Both looked decent without being elite at the WC but often played out wide. Not sure if they play CF at club level.
Apparently Thuram’s contract is up this summer. Could be worth a punt on the cheap this month. Going by Sofascore he plays as a lone striker quite a bit at club level.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 11 seconds ago
Apparently Thuram’s contract is up this summer. Could be worth a punt on the cheap this month. Going by Sofascore he plays as a lone striker quite a bit at club level.
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Interesting. From what I saw he seemed to have the slightly better stats all round, but that's not necessarily the be all and end all.
From reports it looks like they'd be similar fees.
I was writing my mammoth article while you posted this POTN, which also raises the Thuram question. As I wrote in that thread, Kolo Muani (who caught my eye slightly more in the WC) only joined Eintracht Frankfurt last summer, and has started well, so I imagine he'd be very hard to buy in January and well beyond our rumoured budgetary constraints.
I only want someone that is a definite starter over a fully fit Martial. Anyone that doesn’t displace him (immediately I mean) then I don’t want to sign them.
The only exception to that would be a very young but undoubtedly talented CF (I’m thinking Rooney 2003 type).
Not to sign off Barry style but I don’t want enough football these days to identify talent outside of obvious names.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
I only want someone that is a definite starter over a fully fit Martial. Anyone that doesn’t displace him (immediately I mean) then I don’t want to sign them.
The only exception to that would be a very young but undoubtedly talented CF (I’m thinking Rooney 2003 type).
Not to sign off Barry style but I don’t want enough football these days to identify talent outside of obvious names.
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We certainly don't want to be stuck with someone on a long contract who isn't really good enough for our aspirations. The two instances where I'd be willing to bring in someone who doesn't meet your criteria of immedialely displacing Martial, SatNav, would be 1) a half-season loan that means we have *some* cover when he gets injured again or 2) if moving on Martial in the summer is part of the long-term plan and we have a young player with a good enough ceiling to be the back-up to the really good striker we buy in August.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
I only want someone that is a definite starter over a fully fit Martial. Anyone that doesn’t displace him (immediately I mean) then I don’t want to sign them.
The only exception to that would be a very young but undoubtedly talented CF (I’m thinking Rooney 2003 type).
Not to sign off Barry style but I don’t want enough football these days to identify talent outside of obvious names.
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We certainly don't want to be stuck with someone on a long contract who isn't really good enough for our aspirations. The two instances where I'd be willing to bring in someone who doesn't meet your criteria of immedialely displacing Martial, SatNav, would be 1) a half-season loan that means we have *some* cover when he gets injured again or 2) if moving on Martial in the summer is part of the long-term plan and we have a young player with a good enough ceiling to be the back-up to the really good striker we buy in August.
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Not sure I’d even want option 1 tbh mate, it would destabilise continuity.
We currently don’t need too many XI positions replacing, probably just CF and RB for me - go and get best in class, nothing less.
What will make all of this much easier is that it SEEMS so far that ETH and his staff can actually improve players and more importantly- not destroy players.
How many players have we had that dropped into oblivion within a year or so…
Not sure I’d even want option 1 tbh mate, it would destabilise continuity.
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I don't think that's inevitable. If it's a player with the right attitude and the right profile to do the necessary things when Martial gets injured, and leave at the end of the season, what's the harm? Doing nothing isn't risk free either: it can destabilise the team if we have to put square pegs in round holes because we don't have a proper centre forward available.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not sure I’d even want option 1 tbh mate, it would destabilise continuity.
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I don't think that's inevitable. If it's a player with the right attitude and the right profile to do the necessary things when Martial gets injured, and leave at the end of the season, what's the harm? Doing nothing isn't risk free either: it can destabilise the team if we have to put square pegs in round holes because we don't have a proper centre forward available.
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It can work, I agree. I’ll always fondly remember Mr Henrik Larsson for example. But I don’t want our scouting g0ons to get off lightly with something like that.
Whoever we get is going to be a stop gap or a very young player who won't be a guaranteed starter. There's no money for anything else.
I don't know much about them, but their statistics suggest they aren't of the quality we need.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 43 minutes ago
I don't know much about them, but their statistics suggest they aren't of the quality we need.
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What statistics are you referring to?
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
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With football restarting quickly after the World Cup he won't have much time to dwell either so I'd not worry too much about that.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
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With football restarting quickly after the World Cup he won't have much time to dwell either so I'd not worry too much about that.
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Muani also scored in the shootout to keep the penalties alive. Showed a bit of character there.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
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I’m not sure.
It was literally a miss that cost his country the World Cup.
Even with Robben & Higuain, their misses were much earlier in the game, so they had the solace of knowing they could have still lost. In this case, they definitely would have won.
And it still took those guys 2 years+ to recover.
Muani’s miss was arguably the biggest in football history.
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posted on 3/1/23
Both looked decent without being elite at the WC but often played out wide. Not sure if they play CF at club level.
posted on 3/1/23
Apparently Thuram’s contract is up this summer. Could be worth a punt on the cheap this month. Going by Sofascore he plays as a lone striker quite a bit at club level.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 11 seconds ago
Apparently Thuram’s contract is up this summer. Could be worth a punt on the cheap this month. Going by Sofascore he plays as a lone striker quite a bit at club level.
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Interesting. From what I saw he seemed to have the slightly better stats all round, but that's not necessarily the be all and end all.
From reports it looks like they'd be similar fees.
posted on 3/1/23
I was writing my mammoth article while you posted this POTN, which also raises the Thuram question. As I wrote in that thread, Kolo Muani (who caught my eye slightly more in the WC) only joined Eintracht Frankfurt last summer, and has started well, so I imagine he'd be very hard to buy in January and well beyond our rumoured budgetary constraints.
posted on 3/1/23
I only want someone that is a definite starter over a fully fit Martial. Anyone that doesn’t displace him (immediately I mean) then I don’t want to sign them.
The only exception to that would be a very young but undoubtedly talented CF (I’m thinking Rooney 2003 type).
Not to sign off Barry style but I don’t want enough football these days to identify talent outside of obvious names.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
I only want someone that is a definite starter over a fully fit Martial. Anyone that doesn’t displace him (immediately I mean) then I don’t want to sign them.
The only exception to that would be a very young but undoubtedly talented CF (I’m thinking Rooney 2003 type).
Not to sign off Barry style but I don’t want enough football these days to identify talent outside of obvious names.
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We certainly don't want to be stuck with someone on a long contract who isn't really good enough for our aspirations. The two instances where I'd be willing to bring in someone who doesn't meet your criteria of immedialely displacing Martial, SatNav, would be 1) a half-season loan that means we have *some* cover when he gets injured again or 2) if moving on Martial in the summer is part of the long-term plan and we have a young player with a good enough ceiling to be the back-up to the really good striker we buy in August.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
I only want someone that is a definite starter over a fully fit Martial. Anyone that doesn’t displace him (immediately I mean) then I don’t want to sign them.
The only exception to that would be a very young but undoubtedly talented CF (I’m thinking Rooney 2003 type).
Not to sign off Barry style but I don’t want enough football these days to identify talent outside of obvious names.
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We certainly don't want to be stuck with someone on a long contract who isn't really good enough for our aspirations. The two instances where I'd be willing to bring in someone who doesn't meet your criteria of immedialely displacing Martial, SatNav, would be 1) a half-season loan that means we have *some* cover when he gets injured again or 2) if moving on Martial in the summer is part of the long-term plan and we have a young player with a good enough ceiling to be the back-up to the really good striker we buy in August.
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Not sure I’d even want option 1 tbh mate, it would destabilise continuity.
We currently don’t need too many XI positions replacing, probably just CF and RB for me - go and get best in class, nothing less.
What will make all of this much easier is that it SEEMS so far that ETH and his staff can actually improve players and more importantly- not destroy players.
How many players have we had that dropped into oblivion within a year or so…
posted on 3/1/23
Not sure I’d even want option 1 tbh mate, it would destabilise continuity.
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I don't think that's inevitable. If it's a player with the right attitude and the right profile to do the necessary things when Martial gets injured, and leave at the end of the season, what's the harm? Doing nothing isn't risk free either: it can destabilise the team if we have to put square pegs in round holes because we don't have a proper centre forward available.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not sure I’d even want option 1 tbh mate, it would destabilise continuity.
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I don't think that's inevitable. If it's a player with the right attitude and the right profile to do the necessary things when Martial gets injured, and leave at the end of the season, what's the harm? Doing nothing isn't risk free either: it can destabilise the team if we have to put square pegs in round holes because we don't have a proper centre forward available.
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It can work, I agree. I’ll always fondly remember Mr Henrik Larsson for example. But I don’t want our scouting g0ons to get off lightly with something like that.
posted on 3/1/23
Whoever we get is going to be a stop gap or a very young player who won't be a guaranteed starter. There's no money for anything else.
posted on 3/1/23
I don't know much about them, but their statistics suggest they aren't of the quality we need.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 43 minutes ago
I don't know much about them, but their statistics suggest they aren't of the quality we need.
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What statistics are you referring to?
posted on 3/1/23
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
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With football restarting quickly after the World Cup he won't have much time to dwell either so I'd not worry too much about that.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
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With football restarting quickly after the World Cup he won't have much time to dwell either so I'd not worry too much about that.
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Muani also scored in the shootout to keep the penalties alive. Showed a bit of character there.
posted on 3/1/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’d stay away from Kolo Muani at this stage.
It’ll take him at least a year to recover psychologically from that miss in the Final.
It took Robben almost 3 years to recover from his miss in the Final vs Spain. It took Higuain about 2 years. And Kolo Muani’s miss was even more devastating since it was in the dying moments.
The earliest I’d bring him in would be during summer ‘24.
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It was a reasonably struck / well saved shot, and plenty of players have quickly shrugged off failures and disappointments of a similar magnitude.
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I’m not sure.
It was literally a miss that cost his country the World Cup.
Even with Robben & Higuain, their misses were much earlier in the game, so they had the solace of knowing they could have still lost. In this case, they definitely would have won.
And it still took those guys 2 years+ to recover.
Muani’s miss was arguably the biggest in football history.
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