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You can't get those major decisions wrong though, could have completely changed the game. If he missed it I would understand but he just decided it wasn't a second yellow. Poor officiating.
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cant get them all correct... there is no rule that says its a 100% yellow card its down to the refs judgement.
he got one decision wrong , doesnt mean he had a poor game. Tillman missed a sitter, I dont think he had a poor game despite his major miss. he got a call wrong, move on the scrutiny refs are under now is just to far IMO.
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I didn't say he had a poor game. I said he made a poor decision. I also said I can forgive the linesman as with the naked eye it's a tough one to call, these things happen. But the ref has no excuse, he saw and gave the foul and would have booked the player in line with the other fouls he deemed a booking if it wasn't for the fact he knew he would have to send him off.
I don't think there's anything controversial in saying it was a poor decision. Livi subbed the player moments later and their Manager admitted they got away with one. It's potentially a pretty significant turning point in the game and officials need to be better than that in their decision making.
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he didnt think it was a booking.... most disagree (including me) but its just that. he gave the free kick so followed the rules, there is no rule that says he HAS to be booked its the refs decision. he thinks it was not a yellow , we do. there is bias there tbf but I do think it was a 2nd yellow. but there is at least an argument to be had over it. so he got the only part that actually has a rule for it correct the other bit is purely his opinion over ours.
it wasnt terrible referring IMO. I just didnt agree with not booking him.
the main part was calling a free kick which he did.
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Not sure I understand this, you're agreeing with me and everyone else who has seen it that it should have been a red so where is the debate?
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IMO it was a booking, yes in his opinion it wasnt.
there is no black and white rule to say he should have been booked for it ... and when you base the decision on opinion then its a huge grey area that no one can certainly claim to be 100% correct in.
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I dont think the standards are slipping ... i think the game is harder to ref now and the refs are scrutinsed far far more. Add the two up and you will get more decisions getting made wrong.
I think the standards are much the same but the game has changed.
they need the assistance if they are gonn abe judged on every single decision like they are now.
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You can't say they are getting more decisions wrong but also say standards aren't slipping. It's their decisions they are judged on.
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you totally can .... if something is harder to do you expect more mistakes. we also judge far far more of their decision and are far more detailed in that scrutiny due to technology.
so if they have more decisions being looked at, and the job your doing is more difficult then yes you will make more mistakes even if you level remains the same as it was before
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You can't get those major decisions wrong though, could have completely changed the game. If he missed it I would understand but he just decided it wasn't a second yellow. Poor officiating.
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cant get them all correct... there is no rule that says its a 100% yellow card its down to the refs judgement.
he got one decision wrong , doesnt mean he had a poor game. Tillman missed a sitter, I dont think he had a poor game despite his major miss. he got a call wrong, move on the scrutiny refs are under now is just to far IMO.
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I didn't say he had a poor game. I said he made a poor decision. I also said I can forgive the linesman as with the naked eye it's a tough one to call, these things happen. But the ref has no excuse, he saw and gave the foul and would have booked the player in line with the other fouls he deemed a booking if it wasn't for the fact he knew he would have to send him off.
I don't think there's anything controversial in saying it was a poor decision. Livi subbed the player moments later and their Manager admitted they got away with one. It's potentially a pretty significant turning point in the game and officials need to be better than that in their decision making.
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he didnt think it was a booking.... most disagree (including me) but its just that. he gave the free kick so followed the rules, there is no rule that says he HAS to be booked its the refs decision. he thinks it was not a yellow , we do. there is bias there tbf but I do think it was a 2nd yellow. but there is at least an argument to be had over it. so he got the only part that actually has a rule for it correct the other bit is purely his opinion over ours.
it wasnt terrible referring IMO. I just didnt agree with not booking him.
the main part was calling a free kick which he did.
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Not sure I understand this, you're agreeing with me and everyone else who has seen it that it should have been a red so where is the debate?
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IMO it was a booking, yes in his opinion it wasnt.
there is no black and white rule to say he should have been booked for it ... and when you base the decision on opinion then its a huge grey area that no one can certainly claim to be 100% correct in.
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You absolutely can claim to be 100% correct in it. It was a professional foul which merited a booking. I understand there are some fouls that are subjective and not every foul is a booking but that one is as textbook as you could wish to see. I'm not sure why you are defending the ref in a decision you agree with me that he got wrong. I'm not suggesting bias or anything sinister but it was the biggest decision he had to review on the day and he got it wrong.
Fortunately it didn't have any consequences on the overall result but it did prevent Rangers from having a numerical advantage for over an hour of the game,
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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I dont think the standards are slipping ... i think the game is harder to ref now and the refs are scrutinsed far far more. Add the two up and you will get more decisions getting made wrong.
I think the standards are much the same but the game has changed.
they need the assistance if they are gonn abe judged on every single decision like they are now.
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Not sure VAR will be judging yellows?
Back to the main point though what's the deal with prince William?
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Back to the main point though what's the deal with prince William?
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Likes it up the @rse allegedly?
https://www.thecut.com/2022/07/prince-of-pegging-trends-with-prince-william-affair-why.html
Lie back and think of England.
I think I will wait till I'm out of work before clicking that
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Saturday, for me, showed why VAR should not be introduced in the middle of a season
That offside call was very tight, and could have been the difference between a draw and 3 points for us at the weekend
If he was onside, we're getting penalised on a game because it got played in August rather than January
It's stupid
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 57 seconds ago
Saturday, for me, showed why VAR should not be introduced in the middle of a season
That offside call was very tight, and could have been the difference between a draw and 3 points for us at the weekend
If he was onside, we're getting penalised on a game because it got played in August rather than January
It's stupid
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no probs with it at all... All the teams have signed off on it , they all agree. They know whats happening.
If the choices are half way through the season or next season Id take sooner the better.
So if there is a close call in the old firm in September, which couldean the difference between a game being won and lost....then there's another one in January, which will have the benefit of VAR...that won't bother you
I understand the teams have signed off on it, and I would have loved it to have been in place for the start of the season..but this introducing it half way through, for me is nonsense and just leaving the entire league and Scottish football open to criticism, as per usual
I think it's silly to bring it in mid-season, but I think it would sillier to not. It's two less than ideal situations
Imagine VAR was brought in during the middle of a World Cup....or a Euros.....or a Premier League season
Better leaving it until next summer
I'd take VAR coming in at HT tbh.
VAR has to happen as soon as we get our collective rses into gear and sort it out, regardless at which point of the season it is.
Yes, there will continue to be “poor” or marginal calls. It’s better than nothing and depending on refs.
I agree the sooner the better. It just feels very Scottish football to introduce it halfway through a season.
Fortunately this time it’s not changed where the points go.
Don’t expect var to be problem free either, still the same idiots making the decisions
In fairness on VAR it has been brought in to the middle of competitions.
We will remember for example a couple of years ago it only came in to place in the Europa League following the group stages and not in the first half of the competition.
Its not ideal to have it mid season but agree its better than not at all. I take the point that an OF game in September might have a wrong decision go unchecked but one in Jan might then not, but surely that's better than all 4 OF games being potentially decided by wrong decisions?
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
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In fairness on VAR it has been brought in to the middle of competitions.
We will remember for example a couple of years ago it only came in to place in the Europa League following the group stages and not in the first half of the competition.
Its not ideal to have it mid season but agree its better than not at all. I take the point that an OF game in September might have a wrong decision go unchecked but one in Jan might then not, but surely that's better than all 4 OF games being potentially decided by wrong decisions?
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Depends who benefits.
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 59 minutes ago
So if there is a close call in the old firm in September, which couldean the difference between a game being won and lost....then there's another one in January, which will have the benefit of VAR...that won't bother you
I understand the teams have signed off on it, and I would have loved it to have been in place for the start of the season..but this introducing it half way through, for me is nonsense and just leaving the entire league and Scottish football open to criticism, as per usual
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there is zero complaints that can be made about the decision has already been signed off and agreed by ALL teams. They are happy to go with it, they agree its best so they can have no comeback.
I would be disappointed that the ref made a mistake prior to VAR being introduced it wouldnt annoy me that VAR wasnt in yet again because it was agreed upon that this was what the team wanted.
the teams all agreed it was better to bring it in half way through rather than wait til next season.
I compltely agree, get it involved at the earliest stage when we can. If its gonna improve the refereeing then why would teams want to wait longer than they need to. The refs want it in earlier, the team want it in earlier majority of fans do. not ideal but its better than not having it.
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You can't get those major decisions wrong though, could have completely changed the game. If he missed it I would understand but he just decided it wasn't a second yellow. Poor officiating.
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cant get them all correct... there is no rule that says its a 100% yellow card its down to the refs judgement.
he got one decision wrong , doesnt mean he had a poor game. Tillman missed a sitter, I dont think he had a poor game despite his major miss. he got a call wrong, move on the scrutiny refs are under now is just to far IMO.
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I didn't say he had a poor game. I said he made a poor decision. I also said I can forgive the linesman as with the naked eye it's a tough one to call, these things happen. But the ref has no excuse, he saw and gave the foul and would have booked the player in line with the other fouls he deemed a booking if it wasn't for the fact he knew he would have to send him off.
I don't think there's anything controversial in saying it was a poor decision. Livi subbed the player moments later and their Manager admitted they got away with one. It's potentially a pretty significant turning point in the game and officials need to be better than that in their decision making.
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he didnt think it was a booking.... most disagree (including me) but its just that. he gave the free kick so followed the rules, there is no rule that says he HAS to be booked its the refs decision. he thinks it was not a yellow , we do. there is bias there tbf but I do think it was a 2nd yellow. but there is at least an argument to be had over it. so he got the only part that actually has a rule for it correct the other bit is purely his opinion over ours.
it wasnt terrible referring IMO. I just didnt agree with not booking him.
the main part was calling a free kick which he did.
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Not sure I understand this, you're agreeing with me and everyone else who has seen it that it should have been a red so where is the debate?
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IMO it was a booking, yes in his opinion it wasnt.
there is no black and white rule to say he should have been booked for it ... and when you base the decision on opinion then its a huge grey area that no one can certainly claim to be 100% correct in.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 seconds ago
I dont think the standards are slipping ... i think the game is harder to ref now and the refs are scrutinsed far far more. Add the two up and you will get more decisions getting made wrong.
I think the standards are much the same but the game has changed.
they need the assistance if they are gonn abe judged on every single decision like they are now.
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You can't say they are getting more decisions wrong but also say standards aren't slipping. It's their decisions they are judged on.
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you totally can .... if something is harder to do you expect more mistakes. we also judge far far more of their decision and are far more detailed in that scrutiny due to technology.
so if they have more decisions being looked at, and the job your doing is more difficult then yes you will make more mistakes even if you level remains the same as it was before
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comment by Gersmid (U22273)
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You can't get those major decisions wrong though, could have completely changed the game. If he missed it I would understand but he just decided it wasn't a second yellow. Poor officiating.
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cant get them all correct... there is no rule that says its a 100% yellow card its down to the refs judgement.
he got one decision wrong , doesnt mean he had a poor game. Tillman missed a sitter, I dont think he had a poor game despite his major miss. he got a call wrong, move on the scrutiny refs are under now is just to far IMO.
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I didn't say he had a poor game. I said he made a poor decision. I also said I can forgive the linesman as with the naked eye it's a tough one to call, these things happen. But the ref has no excuse, he saw and gave the foul and would have booked the player in line with the other fouls he deemed a booking if it wasn't for the fact he knew he would have to send him off.
I don't think there's anything controversial in saying it was a poor decision. Livi subbed the player moments later and their Manager admitted they got away with one. It's potentially a pretty significant turning point in the game and officials need to be better than that in their decision making.
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he didnt think it was a booking.... most disagree (including me) but its just that. he gave the free kick so followed the rules, there is no rule that says he HAS to be booked its the refs decision. he thinks it was not a yellow , we do. there is bias there tbf but I do think it was a 2nd yellow. but there is at least an argument to be had over it. so he got the only part that actually has a rule for it correct the other bit is purely his opinion over ours.
it wasnt terrible referring IMO. I just didnt agree with not booking him.
the main part was calling a free kick which he did.
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Not sure I understand this, you're agreeing with me and everyone else who has seen it that it should have been a red so where is the debate?
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IMO it was a booking, yes in his opinion it wasnt.
there is no black and white rule to say he should have been booked for it ... and when you base the decision on opinion then its a huge grey area that no one can certainly claim to be 100% correct in.
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You absolutely can claim to be 100% correct in it. It was a professional foul which merited a booking. I understand there are some fouls that are subjective and not every foul is a booking but that one is as textbook as you could wish to see. I'm not sure why you are defending the ref in a decision you agree with me that he got wrong. I'm not suggesting bias or anything sinister but it was the biggest decision he had to review on the day and he got it wrong.
Fortunately it didn't have any consequences on the overall result but it did prevent Rangers from having a numerical advantage for over an hour of the game,
posted on 1/8/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
I dont think the standards are slipping ... i think the game is harder to ref now and the refs are scrutinsed far far more. Add the two up and you will get more decisions getting made wrong.
I think the standards are much the same but the game has changed.
they need the assistance if they are gonn abe judged on every single decision like they are now.
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Not sure VAR will be judging yellows?
posted on 1/8/22
Back to the main point though what's the deal with prince William?
posted on 1/8/22
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 33 minutes ago
Back to the main point though what's the deal with prince William?
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Likes it up the @rse allegedly?
https://www.thecut.com/2022/07/prince-of-pegging-trends-with-prince-william-affair-why.html
posted on 1/8/22
Lie back and think of England.
posted on 1/8/22
I think I will wait till I'm out of work before clicking that
posted on 1/8/22
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I think I will wait till I'm out of work before clicking that
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posted on 1/8/22
Saturday, for me, showed why VAR should not be introduced in the middle of a season
That offside call was very tight, and could have been the difference between a draw and 3 points for us at the weekend
If he was onside, we're getting penalised on a game because it got played in August rather than January
It's stupid
posted on 1/8/22
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 57 seconds ago
Saturday, for me, showed why VAR should not be introduced in the middle of a season
That offside call was very tight, and could have been the difference between a draw and 3 points for us at the weekend
If he was onside, we're getting penalised on a game because it got played in August rather than January
It's stupid
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no probs with it at all... All the teams have signed off on it , they all agree. They know whats happening.
If the choices are half way through the season or next season Id take sooner the better.
posted on 1/8/22
So if there is a close call in the old firm in September, which couldean the difference between a game being won and lost....then there's another one in January, which will have the benefit of VAR...that won't bother you
I understand the teams have signed off on it, and I would have loved it to have been in place for the start of the season..but this introducing it half way through, for me is nonsense and just leaving the entire league and Scottish football open to criticism, as per usual
posted on 1/8/22
I think it's silly to bring it in mid-season, but I think it would sillier to not. It's two less than ideal situations
posted on 1/8/22
Imagine VAR was brought in during the middle of a World Cup....or a Euros.....or a Premier League season
Better leaving it until next summer
posted on 1/8/22
I'd take VAR coming in at HT tbh.
posted on 1/8/22
VAR has to happen as soon as we get our collective rses into gear and sort it out, regardless at which point of the season it is.
Yes, there will continue to be “poor” or marginal calls. It’s better than nothing and depending on refs.
posted on 1/8/22
I agree the sooner the better. It just feels very Scottish football to introduce it halfway through a season.
Fortunately this time it’s not changed where the points go.
Don’t expect var to be problem free either, still the same idiots making the decisions
posted on 2/8/22
In fairness on VAR it has been brought in to the middle of competitions.
We will remember for example a couple of years ago it only came in to place in the Europa League following the group stages and not in the first half of the competition.
Its not ideal to have it mid season but agree its better than not at all. I take the point that an OF game in September might have a wrong decision go unchecked but one in Jan might then not, but surely that's better than all 4 OF games being potentially decided by wrong decisions?
posted on 2/8/22
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 8 seconds ago
In fairness on VAR it has been brought in to the middle of competitions.
We will remember for example a couple of years ago it only came in to place in the Europa League following the group stages and not in the first half of the competition.
Its not ideal to have it mid season but agree its better than not at all. I take the point that an OF game in September might have a wrong decision go unchecked but one in Jan might then not, but surely that's better than all 4 OF games being potentially decided by wrong decisions?
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Depends who benefits.
posted on 2/8/22
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 59 minutes ago
So if there is a close call in the old firm in September, which couldean the difference between a game being won and lost....then there's another one in January, which will have the benefit of VAR...that won't bother you
I understand the teams have signed off on it, and I would have loved it to have been in place for the start of the season..but this introducing it half way through, for me is nonsense and just leaving the entire league and Scottish football open to criticism, as per usual
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there is zero complaints that can be made about the decision has already been signed off and agreed by ALL teams. They are happy to go with it, they agree its best so they can have no comeback.
I would be disappointed that the ref made a mistake prior to VAR being introduced it wouldnt annoy me that VAR wasnt in yet again because it was agreed upon that this was what the team wanted.
posted on 2/8/22
the teams all agreed it was better to bring it in half way through rather than wait til next season.
I compltely agree, get it involved at the earliest stage when we can. If its gonna improve the refereeing then why would teams want to wait longer than they need to. The refs want it in earlier, the team want it in earlier majority of fans do. not ideal but its better than not having it.
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