far, far more expensive ver the past 20 years. And how many others of those were players who saw out their contracts to the bitter end, especially in recent years? Why pick on Kiko? After reading these comments, it’s no surprise he didn’t exactly feel enamoured either with the attitude of some fans.
Bielsa supported Kiko and was unequivocally clear that he was not a racist. I’d suggest to most on here he knew Kiko better than any of you do.
I don’t support racism, if I did, I’d have a hard time living in a country where most people have much darker skin than me, including my father-in-law. My wife is Latina for the record. The reason Bielsa defended Kiko as not a racist is for a reason. As a native Spanish speaker, he understands it’s culture far better than most of you. Many Spanish speakers use words in jest by habit and that includes those from the black community - and no one takes offence. Everyone is happily proud of their own identity and get on well. It suffices to say that many find British culture quite abrasive and offensive, but don’t expect British people to change to suit these sentiments.
So yes, my point stands. I think that the motive behind the hateful nature is obvious and just stinks of hypocrisy; people commenting on a person they do not know and make presumptions about.
Just remember folks, there are probably people out there who dislike you….and you really can’t understand why?
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posted on 31/7/22
"Stealing a living as a keeper."
Exactly.
posted on 31/7/22
Another Orta masterpiece 🤦
posted on 31/7/22
He played 80% of the games in our promotion winning season so deserves some thanks. Started well but then fell off a cliff. Ultimately, as LIW said, another Orta special.
posted on 31/7/22
Yep, needed to go and best for both parties.
posted on 31/7/22
The fact lufc didn’t even tweet about it shows how no one have. s h t about him any more.
Good riddance.
posted on 31/7/22
Absolute sh 1 Te player. Glad to see the back of him.
Agree, another shocking waste of funds by Orta.
posted on 31/7/22
Not since saiz left have I wanted a player so badly out of our club.
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Not up there with saiz for me but pretty faking horrible.
posted on 31/7/22
Honestly, can we bring in Earps as a replacement?
Cause she has been amazing as this tournament and is easily better than Kiko based on how he played for us...
posted on 31/7/22
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Honestly, can we bring in Earps as a replacement?
Cause she has been amazing as this tournament and is easily better than Kiko based on how he played for us...
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With that thought…what about Sarina Wiegman should things not go well.
posted on 31/7/22
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
posted on 31/7/22
Btw those England women just put to shame our men’s team, who have consistently underachieved, year on year, since 1966. A breath of fresh air.
posted on 31/7/22
problem with the english team is you guys get bummed up beyond belief by the media and are nowhere near as good as you think you are. Team you had with gazza and co should have done better but were unlucky, but look at your team today with plenty of attacking options but then look at your defence. Why do you persist with the likes of Maguire when even the fans off the club team he plays for dont rate him. Problem is every england manager for years has been picking players on the team they play for rather than on their form or ability. How many youngsters have come through and played a handful of games for the red muck and then into england team only to disappear again when people realised they were crap and how many good players have been overlooked because they dont play for a fashionable team. A move to a top team they instantly become england regulars
posted on 31/7/22
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Btw those England women just put to shame our men’s team, who have consistently underachieved, year on year, since 1966. A breath of fresh air.
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What a difference a good manager makes, this team was woeful under Phil Neville and had the competition not been delayed a year…enough said! The players are good enough for the men, I just don’t think Southgate can get the best out of them…I think he should have been axed after the Hungary debacle.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
posted on 1/8/22
The Kiko hate on here is childish, bigoted and above all unnecessary….but there you go.
There have been far worse players, which only highlights the stupidity of the hatred.
We all have people who dislike us, and such individuals should remember that and imagine if they were on the end of such vitriol, they would applaud it.
I am sure Kiko is glad to be shot of those type of Leeds fans also.
posted on 1/8/22
Bigoted?
People don't like him cause he was a poor signing who got suspended for being racist.
Saying People don't like him cause they are "bigoted" is probably one of the stupidest takes ive seen.
Maybe we just all hate the Spanish... I suppose that makes sense, as fans we are all well known for our hatred of Pablo Hernandez, not one of us liked him....
posted on 1/8/22
Real Estate, I'm sorry but I really don't agree with your position : it's not a question of personal dislike.
The fact is that he acted in an extremely unprofessional and frankly repulsive way on the pitch in front of thousands, hauled the club into extremely negative exposure, and left us in the last ten games with a rookie goalkeeper between the sticks during the vital promotion run-in, all the while pocketing his 40k a week or whatever it was. His demise is entirely of his own making and could have cost us even more dearly than it has. It's not just a question of personal dislike. This guy was an anti-servant to the club, the complete opposite of what a player needs to be. If he had any sense of honour about him, he would have terminated the contract early. He knew there was never going to be any way back with us but has milked the club ever since.
posted on 1/8/22
I think Real is maybe referring to the playing side of things - which i'd maybe agree with.
The racism, nah, can't defend that.
Best solution for all concerned ..... don't hate him, but don't want him back either .....
posted on 1/8/22
My thoughts on Kiko are that despite him playing for the majority of our promotion campaign, his goalkeeping skills were not a significant factor in the team achieving success that year.
Kiko for me was far too nervous and lackadaisical a character to cope with the pressure of being Leeds United 's main goalkeeper and this led to some real howlers that cost the team dearly the season before.
Despite the obvious deficiencies in Kiko MB still employed him as our number one gk, even though the catastrophic mix up in the play off semi was enough and the final straw for most fans to want to never see him again between the sticks.
Nevertheless until his suspension he carried on and still he threw in more than a few costly errors that further undermined his confidence and the players confidence in his abilities and invariably he became a target for supporters to vent their displeasure, regardless of the racism issue, he simply was an average at best acquisition, and like many others before him, will not be remembered fondly.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 19 hours, 6 minutes ago
Absolute sh 1 Te player. Glad to see the back of him.
Agree, another shocking waste of funds by Orta.
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This
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think the Chelsea women's manager was offered a League One job last season, but she said no, because she's currently managing one of the best in the world in her sport. I don't see why these managers at the top of the women's game would take a move to struggling teams in the men's.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think the Chelsea women's manager was offered a League One job last season, but she said no, because she's currently managing one of the best in the world in her sport. I don't see why these managers at the top of the women's game would take a move to struggling teams in the men's.
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Same reason anyone does anything... money.
Don't get me wrong, I think there is more than enough evidence that someone like Wiegman could manage in the Premier league.
However when you look at the turn around of managers in that league, and the way that teams constantly seem to cycle the same set of managers I think its far more likely that a lower down team, a consistently mid table championship club for example, would take them on rather than what we see in the premiership where most jobs seem to want a manager to come in and stop the rot in the short term
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Seriously, though, how long before we see a female manager at league level?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember Hope Powell being in the running for a league 1 or 2 team a few years ago, the boat has probably sailed for her at this stage but Wiegman could well be the first.
You could easily see a championship side or lower taking her own, not just because of her ability as a manger but also the reputation and financial benefits it could bring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think the Chelsea women's manager was offered a League One job last season, but she said no, because she's currently managing one of the best in the world in her sport. I don't see why these managers at the top of the women's game would take a move to struggling teams in the men's.
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Same reason anyone does anything... money.
Don't get me wrong, I think there is more than enough evidence that someone like Wiegman could manage in the Premier league.
However when you look at the turn around of managers in that league, and the way that teams constantly seem to cycle the same set of managers I think its far more likely that a lower down team, a consistently mid table championship club for example, would take them on rather than what we see in the premiership where most jobs seem to want a manager to come in and stop the rot in the short term
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I would imagine she gets paid more to manage the England women's team than she would to manage in league one. Potentially less than at the championship, but I wouldn't be certain. Managers don't tend to get paid astronomical amounts.
posted on 1/8/22
I guess if you pass all the badges, then you could be considered for coaching/manager role if you a woman (in the mens game), but considering there isn't a single coach tells you all you need to know. I found it really odd Phil Neville being England Woman's manager, I mean the current woman's manager is obviously miles better than Phil, who must have been given the job because of the level he played.
Where do they go in the changing rooms, how close do they get to the players? Would premier league players feel right having a woman manager?
End of the day, with so much at risk financially, I can't see it ever happening. No club will take that kind of risk
posted on 3/8/22
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 1 day, 21 hours ago
Real Estate, I'm sorry but I really don't agree with your position : it's not a question of personal dislike.
The fact is that he acted in an extremely unprofessional and frankly repulsive way on the pitch in front of thousands, hauled the club into extremely negative exposure, and left us in the last ten games with a rookie goalkeeper between the sticks during the vital promotion run-in, all the while pocketing his 40k a week or whatever it was. His demise is entirely of his own making and could have cost us even more dearly than it has. It's not just a question of personal dislike. This guy was an anti-servant to the club, the complete opposite of what a player needs to be. If he had any sense of honour about him, he would have terminated the contract early. He knew there was never going to be any way back with us but has milked the club ever since.
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So all the vitriolic comments are balanced and consistent relative to the other dross we’ve had at the club? We’ve had few at worse players, and this was my point.
Jaz, my comments aren’t personal, but I stand by what I see as blatant elements of hypocrisy. I’m not defending Kiko’s atrocious record between the sticks; however it simply sits alongside two or three others in the past 7 years or so; a couple who were perhaps worse.
However, the rhetoric shows that most on here are clearly fuelled by hatred more than rationality. That’s just blatant hypocrisy; in their second breath, they’re the same one who say we need to eliminate hate? Anyway, which police force was Kiko convicted by? Besides, how famous are the FA for there uncompromising neutrality, I wonder? Oh please! They only had an interest in one outcome, and it is utterly naive to suggest otherwise. I’m not bothered if others disagree, as I’m not so vain as to be after popularity points. My view is as equally correct as any other.
Relative to most elements of your comment though, I believe there are worse examples.
However….milked the club? There are any number way ahead of Kiko who have milked the club for far, far more expensive ver the past 20 years. And how many others of those were players who saw out their contracts to the bitter end, especially in recent years? Why pick on Kiko? After reading these comments, it’s no surprise he didn’t exactly feel enamoured either with the attitude of some fans.
Bielsa supported Kiko and was unequivocally clear that he was not a racist. I’d suggest to most on here he knew Kiko better than any of you do.
I don’t support racism, if I did, I’d have a hard time living in a country where most people have much darker skin than me, including my father-in-law. My wife is Latina for the record. The reason Bielsa defended Kiko as not a racist is for a reason. As a native Spanish speaker, he understands it’s culture far better than most of you. Many Spanish speakers use words in jest by habit and that includes those from the black community - and no one takes offence. Everyone is happily proud of their own identity and get on well. It suffices to say that many find British culture quite abrasive and offensive, but don’t expect British people to change to suit these sentiments.
So yes, my point stands. I think that the motive behind the hateful nature is obvious and just stinks of hypocrisy; people commenting on a person they do not know and make presumptions about.
Just remember folks, there are probably people out there who dislike you….and you really can’t understand why?
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