Yup. 343 and lack of game management. Some will say Conte has nothing to do with it.

Son just a passenger now....

It’s crazy had bad Son has been this season isn’t it?

If the manager goes we have the same players who will throw the next one under the bus like Poch, Jose and Nuno.

Some of you just don't know 🤦🏻‍♂️

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
Son just a passenger now....
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Son has enough in the bank to not write him off but he does need dropping for a bit.

The drop off from today compared to the city game was remarkable though. I’ve never been in the #out crew but I do wonder whether conte is the issue though. Our players always seem to play better under the more “caring” managers eg redknapp/Poch.

Strange day but we move on. Europe beckons...

If the players play rubbish, play someone else. What has Richarlison got to do to start in front of Son?

I'd have no respect for a manager if I was in a team and saw this complete lack of managing.

Also, Hojberg used up his 1 good game in 10, so just why.

OP, make that nine men with Dier playing.

comment by Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the players play rubbish, play someone else. What has Richarlison got to do to start in front of Son?

I'd have no respect for a manager if I was in a team and saw this complete lack of managing.

Also, Hojberg used up his 1 good game in 10, so just why.
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Emerson played well last three games, and got dropped. So I really don`t have a clue what is going on now.

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the players play rubbish, play someone else. What has Richarlison got to do to start in front of Son?

I'd have no respect for a manager if I was in a team and saw this complete lack of managing.

Also, Hojberg used up his 1 good game in 10, so just why.
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Emerson played well last three games, and got dropped. So I really don`t have a clue what is going on now.
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Very strange decision. Royal was excellent v city. Did not deserve to be dropped / rested.

The malaise and apathy all stems from the owners, it has filtered down from the very top to the manager, the players and the fans.

The club new ideas, new direction and a new approach. That means new owners, we see the same old story played out over and over again, nothing ever changes, and under ENIC nothing ever will.

The club has become stale, everything is just so meh and these days I do not even get pist off when we lose, we lost 4-1 today and I am totally apathetic about it, we`ve seen the same movie many times before. I struggle to even get excited by a Spurs game, because ultimately we will fail again.

comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 48 minutes ago
If the manager goes we have the same players who will throw the next one under the bus like Poch, Jose and Nuno.

Some of you just don't know 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Some of us do though, Luka

Until Dier is dropped. For me he's the constant since Poch. Him and Davies. Whether we like it or not. All Managers including Conte have put too much faith in Dier and this affects the whole team.

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 8 minutes ago
Until Dier is dropped. For me he's the constant since Poch. Him and Davies. Whether we like it or not. All Managers including Conte have put too much faith in Dier and this affects the whole team.


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Agreed, incredible how Dier never gets dropped, when he is often Spurs worse player.

I mean what sort of a message is being sent to the other players, that no matter how bad Dier, Son and others are, they will never get dropped. And no matter how well players like Emerson play, then a good chance you will get dropped.

Perhaps the managers who see Dier train every day see something in him.

Not sure who we’re supposed to replace him with?

Everyone is playing badly. Means only one thing. It’s about management, not individuals.

Dier is our only commanding CB, all the rest of them are not as good in the air, for all Dier`s gaffs, how many times does he get his head on the ball to make a clearance, without Dier we would concede a lot more goals from corners and free kicks.

Dier also looks better when alongside Romero, put him alongside Tanganga or Sanchez and he looks far worse.

What is clear though, we need to sign a first choice LCB, better quality back up RCB and another CB to compete with Dier for the CCB role.

Romero Back up RCB
CCB Dier
First choice LCB Davies

Hopefully Spence smashes it in France and we can have him and Porro as RWB, then Udogie and Sess as LWB, Perisic doesnt have the legs to play LWB, but could be kept as another forward option. Keep Royal as a utility defender.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
Everyone is playing badly. Means only one thing. It’s about management, not individuals.
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They all played well against City, even Hojbjerg and Royal

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
Everyone is playing badly. Means only one thing. It’s about management, not individuals.
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What I can't believe is the difference in the team in 1 week, its like chalk and cheese, have all the players suddenly downed tools, not that I believe in that theory, surely a management issue

comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 minutes ago
Dier is our only commanding CB, all the rest of them are not as good in the air, for all Dier`s gaffs, how many times does he get his head on the ball to make a clearance, without Dier we would concede a lot more goals from corners and free kicks.

Dier also looks better when alongside Romero, put him alongside Tanganga or Sanchez and he looks far worse.

What is clear though, we need to sign a first choice LCB, better quality back up RCB and another CB to compete with Dier for the CCB role.

Romero Back up RCB
CCB Dier
First choice LCB Davies

Hopefully Spence smashes it in France and we can have him and Porro as RWB, then Udogie and Sess as LWB, Perisic doesnt have the legs to play LWB, but could be kept as another forward option. Keep Royal as a utility defender.
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The thing that worries me is that no other manager plays 3 at the back. And this manager is off in the summer.

So we will have wing backs who can’t defend in a back 4. The squad will be unbalanced again because we don’t have a plan.

Maybe Porro, Spence, Udogie will be good full-backs - really hope so.

comment by Big Deki Energy (U3338)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Perhaps the managers who see Dier train every day see something in him.

Not sure who we’re supposed to replace him with?
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A traffic cone?

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
Everyone is playing badly. Means only one thing. It’s about management, not individuals.
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That’s our second loss of this year. It’s also Contes fault we beat City, Palace, Fulham, Pompey, Preston and play AC Milan on Tuesday

comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 minutes ago
Dier is our only commanding CB, all the rest of them are not as good in the air, for all Dier`s gaffs, how many times does he get his head on the ball to make a clearance, without Dier we would concede a lot more goals from corners and free kicks.

Dier also looks better when alongside Romero, put him alongside Tanganga or Sanchez and he looks far worse.

What is clear though, we need to sign a first choice LCB, better quality back up RCB and another CB to compete with Dier for the CCB role.

Romero Back up RCB
CCB Dier
First choice LCB Davies

Hopefully Spence smashes it in France and we can have him and Porro as RWB, then Udogie and Sess as LWB, Perisic doesnt have the legs to play LWB, but could be kept as another forward option. Keep Royal as a utility defender.
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The thing that worries me is that no other manager plays 3 at the back. And this manager is off in the summer.

So we will have wing backs who can’t defend in a back 4. The squad will be unbalanced again because we don’t have a plan.

Maybe Porro, Spence, Udogie will be good full-backs - really hope so.
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Good players are adaptable. If it is Poch he often used to play our full backs like wing backs, pushed right up the pitch when we were playing sides who turned up with the low block against us, so I’m less concerned about the suitability of these guys to the squad going forwards.

The bigger issue is the players who just aren’t good enough at this level - Dier, Davies, Sanchez (despite what Sandy says) Sess (robbing a living) Tanganga. Those 3 Centre backs will cost a fortune to replace in the summer with proper quality

comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
Everyone is playing badly. Means only one thing. It’s about management, not individuals.
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What I can't believe is the difference in the team in 1 week, its like chalk and cheese, have all the players suddenly downed tools, not that I believe in that theory, surely a management issue
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We he kept clean sheets in our previous 3 matches and today conceded 4. I will forgive the first one because sometimes a player produces a sublime strike like that - yes you can close him down quicker but those goals happen to all teams.

The other 3 were pathetic, the second and third was Davies playing hospital balls into the middle of the pitch and Forster with all the agility of a geriatric.

Blame the manager if you want but I can’t see how it’s all on him - some of those players were beyond useless today - and Davies has been for a while.

At least now though people might leave Hugo alone for a bit - Forster is not fit to live his boots

I personally think it was too soon to start Porro, the PL is the most intense league in Europe.

Fair play to Leicester they looked up for it today.