I'm not sure why I was moved to post this today.
So one or no stars are in order.
But 'l feel happy, oh so happy, it's amazing how happy I feel'.
And nothing to do with politics.
comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nigel?
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Keir, I'll edit it and give my head a wobble.
I gave you 5 stars as you’re a good dude.
I don’t think Sunak is doing a particularly good job. But his worst is still better than the last two morons.
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
Nigel Starmer is the new Mike Smalling
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm not sure why I was moved to post this today.
So one or no stars are in order.
But 'l feel happy, oh so happy, it's amazing how happy I feel'.
And nothing to do with politics.
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Did you get your hole?
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 seconds ago
Nigel Starmer is the new Mike Smalling
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It was Nigel Starmer Smith what done it.
Is he though?
The single market : amazing for Northern Ireland but somehow not for for the rest of the UK?
Just another lying charlatan (who can’t even get his own wife to pay tax)
NEXT.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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I hardly no enough about him yet. But as a life long Labourite I don't want him appearing anything but a loser, but he isn't.
I want Keir to show some fire, and not just bash the Tories, but shout about what our side can and will do.
Besides the good headlines he enjoyed for what, a day have been swept aside by the Hancock/Williamson WhatsApp revelations, a timely reminder of how unbelievably sh*t this government has been and continues to be.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
Besides the good headlines he enjoyed for what, a day have been swept aside by the Hancock/Williamson WhatsApp revelations, a timely reminder of how unbelievably sh*t this government has been and continues to be.
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Know*
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 10 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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In my opinion, it says something about his performance, but it also says something (very welcome) about the electorate's breakdown in trust in the Tory party as a whole. By the time Johnson fell, the relatively competent and relatively moderate ones who largely inhabited a reality-based world had been discredited, sidelined or made a fateful decision to embrace post-truth populism, if not purged from the party entirely. There wasn't a good leader waiting in the wings, and the political dynamics of the party (now fully committed to consolidating its support with the hard-right base) meant that you can't be leader of the party without standing for things the country as a whole dislikes.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/02/rishi-sunak-northern-ireland-protocol-tory-party?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
And I hadn't read that, honest guv.
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 27 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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He doesn’t have a cult like Johnson.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 51 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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Not an unfair summary really. Although he doesn’t come across as particularly ‘culture war’ based. Plus I don’t think it’s fair that some (not necessarily you RR) purport this ‘culture war’ as being created by the right and completely made up just to keep their conservative votes. Labour regularly play these games also with the exact same intention, keeping their votes.
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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He’s not white
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 58 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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More to the point what does it say about Britain?
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 58 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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More to the point what does it say about Britain?
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How many people make up these polls and where in the country?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 51 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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Not an unfair summary really. Although he doesn’t come across as particularly ‘culture war’ based. Plus I don’t think it’s fair that some (not necessarily you RR) purport this ‘culture war’ as being created by the right and completely made up just to keep their conservative votes. Labour regularly play these games also with the exact same intention, keeping their votes.
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I don't think Sunak is personally into the culture wars / populist politics, but then nor was Johnson. Both are happy to deploy them when it's politically useful. If Sunak didn't think it was useful or was against it on principle, his government wouldn't (for example) have Suella Braverman in the Home Office demonising refugees, etc.
On the 'both sides' culture war question, I think you're factually wrong when it comes to mainstream politics. Of course there are two sides to any ideological war. But on issue after issue the political right is deploying these issues to attempt to mobilise the public in order to win / keep power, whereas the major parties of the centre left want to avoid speaking about it as much as possible. Trans activists, refugee rights advocates, racial justice campaigners / proponents of closer EU integration are perennially disappointed by the Labour party for its lukewarm support / cowardly unwillingness to wholeheartedly embrace their causes. They all know that ideologically, the bulk of the Labour party is sympathetic to their causes. The issue is that as an organisation that's focused on winning power and attracting votes back from former voters who 'defected' to the Tories (largely around Brexit, but also because there's a swathe of people who are left of centre economically, but socially conservative), Labour would really rather keep the conversation away from socially liberal topics.
Did I get my point across? Substantively, Labour does disagree with the Tories on most culture war issues. But operationally, Labour wants to avoid stoking those culture wars, because it wants to push the conversation toward the economic issues where it's potential electorate (older, more traditional / younger, more urban) broadly agree.
It's easy to make policy on the hoof when you're not beholden to any public mandate.
Wait until Sunak actually has to win an election and he will immediately default to the usual demagogic right-wing shiiitehouse politics.
That's the only way you win an election in this country. At least for most of the past 4 decades. And it will only get worse as the median age of the population slowly creeps past 50 over the next 4-5 election cycles.
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
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Including you?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
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Including you?
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Yup. I'm not blinkered by a bog standard MP doing a bog standard deal though like you appear to be. The deal is the easy bit, convincing his mental party to vote it through is the hard bit. I personally think he's too much of a lightweight to deal with the swivel eyed loons in his own ranks that already hate him.
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posted on 2/3/23
Nigel?
posted on 2/3/23
I'm not sure why I was moved to post this today.
So one or no stars are in order.
But 'l feel happy, oh so happy, it's amazing how happy I feel'.
And nothing to do with politics.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nigel?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Keir, I'll edit it and give my head a wobble.
posted on 2/3/23
I gave you 5 stars as you’re a good dude.
I don’t think Sunak is doing a particularly good job. But his worst is still better than the last two morons.
posted on 2/3/23
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
posted on 2/3/23
Nigel Starmer is the new Mike Smalling
posted on 2/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm not sure why I was moved to post this today.
So one or no stars are in order.
But 'l feel happy, oh so happy, it's amazing how happy I feel'.
And nothing to do with politics.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you get your hole?
posted on 2/3/23
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 seconds ago
Nigel Starmer is the new Mike Smalling
---------------------------------------------------------------------
It was Nigel Starmer Smith what done it.
posted on 2/3/23
Is he though?
The single market : amazing for Northern Ireland but somehow not for for the rest of the UK?
Just another lying charlatan (who can’t even get his own wife to pay tax)
NEXT.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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I hardly no enough about him yet. But as a life long Labourite I don't want him appearing anything but a loser, but he isn't.
I want Keir to show some fire, and not just bash the Tories, but shout about what our side can and will do.
posted on 2/3/23
Besides the good headlines he enjoyed for what, a day have been swept aside by the Hancock/Williamson WhatsApp revelations, a timely reminder of how unbelievably sh*t this government has been and continues to be.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
Besides the good headlines he enjoyed for what, a day have been swept aside by the Hancock/Williamson WhatsApp revelations, a timely reminder of how unbelievably sh*t this government has been and continues to be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Know*
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 10 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In my opinion, it says something about his performance, but it also says something (very welcome) about the electorate's breakdown in trust in the Tory party as a whole. By the time Johnson fell, the relatively competent and relatively moderate ones who largely inhabited a reality-based world had been discredited, sidelined or made a fateful decision to embrace post-truth populism, if not purged from the party entirely. There wasn't a good leader waiting in the wings, and the political dynamics of the party (now fully committed to consolidating its support with the hard-right base) meant that you can't be leader of the party without standing for things the country as a whole dislikes.
posted on 2/3/23
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/02/rishi-sunak-northern-ireland-protocol-tory-party?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
And I hadn't read that, honest guv.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 27 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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He doesn’t have a cult like Johnson.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 51 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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Not an unfair summary really. Although he doesn’t come across as particularly ‘culture war’ based. Plus I don’t think it’s fair that some (not necessarily you RR) purport this ‘culture war’ as being created by the right and completely made up just to keep their conservative votes. Labour regularly play these games also with the exact same intention, keeping their votes.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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He’s not white
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 58 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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More to the point what does it say about Britain?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 58 minutes ago
Sunak is currently polling worse than Johnson since becoming leader. What does that say about him?
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More to the point what does it say about Britain?
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How many people make up these polls and where in the country?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 51 minutes ago
He's not a blatant moron like Truss, and not quite the sociopath that Johnson is. Other than that, I wouldn't give him masses of credit. The Tories hit rock bottom, and with it the political weather changed slightly. The public has cottoned on to the emptiness of their rhetoric over the last few years, and the economic damage of both Brexit and austerity are widely understood. This has taken the wind out of the sails of the hard-liners and created a situation wherein it's politically beneficial to pursue a more moderate and pragmatic line. Sunak has consistently been fully signed up to the politics of the hardest possible Brexit, culture wars, and shafting the poor to the extent that those things were politically beneficial in the past. He is good at projecting Sensible Bank Manager, which is probably the best look a Tory can deploy at the moment. Beyond that, in my view he's just as lacking in principle and substance as his predecessors.
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Not an unfair summary really. Although he doesn’t come across as particularly ‘culture war’ based. Plus I don’t think it’s fair that some (not necessarily you RR) purport this ‘culture war’ as being created by the right and completely made up just to keep their conservative votes. Labour regularly play these games also with the exact same intention, keeping their votes.
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I don't think Sunak is personally into the culture wars / populist politics, but then nor was Johnson. Both are happy to deploy them when it's politically useful. If Sunak didn't think it was useful or was against it on principle, his government wouldn't (for example) have Suella Braverman in the Home Office demonising refugees, etc.
On the 'both sides' culture war question, I think you're factually wrong when it comes to mainstream politics. Of course there are two sides to any ideological war. But on issue after issue the political right is deploying these issues to attempt to mobilise the public in order to win / keep power, whereas the major parties of the centre left want to avoid speaking about it as much as possible. Trans activists, refugee rights advocates, racial justice campaigners / proponents of closer EU integration are perennially disappointed by the Labour party for its lukewarm support / cowardly unwillingness to wholeheartedly embrace their causes. They all know that ideologically, the bulk of the Labour party is sympathetic to their causes. The issue is that as an organisation that's focused on winning power and attracting votes back from former voters who 'defected' to the Tories (largely around Brexit, but also because there's a swathe of people who are left of centre economically, but socially conservative), Labour would really rather keep the conversation away from socially liberal topics.
Did I get my point across? Substantively, Labour does disagree with the Tories on most culture war issues. But operationally, Labour wants to avoid stoking those culture wars, because it wants to push the conversation toward the economic issues where it's potential electorate (older, more traditional / younger, more urban) broadly agree.
posted on 2/3/23
It's easy to make policy on the hoof when you're not beholden to any public mandate.
Wait until Sunak actually has to win an election and he will immediately default to the usual demagogic right-wing shiiitehouse politics.
That's the only way you win an election in this country. At least for most of the past 4 decades. And it will only get worse as the median age of the population slowly creeps past 50 over the next 4-5 election cycles.
posted on 2/3/23
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
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Including you?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Sunak is doing the bare minimum expected of a PM of this country, no more no less.
All he's done is hold productive talks with our biggest trading partner without reverting to combative language like "surrender"...oh wait...yes he does...
This country has so many simpletons with a vote.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Including you?
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Yup. I'm not blinkered by a bog standard MP doing a bog standard deal though like you appear to be. The deal is the easy bit, convincing his mental party to vote it through is the hard bit. I personally think he's too much of a lightweight to deal with the swivel eyed loons in his own ranks that already hate him.
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