This could get interesting?
Personally I have no real opinion but it can cause some "heated" debate, good luck here
I'm sure the brains of ja606 can figure this out!
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
The DUP doesn't represent Unionism. The main reason they are refusing to accept *any* form of posy brexit trading arrangements is because they are no longer the biggest party.
They set out seven tests (for the reworked NIP) and when they were met, changed the goalposts stating that no EU laws should apply to NI. An utterly unachievable outcome for obvious reasons.
Girvan (DUP) would (if they reentered Stormont) take up the office of deputy first minister. And ONeill (SF) the First minister position. Whilst equal status is given to both positions, the optics is not something the DUP could stomach.
Insofar as unity is concerned there isn't sufficient support for it at present. Although I agree an eventual certainty. But could only be realised if Unionism is placated. How that would work is anyone's guess.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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Kate Bush has fallen on hard times
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
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Just as ironically Scotland was ‘warned’ that voting NO was the only way to stay in the EU.
It won't happen robb ...
Loyalism and unionist is born and bred on an irish sentiment ...there's going to be to serious trouble ahead for our country if brexit is pushed through ...
The good Friday agreement meant that ireland has a sorta fragile peace ..but because of the FKKKKIN MUPPETS who voted for brexit .....the problem is that the hard border can't be put where it is because of the unilaterally agreed agreement ....this is what is holding brexit up.
The real reason the dup won't return to stormont is because sinn feint have a bigger mandate and have the first minister....and thats the reason that dup won't return.
They also spotted a brilliant opportunity to get a hard border back on the ireland ..and a potential return to trouble.
I'm from a Catholic/church of ireland background too..
It will only be possible when the majority of the Northern Irish population want it.
I don't know why they don't really.
Religion is less of an issue.
And Ireland is richer.
what a daft suggestion. You seem to think NI is like a cup of sugar that the British borrowed from the Irish.
The ramifications of the UK GVT handing over the governance of the north of Ireland back to Dublin would probably lead to a return to the fear intimidation and bloodshead. Over there and over here. It could happen one day but it will be through the ballot box.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
It will only be possible when the majority of the Northern Irish population want it.
I don't know why they don't really.
Religion is less of an issue.
And Ireland is richer.
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Spot on 52 👍
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
It will only be possible when the majority of the Northern Irish population want it.
I don't know why they don't really.
Religion is less of an issue.
And Ireland is richer.
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It's certainly a complex issue. The cost of living in ROI is significantly higher than the UK. Many friends of mine moved from the south to Belfast as they could not afford to live in the south anymore.
As I mentioned above, it's more likely now (and brexit has opened up the conversation again). But I think it could be 20/30+ years away from unification. However if and when it comes to pass the governments of the day need to have a robust framework/mechanisms of what a UI would look like, rather than a wish list of objectives.
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 42 minutes ago
So Matth is a she now?
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he's fronting a cure tribute band
If you want the troubles back then crack on.
Ngl I find the whole sectarian thing absolutely ridiculous.
But no doubt have no idea. They don't tell you much here in England about it really
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 55 minutes ago
The DUP doesn't represent Unionism. The main reason they are refusing to accept *any* form of posy brexit trading arrangements is because they are no longer the biggest party.
They set out seven tests (for the reworked NIP) and when they were met, changed the goalposts stating that no EU laws should apply to NI. An utterly unachievable outcome for obvious reasons.
Girvan (DUP) would (if they reentered Stormont) take up the office of deputy first minister. And ONeill (SF) the First minister position. Whilst equal status is given to both positions, the optics is not something the DUP could stomach.
Insofar as unity is concerned there isn't sufficient support for it at present. Although I agree an eventual certainty. But could only be realised if Unionism is placated. How that would work is anyone's guess.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
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Exactly all of this.
They want to find any reason not to go back.
They were warned what barriers would occur in the event of Brexit and yet most unionists wanted it, puttingnit down to scaremongering. They got what they voted for and now complain about the consequences. It seems to me they won't be happy with any compromise which means the only alternative is a border on the island which appears to be what they want.
They keep talking about the protocol and how it separates them from GB. However the protocol is only a way to get around a border on the island. It's Brexit that 'separates' them from GB, which is what they wanted and what they told their supporters to vote for.
What they have essentially done now is lose some of their supporters and get some thinking about whether they would be better off as part of Ireland, in the EU. This wasn't even a thought most would have entertained in the past.
With a majority of the country now catholic and many protestants now prepared to entertain the idea, it has moved closer, however we're still decades away from it. The nationalist parties are still only looking out for Nationalists, to get a good number on board from the other side they would need to start showing them, why they should support the idea. Also there is a generation they need to wait to die off, who lived through the worst of the troubles as they'll of course want that to start up again should the possibility of uniting arise.
No surrender 3 day bender
My 2 cents
You can talk reuniting once the UK sort out all the problems they have caused in the north. No thanks on broken goods. Also I do wonder how our already overstretched public services would cope with an influx of plus 1 million people
Also has been mentioned you need to placate unionists. At least half the folk there don’t want to be part of the ROI and my fear is a return to the bad old days only this time the bombs are on the streets of Dublin
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 55 minutes ago
The DUP doesn't represent Unionism. The main reason they are refusing to accept *any* form of posy brexit trading arrangements is because they are no longer the biggest party.
They set out seven tests (for the reworked NIP) and when they were met, changed the goalposts stating that no EU laws should apply to NI. An utterly unachievable outcome for obvious reasons.
Girvan (DUP) would (if they reentered Stormont) take up the office of deputy first minister. And ONeill (SF) the First minister position. Whilst equal status is given to both positions, the optics is not something the DUP could stomach.
Insofar as unity is concerned there isn't sufficient support for it at present. Although I agree an eventual certainty. But could only be realised if Unionism is placated. How that would work is anyone's guess.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly all of this.
They want to find any reason not to go back.
They were warned what barriers would occur in the event of Brexit and yet most unionists wanted it, puttingnit down to scaremongering. They got what they voted for and now complain about the consequences. It seems to me they won't be happy with any compromise which means the only alternative is a border on the island which appears to be what they want.
They keep talking about the protocol and how it separates them from GB. However the protocol is only a way to get around a border on the island. It's Brexit that 'separates' them from GB, which is what they wanted and what they told their supporters to vote for.
What they have essentially done now is lose some of their supporters and get some thinking about whether they would be better off as part of Ireland, in the EU. This wasn't even a thought most would have entertained in the past.
With a majority of the country now catholic and many protestants now prepared to entertain the idea, it has moved closer, however we're still decades away from it. The nationalist parties are still only looking out for Nationalists, to get a good number on board from the other side they would need to start showing them, why they should support the idea. Also there is a generation they need to wait to die off, who lived through the worst of the troubles as they'll of course want that to start up again should the possibility of uniting arise.
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Hoisted by their own petard comes to mind.
After rejecting every other outcome for post Brexit arrangements the DUP endorsed Johnson's government's arrangements.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49910285.amp
With Jeffrey Donaldson then stating "customs checks won't change the constitutional status of NI"
Suspect he either didn't bother reading the NIP or was poorly advised by a spad. Either way the party have had a mare.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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He's a cross-dresser now?
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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He's a cross-dresser now?
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He needs to stand on a table in the Blaize and audition that one before a game.
Matth is your most iconic fan
It’s about time England was given back to the Saxons.
We’ve had nearly a Millennium of Norman suppression
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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Better than most of stormzy’s output. Why is matth always half out of shot in all his videos?
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posted on 21/3/23
This could get interesting?
Personally I have no real opinion but it can cause some "heated" debate, good luck here
posted on 21/3/23
I'm sure the brains of ja606 can figure this out!
posted on 21/3/23
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
posted on 21/3/23
The DUP doesn't represent Unionism. The main reason they are refusing to accept *any* form of posy brexit trading arrangements is because they are no longer the biggest party.
They set out seven tests (for the reworked NIP) and when they were met, changed the goalposts stating that no EU laws should apply to NI. An utterly unachievable outcome for obvious reasons.
Girvan (DUP) would (if they reentered Stormont) take up the office of deputy first minister. And ONeill (SF) the First minister position. Whilst equal status is given to both positions, the optics is not something the DUP could stomach.
Insofar as unity is concerned there isn't sufficient support for it at present. Although I agree an eventual certainty. But could only be realised if Unionism is placated. How that would work is anyone's guess.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
posted on 21/3/23
So Matth is a she now?
posted on 21/3/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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Kate Bush has fallen on hard times
posted on 21/3/23
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
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Just as ironically Scotland was ‘warned’ that voting NO was the only way to stay in the EU.
posted on 21/3/23
It won't happen robb ...
Loyalism and unionist is born and bred on an irish sentiment ...there's going to be to serious trouble ahead for our country if brexit is pushed through ...
The good Friday agreement meant that ireland has a sorta fragile peace ..but because of the FKKKKIN MUPPETS who voted for brexit .....the problem is that the hard border can't be put where it is because of the unilaterally agreed agreement ....this is what is holding brexit up.
The real reason the dup won't return to stormont is because sinn feint have a bigger mandate and have the first minister....and thats the reason that dup won't return.
They also spotted a brilliant opportunity to get a hard border back on the ireland ..and a potential return to trouble.
I'm from a Catholic/church of ireland background too..
posted on 21/3/23
It will only be possible when the majority of the Northern Irish population want it.
I don't know why they don't really.
Religion is less of an issue.
And Ireland is richer.
posted on 21/3/23
what a daft suggestion. You seem to think NI is like a cup of sugar that the British borrowed from the Irish.
The ramifications of the UK GVT handing over the governance of the north of Ireland back to Dublin would probably lead to a return to the fear intimidation and bloodshead. Over there and over here. It could happen one day but it will be through the ballot box.
posted on 21/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
It will only be possible when the majority of the Northern Irish population want it.
I don't know why they don't really.
Religion is less of an issue.
And Ireland is richer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on 52 👍
posted on 21/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
It will only be possible when the majority of the Northern Irish population want it.
I don't know why they don't really.
Religion is less of an issue.
And Ireland is richer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's certainly a complex issue. The cost of living in ROI is significantly higher than the UK. Many friends of mine moved from the south to Belfast as they could not afford to live in the south anymore.
As I mentioned above, it's more likely now (and brexit has opened up the conversation again). But I think it could be 20/30+ years away from unification. However if and when it comes to pass the governments of the day need to have a robust framework/mechanisms of what a UI would look like, rather than a wish list of objectives.
posted on 21/3/23
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 42 minutes ago
So Matth is a she now?
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he's fronting a cure tribute band
posted on 21/3/23
If you want the troubles back then crack on.
posted on 21/3/23
Ngl I find the whole sectarian thing absolutely ridiculous.
posted on 21/3/23
But no doubt have no idea. They don't tell you much here in England about it really
posted on 21/3/23
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 55 minutes ago
The DUP doesn't represent Unionism. The main reason they are refusing to accept *any* form of posy brexit trading arrangements is because they are no longer the biggest party.
They set out seven tests (for the reworked NIP) and when they were met, changed the goalposts stating that no EU laws should apply to NI. An utterly unachievable outcome for obvious reasons.
Girvan (DUP) would (if they reentered Stormont) take up the office of deputy first minister. And ONeill (SF) the First minister position. Whilst equal status is given to both positions, the optics is not something the DUP could stomach.
Insofar as unity is concerned there isn't sufficient support for it at present. Although I agree an eventual certainty. But could only be realised if Unionism is placated. How that would work is anyone's guess.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly all of this.
They want to find any reason not to go back.
They were warned what barriers would occur in the event of Brexit and yet most unionists wanted it, puttingnit down to scaremongering. They got what they voted for and now complain about the consequences. It seems to me they won't be happy with any compromise which means the only alternative is a border on the island which appears to be what they want.
They keep talking about the protocol and how it separates them from GB. However the protocol is only a way to get around a border on the island. It's Brexit that 'separates' them from GB, which is what they wanted and what they told their supporters to vote for.
What they have essentially done now is lose some of their supporters and get some thinking about whether they would be better off as part of Ireland, in the EU. This wasn't even a thought most would have entertained in the past.
With a majority of the country now catholic and many protestants now prepared to entertain the idea, it has moved closer, however we're still decades away from it. The nationalist parties are still only looking out for Nationalists, to get a good number on board from the other side they would need to start showing them, why they should support the idea. Also there is a generation they need to wait to die off, who lived through the worst of the troubles as they'll of course want that to start up again should the possibility of uniting arise.
posted on 21/3/23
No surrender 3 day bender
posted on 21/3/23
My 2 cents
You can talk reuniting once the UK sort out all the problems they have caused in the north. No thanks on broken goods. Also I do wonder how our already overstretched public services would cope with an influx of plus 1 million people
Also has been mentioned you need to placate unionists. At least half the folk there don’t want to be part of the ROI and my fear is a return to the bad old days only this time the bombs are on the streets of Dublin
posted on 21/3/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 55 minutes ago
The DUP doesn't represent Unionism. The main reason they are refusing to accept *any* form of posy brexit trading arrangements is because they are no longer the biggest party.
They set out seven tests (for the reworked NIP) and when they were met, changed the goalposts stating that no EU laws should apply to NI. An utterly unachievable outcome for obvious reasons.
Girvan (DUP) would (if they reentered Stormont) take up the office of deputy first minister. And ONeill (SF) the First minister position. Whilst equal status is given to both positions, the optics is not something the DUP could stomach.
Insofar as unity is concerned there isn't sufficient support for it at present. Although I agree an eventual certainty. But could only be realised if Unionism is placated. How that would work is anyone's guess.
Ironically the DUP were warned that brexit could lead to border poll calls, unstablity etc but ignored/disregarded as project fear.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly all of this.
They want to find any reason not to go back.
They were warned what barriers would occur in the event of Brexit and yet most unionists wanted it, puttingnit down to scaremongering. They got what they voted for and now complain about the consequences. It seems to me they won't be happy with any compromise which means the only alternative is a border on the island which appears to be what they want.
They keep talking about the protocol and how it separates them from GB. However the protocol is only a way to get around a border on the island. It's Brexit that 'separates' them from GB, which is what they wanted and what they told their supporters to vote for.
What they have essentially done now is lose some of their supporters and get some thinking about whether they would be better off as part of Ireland, in the EU. This wasn't even a thought most would have entertained in the past.
With a majority of the country now catholic and many protestants now prepared to entertain the idea, it has moved closer, however we're still decades away from it. The nationalist parties are still only looking out for Nationalists, to get a good number on board from the other side they would need to start showing them, why they should support the idea. Also there is a generation they need to wait to die off, who lived through the worst of the troubles as they'll of course want that to start up again should the possibility of uniting arise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hoisted by their own petard comes to mind.
After rejecting every other outcome for post Brexit arrangements the DUP endorsed Johnson's government's arrangements.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49910285.amp
With Jeffrey Donaldson then stating "customs checks won't change the constitutional status of NI"
Suspect he either didn't bother reading the NIP or was poorly advised by a spad. Either way the party have had a mare.
posted on 21/3/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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He's a cross-dresser now?
posted on 21/3/23
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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He's a cross-dresser now?
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He needs to stand on a table in the Blaize and audition that one before a game.
posted on 21/3/23
Matth is your most iconic fan
posted on 21/3/23
It’s about time England was given back to the Saxons.
We’ve had nearly a Millennium of Norman suppression
posted on 21/3/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Yes I think. It would pave the way for us and Scotland to become independent to hopefully.
On a completely different topic here's a song from our long lost friend Matth
https://twitter.com/Manutdfan2022/status/1637763083597668353?t=30bIV5QpEU_ekjPBt1jFPg&s=19
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Better than most of stormzy’s output. Why is matth always half out of shot in all his videos?
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