Ideal scenario is that your parents live in a big city. You go to uni there or get an apprenticeship, you can stay with your parents throughout that or even just move out for uni. Move back in after uni. Stay for a bit whilst you find a job. Stay for another year and save some money for your own place. Buy your own place.
Contrast that to if your parents lived in the middle of nowhere without access to education/jobs etc. Then you just spend all of that time from the first paragraph paying rent to be able to access education and employment. Maybe going home for summer but then also there are no jobs there so can't go home for summer if you want to work.
That's the contrasting role geography plays in this.
I rented in London for 10 years, were good times in shared houses but I cycled through 6 places in that time. Flatmates going travelling or moving in with girlfriends. Then I rented with my girlfriend, 1 place the landlord wanted to sell so we were turfed out, 1 place the owners were coming back to the country so needed the flat back.
Renting is just too insecure for my liking. At least as someone in their 40's rather than 20's.
We brought in London around 2010 then they were throwing money at buyers - 5% deposit and low interest. We were fortunate to buy in an area which then skyrocketed. 4 years ago we bailed on that and moved out to the countryside.
To answer the question - no regrets on buying.
I have worked hard to buy a nice house of a good size and have about 70% equity in it. Both me and my wife will have a decent inheritance to come to us at some point in the not too distant future. Once our kids are grown up and leave home, we will be able to downsize considerably, which will leave us mortgage free with quite a bit of cash to spare. Allowing us to help our kids get on the property ladder. And that is essentially what we are working towards - being able to help our kids. And they will probably do the same with their lives/money. But for what? To say that you own some bricks and mortar? Does it really matter?
If renting was substantially cheaper then I wouldn't be against selling the house and renting - but that isn't the case. So I will just keep on paying the mortgage I guess, as better to be buying something for yourself than for someone else.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Silver
Yeah, we encouraged him, but also told him ti be realistic with his expectations. Less nights out with the lads etc.
He’s moved into a 2bedroom end of terrace that was relatively cheap (if you call £90k cheap).
He’s in the trade, so him and me will do a lot of work ourselves that’s within our capabilities.
Hopefully his sacrifices now will benefit him in the long run.
It’s all about the choices you make to a certain extent, but I do appreciate and understand that not everyone will find themselves in the same (fortunate?) position.
Like I said earlier, if you can, buy.
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Aw, you set me off on another rant - too many people turning their nose up at 'trade' when it can deliver a very decent lifestyle, candidate smart or not.
Gov does not help either by facilitating (keeping off the unemployment statistics) conventional education but telling private emp[loyers to take on apprentices who will fck off on their own soon as they're competent. They'd never ask Barclays to give kids 4 years of FT education for, well, next to fck all so why trade?
Meanwhile you can't get decent tradespeople because the decent ones are choc full.
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I’m not in the trade myself. I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. I’m self taught in a lot of things to do with repair etc, but worked in education.
My son was actually encouraged to go into the trade by me and his mother. That’s where his interests lay, and is what he enjoys and is good at.
Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field in our education system.
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Silver
Yeah, we encouraged him, but also told him ti be realistic with his expectations. Less nights out with the lads etc.
He’s moved into a 2bedroom end of terrace that was relatively cheap (if you call £90k cheap).
He’s in the trade, so him and me will do a lot of work ourselves that’s within our capabilities.
Hopefully his sacrifices now will benefit him in the long run.
It’s all about the choices you make to a certain extent, but I do appreciate and understand that not everyone will find themselves in the same (fortunate?) position.
Like I said earlier, if you can, buy.
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Aw, you set me off on another rant - too many people turning their nose up at 'trade' when it can deliver a very decent lifestyle, candidate smart or not.
Gov does not help either by facilitating (keeping off the unemployment statistics) conventional education but telling private emp[loyers to take on apprentices who will fck off on their own soon as they're competent. They'd never ask Barclays to give kids 4 years of FT education for, well, next to fck all so why trade?
Meanwhile you can't get decent tradespeople because the decent ones are choc full.
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I’m not in the trade myself. I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. I’m self taught in a lot of things to do with repair etc, but worked in education.
My son was actually encouraged to go into the trade by me and his mother. That’s where his interests lay, and is what he enjoys and is good at.
Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field in our education system.
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"I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field"
Clearly didn't teach you how to install a gate or construct a path.
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Silver
Yeah, we encouraged him, but also told him ti be realistic with his expectations. Less nights out with the lads etc.
He’s moved into a 2bedroom end of terrace that was relatively cheap (if you call £90k cheap).
He’s in the trade, so him and me will do a lot of work ourselves that’s within our capabilities.
Hopefully his sacrifices now will benefit him in the long run.
It’s all about the choices you make to a certain extent, but I do appreciate and understand that not everyone will find themselves in the same (fortunate?) position.
Like I said earlier, if you can, buy.
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Aw, you set me off on another rant - too many people turning their nose up at 'trade' when it can deliver a very decent lifestyle, candidate smart or not.
Gov does not help either by facilitating (keeping off the unemployment statistics) conventional education but telling private emp[loyers to take on apprentices who will fck off on their own soon as they're competent. They'd never ask Barclays to give kids 4 years of FT education for, well, next to fck all so why trade?
Meanwhile you can't get decent tradespeople because the decent ones are choc full.
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I’m not in the trade myself. I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. I’m self taught in a lot of things to do with repair etc, but worked in education.
My son was actually encouraged to go into the trade by me and his mother. That’s where his interests lay, and is what he enjoys and is good at.
Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field in our education system.
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"I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field"
Clearly didn't teach you how to install a gate or construct a path.
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Very good.
Has Robb filtered RDD? Surprised he hasn’t derailed this thread if he hasn’t.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 40 minutes ago
I have worked hard to buy a nice house of a good size and have about 70% equity in it. Both me and my wife will have a decent inheritance to come to us at some point in the not too distant future. Once our kids are grown up and leave home, we will be able to downsize considerably, which will leave us mortgage free with quite a bit of cash to spare. Allowing us to help our kids get on the property ladder. And that is essentially what we are working towards - being able to help our kids. And they will probably do the same with their lives/money. But for what? To say that you own some bricks and mortar? Does it really matter?
If renting was substantially cheaper then I wouldn't be against selling the house and renting - but that isn't the case. So I will just keep on paying the mortgage I guess, as better to be buying something for yourself than for someone else.
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Folk being born today are gonna hate the millenials and their massive inheritances from selling the properties those boomers bough for hee-haw.
And so we go on.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
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Largely because of the deficit left to them, there weren't many alternatives.
"there's no money left".
Different instance all together though, Tories generally promote the fact they don't like to raise taxes and prefer to encourage growth.
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posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
m52
I bet footbal was a bit more affordable back then though. Probably about thrupence and two bob bit.
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True enough, it was cheap
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Yeah but that will be a tory industry where different things are valued to non tory industries
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
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Largely because of the deficit left to them, there weren't many alternatives.
"there's no money left".
Different instance all together though, Tories generally promote the fact they don't like to raise taxes and prefer to encourage growth.
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The first part of that is also bollox. The foundations of the argument for Osborne’s austerity programme have been completely debunked, and we know now (and many said at the time) that austerity did much more damage to the economy than good, before the human impact is considered. It was entirely a political choice, not a necessity.
Cut-to-grow during economic downturns is a shiiiit model, which history has demonstrated time and again simply does not work, and surprise surprise it failed again.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
Prof Mark Blyth’s Austerity is an absolutely must-read for anyone still under the impressions that a) Osborne’s austerity programme was forced on the Tories rather than being a political choice, and/or b) it ever had a chance of working for the British economy.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
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there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
Prof Mark Blyth’s Austerity is an absolutely must-read for anyone still under the impressions that a) Osborne’s austerity programme was forced on the Tories rather than being a political choice, and/or b) it ever had a chance of working for the British economy.
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I will look it up
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
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Largely because of the deficit left to them, there weren't many alternatives.
"there's no money left".
Different instance all together though, Tories generally promote the fact they don't like to raise taxes and prefer to encourage growth.
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Did you really, actually believe that?
The word "deluded" doesn't begin to describe you.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
Being able to live with your parents for an extended period is a massive factor these days and how the majority of younger folk afford to buy places. A large percentage though are not able to do that and have to live month to month maybe saving £100 a month.
That doesn't mean one young person is more hard working and sacrificing than the other, just more fortunate circumstances.
In fact, the one that can't afford to buy the house because they are 100% sustainable themselves probably deserves more respect.
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I'm late 20's and was fortunate enough to live with parents after uni but I still paid (admittedly small by comparison) rent every month of £250 to help with food, bills etc.
By comparison I had a friend who was in the same situation except he paid nothing because his parents didn't need it.
To absolute no surprise he now owns his own home whilst I'm renting mine and still trying to save, and I acknowledge I'm one of the luckier ones. Genuinely no idea how those without parental help even manage it today.
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True. Neither my wife or I got any help from our parents as they simply couldn't. In fact my wife bought a home for her parents to live in due to the absolute dump they grew up in. We haven't even bought one for ourselves to live in yet. However that was in a different country where it's cheaper. Our home will likely cost six times what we paid for the home her parents now live in, which is a newly built apartment.
Our kids will have a different experience as we will be able to help a lot. However that's if things don't continue to get worse and owning becomes unaffordable, whilst banks have went too far the other way after irresponsible lending, after the crash in 2008.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
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there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
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there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
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Yeah basically this
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posted 27 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
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there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
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Yeah basically this
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I should add I do the bare minimum as often as possible.
It's possible for me to do it everyday but I want to make improvements as it's a challenge and I need to set myself goals, otherwise I'd have no interest working. What I earn basically pays for childcare and the car which I wouldn't have if I didn't work.
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
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there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
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I much prefer working in my uffice than from home
Only good thing about wfh is time save not travelling
or having soccer on the tv butt even that aint grate becuse cannot really watch it proper
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posted on 4/7/23
Ideal scenario is that your parents live in a big city. You go to uni there or get an apprenticeship, you can stay with your parents throughout that or even just move out for uni. Move back in after uni. Stay for a bit whilst you find a job. Stay for another year and save some money for your own place. Buy your own place.
Contrast that to if your parents lived in the middle of nowhere without access to education/jobs etc. Then you just spend all of that time from the first paragraph paying rent to be able to access education and employment. Maybe going home for summer but then also there are no jobs there so can't go home for summer if you want to work.
That's the contrasting role geography plays in this.
posted on 4/7/23
I rented in London for 10 years, were good times in shared houses but I cycled through 6 places in that time. Flatmates going travelling or moving in with girlfriends. Then I rented with my girlfriend, 1 place the landlord wanted to sell so we were turfed out, 1 place the owners were coming back to the country so needed the flat back.
Renting is just too insecure for my liking. At least as someone in their 40's rather than 20's.
We brought in London around 2010 then they were throwing money at buyers - 5% deposit and low interest. We were fortunate to buy in an area which then skyrocketed. 4 years ago we bailed on that and moved out to the countryside.
To answer the question - no regrets on buying.
posted on 4/7/23
I have worked hard to buy a nice house of a good size and have about 70% equity in it. Both me and my wife will have a decent inheritance to come to us at some point in the not too distant future. Once our kids are grown up and leave home, we will be able to downsize considerably, which will leave us mortgage free with quite a bit of cash to spare. Allowing us to help our kids get on the property ladder. And that is essentially what we are working towards - being able to help our kids. And they will probably do the same with their lives/money. But for what? To say that you own some bricks and mortar? Does it really matter?
If renting was substantially cheaper then I wouldn't be against selling the house and renting - but that isn't the case. So I will just keep on paying the mortgage I guess, as better to be buying something for yourself than for someone else.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Silver
Yeah, we encouraged him, but also told him ti be realistic with his expectations. Less nights out with the lads etc.
He’s moved into a 2bedroom end of terrace that was relatively cheap (if you call £90k cheap).
He’s in the trade, so him and me will do a lot of work ourselves that’s within our capabilities.
Hopefully his sacrifices now will benefit him in the long run.
It’s all about the choices you make to a certain extent, but I do appreciate and understand that not everyone will find themselves in the same (fortunate?) position.
Like I said earlier, if you can, buy.
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Aw, you set me off on another rant - too many people turning their nose up at 'trade' when it can deliver a very decent lifestyle, candidate smart or not.
Gov does not help either by facilitating (keeping off the unemployment statistics) conventional education but telling private emp[loyers to take on apprentices who will fck off on their own soon as they're competent. They'd never ask Barclays to give kids 4 years of FT education for, well, next to fck all so why trade?
Meanwhile you can't get decent tradespeople because the decent ones are choc full.
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I’m not in the trade myself. I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. I’m self taught in a lot of things to do with repair etc, but worked in education.
My son was actually encouraged to go into the trade by me and his mother. That’s where his interests lay, and is what he enjoys and is good at.
Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field in our education system.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Silver
Yeah, we encouraged him, but also told him ti be realistic with his expectations. Less nights out with the lads etc.
He’s moved into a 2bedroom end of terrace that was relatively cheap (if you call £90k cheap).
He’s in the trade, so him and me will do a lot of work ourselves that’s within our capabilities.
Hopefully his sacrifices now will benefit him in the long run.
It’s all about the choices you make to a certain extent, but I do appreciate and understand that not everyone will find themselves in the same (fortunate?) position.
Like I said earlier, if you can, buy.
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Aw, you set me off on another rant - too many people turning their nose up at 'trade' when it can deliver a very decent lifestyle, candidate smart or not.
Gov does not help either by facilitating (keeping off the unemployment statistics) conventional education but telling private emp[loyers to take on apprentices who will fck off on their own soon as they're competent. They'd never ask Barclays to give kids 4 years of FT education for, well, next to fck all so why trade?
Meanwhile you can't get decent tradespeople because the decent ones are choc full.
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I’m not in the trade myself. I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. I’m self taught in a lot of things to do with repair etc, but worked in education.
My son was actually encouraged to go into the trade by me and his mother. That’s where his interests lay, and is what he enjoys and is good at.
Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field in our education system.
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"I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field"
Clearly didn't teach you how to install a gate or construct a path.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 minutes ago
@Silver
Yeah, we encouraged him, but also told him ti be realistic with his expectations. Less nights out with the lads etc.
He’s moved into a 2bedroom end of terrace that was relatively cheap (if you call £90k cheap).
He’s in the trade, so him and me will do a lot of work ourselves that’s within our capabilities.
Hopefully his sacrifices now will benefit him in the long run.
It’s all about the choices you make to a certain extent, but I do appreciate and understand that not everyone will find themselves in the same (fortunate?) position.
Like I said earlier, if you can, buy.
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Aw, you set me off on another rant - too many people turning their nose up at 'trade' when it can deliver a very decent lifestyle, candidate smart or not.
Gov does not help either by facilitating (keeping off the unemployment statistics) conventional education but telling private emp[loyers to take on apprentices who will fck off on their own soon as they're competent. They'd never ask Barclays to give kids 4 years of FT education for, well, next to fck all so why trade?
Meanwhile you can't get decent tradespeople because the decent ones are choc full.
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I’m not in the trade myself. I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. I’m self taught in a lot of things to do with repair etc, but worked in education.
My son was actually encouraged to go into the trade by me and his mother. That’s where his interests lay, and is what he enjoys and is good at.
Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field in our education system.
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"I grew up on a farm, and was taught how to build (primitively) make do and mend. Annoys the feck out of me that there is not enough pathways into this field"
Clearly didn't teach you how to install a gate or construct a path.
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Very good.
posted on 4/7/23
Has Robb filtered RDD? Surprised he hasn’t derailed this thread if he hasn’t.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 40 minutes ago
I have worked hard to buy a nice house of a good size and have about 70% equity in it. Both me and my wife will have a decent inheritance to come to us at some point in the not too distant future. Once our kids are grown up and leave home, we will be able to downsize considerably, which will leave us mortgage free with quite a bit of cash to spare. Allowing us to help our kids get on the property ladder. And that is essentially what we are working towards - being able to help our kids. And they will probably do the same with their lives/money. But for what? To say that you own some bricks and mortar? Does it really matter?
If renting was substantially cheaper then I wouldn't be against selling the house and renting - but that isn't the case. So I will just keep on paying the mortgage I guess, as better to be buying something for yourself than for someone else.
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Folk being born today are gonna hate the millenials and their massive inheritances from selling the properties those boomers bough for hee-haw.
And so we go on.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
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Largely because of the deficit left to them, there weren't many alternatives.
"there's no money left".
Different instance all together though, Tories generally promote the fact they don't like to raise taxes and prefer to encourage growth.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
m52
I bet footbal was a bit more affordable back then though. Probably about thrupence and two bob bit.
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True enough, it was cheap
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Yeah but that will be a tory industry where different things are valued to non tory industries
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
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What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
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Largely because of the deficit left to them, there weren't many alternatives.
"there's no money left".
Different instance all together though, Tories generally promote the fact they don't like to raise taxes and prefer to encourage growth.
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The first part of that is also bollox. The foundations of the argument for Osborne’s austerity programme have been completely debunked, and we know now (and many said at the time) that austerity did much more damage to the economy than good, before the human impact is considered. It was entirely a political choice, not a necessity.
Cut-to-grow during economic downturns is a shiiiit model, which history has demonstrated time and again simply does not work, and surprise surprise it failed again.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
posted on 4/7/23
Prof Mark Blyth’s Austerity is an absolutely must-read for anyone still under the impressions that a) Osborne’s austerity programme was forced on the Tories rather than being a political choice, and/or b) it ever had a chance of working for the British economy.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
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Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
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Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
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there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
Prof Mark Blyth’s Austerity is an absolutely must-read for anyone still under the impressions that a) Osborne’s austerity programme was forced on the Tories rather than being a political choice, and/or b) it ever had a chance of working for the British economy.
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I will look it up
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Busby's a tory, you think he cares about poor people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you had any idea what you were talking about you’d realise raising VAT is about as far from a conservative policy as possible and the first thing Starmer would do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
More or less the first thing the coward Cameron did when he was elected was to raise VAT to 20%. 4th January 2011
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Largely because of the deficit left to them, there weren't many alternatives.
"there's no money left".
Different instance all together though, Tories generally promote the fact they don't like to raise taxes and prefer to encourage growth.
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Did you really, actually believe that?
The word "deluded" doesn't begin to describe you.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
Being able to live with your parents for an extended period is a massive factor these days and how the majority of younger folk afford to buy places. A large percentage though are not able to do that and have to live month to month maybe saving £100 a month.
That doesn't mean one young person is more hard working and sacrificing than the other, just more fortunate circumstances.
In fact, the one that can't afford to buy the house because they are 100% sustainable themselves probably deserves more respect.
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I'm late 20's and was fortunate enough to live with parents after uni but I still paid (admittedly small by comparison) rent every month of £250 to help with food, bills etc.
By comparison I had a friend who was in the same situation except he paid nothing because his parents didn't need it.
To absolute no surprise he now owns his own home whilst I'm renting mine and still trying to save, and I acknowledge I'm one of the luckier ones. Genuinely no idea how those without parental help even manage it today.
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True. Neither my wife or I got any help from our parents as they simply couldn't. In fact my wife bought a home for her parents to live in due to the absolute dump they grew up in. We haven't even bought one for ourselves to live in yet. However that was in a different country where it's cheaper. Our home will likely cost six times what we paid for the home her parents now live in, which is a newly built apartment.
Our kids will have a different experience as we will be able to help a lot. However that's if things don't continue to get worse and owning becomes unaffordable, whilst banks have went too far the other way after irresponsible lending, after the crash in 2008.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
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Yeah basically this
posted on 4/7/23
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
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Yeah basically this
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I should add I do the bare minimum as often as possible.
posted on 4/7/23
It's possible for me to do it everyday but I want to make improvements as it's a challenge and I need to set myself goals, otherwise I'd have no interest working. What I earn basically pays for childcare and the car which I wouldn't have if I didn't work.
posted on 4/7/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Pierre Reedy (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
There probably is a generation now that finished uni around covid time, stayed with their parents, got a job which allows remote working, they continue to stay with their parents and work from home and save loads of money.
Flexible working is the way forward to meet people's personal circumstances and allow them to buy a property which they wouldn't be able to (geographically) if they had to be in an office every day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree to an extent, we've promoted flexible working at my place way before lockdown, and surprisingly the majority tend to come in office at least 3 times a week.
Those that haven't, generally haven't progressed well within the company.
I think it works better at big entities where your role is largely prescriptive. But I'm sure we all know that person who works from home, does the bare minimum and makes a living off of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any reason why those who wfh more don’t progress? Or is it a company thing? Might not be policy but a lot of big companies operate like this
I work for American pharmaceutical company so have seen this, I go into the office as little as possible
----------------------------------------------------------------------
there’s been a few reasons;
- it’s difficult to learn from experienced team members remotely, you miss out on a lot of the conversation and problem solving.
- we’re quite small so there isn’t always a process to follow for every scenario and admittedly we’ve learnt a lot from previous onboarding. It’s also very difficult to manage people remotely in my experience, harder to build relationships.
- some people just get away with the bare minimum which doesn’t fit our values and is unfair on those who do put the effort in and log the billable hours.
I’d add, we are extremely flexible and some do well remotely with just occasional visits. As mentioned we have done this for 10 years now.
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My wife got two promotions whilst working from home and did more work at home than in the office, same hours but working for two hours instead of sitting in traffic.
When I work from home I can definitely get more done also, less time having to deal with nonsense when people call in to see you and I do...most of the time. But there are definitely days where I just couldn't be bothered and just do the bare minimum. That wouldn't happen if I was in the office.
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I much prefer working in my uffice than from home
Only good thing about wfh is time save not travelling
or having soccer on the tv butt even that aint grate becuse cannot really watch it proper
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