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comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
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How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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Yes, both are abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent and only an Israel sympathiser would try to claim they were equally abhorrent.
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I'm neither, I'm not taking sides.
Innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians are the victims.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
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We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
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We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
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Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
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The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
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The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
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To an extent you’re right and while trust me - I’m no fan of Israel being allowed to continue running roughshod over the Palestinians most normal thinking people would accept after what Hamas did the Israelis should have been allowed to find the people responsible and do what they liked to them.
The issue is - and most normal thinking people agree - that the Israeli response has gone waaaaay too far and is now an indiscriminate attack rather than the surgical one they should have taken.
You would think America would have told them a better way to go into a country and wipe out a militant group. Still not pretty but would be better for Israel in the long run
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
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The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
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To an extent you’re right and while trust me - I’m no fan of Israel being allowed to continue running roughshod over the Palestinians most normal thinking people would accept after what Hamas did the Israelis should have been allowed to find the people responsible and do what they liked to them.
The issue is - and most normal thinking people agree - that the Israeli response has gone waaaaay too far and is now an indiscriminate attack rather than the surgical one they should have taken.
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They could have taken a week for grieving and then systematically set about wiping Hamas out properly with combined IDF and western intelligence forces, if they wanted to.
Blasting Gaza to rubble just smacks of Israel taking advantage of the situation to claim more territory in the long run.
The notion that an occupier is in a defensive position is absurd. By being the occupier they are already in an offensive position.
They also arrested hundreds in the West Bank. They can hold them indefinitely. People find it appalling that Hamas took hostages yet near silence on Israel doing something much worse. These are the hostages that Israel is adding to the ones they already have in Prison.
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
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How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 2 minutes ago
You would think America would have told them a better way to go into a country and wipe out a militant group. Still not pretty but would be better for Israel in the long run
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They have the capability to be more precise, yet have decided to take the approach that will result in maximum casualties. This is disgraceful and deserves the highest level of condemnation.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
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I'm aware of the history, actions and tactics of Israel. I was commenting on the loss of innocent lives, very little else.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 3 minutes ago
The notion that an occupier is in a defensive position is absurd. By being the occupier they are already in an offensive position.
They also arrested hundreds in the West Bank. They can hold them indefinitely. People find it appalling that Hamas took hostages yet near silence on Israel doing something much worse. These are the hostages that Israel is adding to the ones they already have in Prison.
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Israel are constantly taking "hostages" for decades now and they can legally be held indefinitely whereas Israelis get their human rights.
When they fight back then they are labelled the offending entity. How does Israel pull this off?
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
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We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
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Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
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I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
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I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
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Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
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Definition of globalism :
"the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."
How is globalism an insult? Ffs
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To an extent you’re right and while trust me - I’m no fan of Israel being allowed to continue running roughshod over the Palestinians most normal thinking people would accept after what Hamas did the Israelis should have been allowed to find the people responsible and do what they liked to them.
The issue is - and most normal thinking people agree - that the Israeli response has gone waaaaay too far and is now an indiscriminate attack rather than the surgical one they should have taken.
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Then find those responsible and put them on trial.
They have no right to launch military attacks on a civilian area. These are conditions they have imposed on them in the first place. They refuse to give them their rights, so can't talk about self-defence.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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Yes, both are abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent and only an Israel sympathiser would try to claim they were equally abhorrent.
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Hamas doing what they did last week was only going to bring one outcome!
Going over the border and killing civilians and 6pm think the Israeli’s weren’t going to bomb the sh!t up of everything?
Religion is the real evil in the world, the lot of it needs to fack off!
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both acts equally as abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm aware of the history, actions and tactics of Israel. I was commenting on the loss of innocent lives, very little else.
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I know. You questioned why you should care about one set of atrocities versus the other, and gave a pretty straightforward, moral reason; the deaths of those that we bear some responsibility for should weigh more heavily on our conscience's then those for which we are not responsible. This is just elementary morality.
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Definition of globalism :
"the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."
How is globalism an insult? Ffs
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It’s just a trendy word to use as an insult these days as it’s been hijacked by the conspiratorial right wing.
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posted 2 seconds ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both acts equally as abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm aware of the history, actions and tactics of Israel. I was commenting on the loss of innocent lives, very little else.
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I know. You questioned why you should care about one set of atrocities versus the other, and gave a pretty straightforward, moral reason; the deaths of those that we bear some responsibility for should weigh more heavily on our conscience's then those for which we are not responsible. This is just elementary morality.
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Should weigh heavily on decision makers, yes.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
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Inequality, unemployment and downward wage pressures are likely, however my concern with globalisation isn’t the economic impact (which could go either way) but the social and technological impacts and how it could be implemented.
War is horrible, but it stops tyrants and dictators.
I think we can all agree that whatever rights Israel had to catch the people who committed the atrocities they’re literally getting away with murder on a massive scale and unless they’re stopped the war will probably spread with Hezbollah getting involved and making this a very very dangerous situation for the wider world.
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Definition of globalism :
"the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."
How is globalism an insult? Ffs
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It’s just a trendy word to use as an insult these days as it’s been hijacked by the conspiratorial right wing.
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Like woke. Right wingers don't seem to know the meanings of many words.
Inequality, unemployment and downward wage pressures is the life we are currently living. Globalism proposes solutions to that.
War doesn't stop tyrants and dictators. It just replaces them with new dictators and tyrants.
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 16 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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Yes, both are abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent and only an Israel sympathiser would try to claim they were equally abhorrent.
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I'm neither, I'm not taking sides.
Innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians are the victims.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
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We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
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The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
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To an extent you’re right and while trust me - I’m no fan of Israel being allowed to continue running roughshod over the Palestinians most normal thinking people would accept after what Hamas did the Israelis should have been allowed to find the people responsible and do what they liked to them.
The issue is - and most normal thinking people agree - that the Israeli response has gone waaaaay too far and is now an indiscriminate attack rather than the surgical one they should have taken.
posted on 17/10/23
You would think America would have told them a better way to go into a country and wipe out a militant group. Still not pretty but would be better for Israel in the long run
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
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The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
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To an extent you’re right and while trust me - I’m no fan of Israel being allowed to continue running roughshod over the Palestinians most normal thinking people would accept after what Hamas did the Israelis should have been allowed to find the people responsible and do what they liked to them.
The issue is - and most normal thinking people agree - that the Israeli response has gone waaaaay too far and is now an indiscriminate attack rather than the surgical one they should have taken.
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They could have taken a week for grieving and then systematically set about wiping Hamas out properly with combined IDF and western intelligence forces, if they wanted to.
Blasting Gaza to rubble just smacks of Israel taking advantage of the situation to claim more territory in the long run.
posted on 17/10/23
The notion that an occupier is in a defensive position is absurd. By being the occupier they are already in an offensive position.
They also arrested hundreds in the West Bank. They can hold them indefinitely. People find it appalling that Hamas took hostages yet near silence on Israel doing something much worse. These are the hostages that Israel is adding to the ones they already have in Prison.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
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How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 2 minutes ago
You would think America would have told them a better way to go into a country and wipe out a militant group. Still not pretty but would be better for Israel in the long run
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They have the capability to be more precise, yet have decided to take the approach that will result in maximum casualties. This is disgraceful and deserves the highest level of condemnation.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
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I'm aware of the history, actions and tactics of Israel. I was commenting on the loss of innocent lives, very little else.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 3 minutes ago
The notion that an occupier is in a defensive position is absurd. By being the occupier they are already in an offensive position.
They also arrested hundreds in the West Bank. They can hold them indefinitely. People find it appalling that Hamas took hostages yet near silence on Israel doing something much worse. These are the hostages that Israel is adding to the ones they already have in Prison.
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Israel are constantly taking "hostages" for decades now and they can legally be held indefinitely whereas Israelis get their human rights.
When they fight back then they are labelled the offending entity. How does Israel pull this off?
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
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We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
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Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
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I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
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We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
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Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
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I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
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Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
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I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
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Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
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Definition of globalism :
"the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."
How is globalism an insult? Ffs
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
OP, you once had an issue with me calling Isis ‘savages’ - if it helps then I absolutely call Israel savages too as while they absolutely had a right to defend themselves after such an evil terrorist attack they’re now committing evil attacks themselves and of this happened they have to end all hostilities now and withdraw back to their own (illegal) borders as they’ve gone waaaaaay past a proportionally ‘fair’ response.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The notion of Israel defending itself is an absolute fallacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To an extent you’re right and while trust me - I’m no fan of Israel being allowed to continue running roughshod over the Palestinians most normal thinking people would accept after what Hamas did the Israelis should have been allowed to find the people responsible and do what they liked to them.
The issue is - and most normal thinking people agree - that the Israeli response has gone waaaaay too far and is now an indiscriminate attack rather than the surgical one they should have taken.
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Then find those responsible and put them on trial.
They have no right to launch military attacks on a civilian area. These are conditions they have imposed on them in the first place. They refuse to give them their rights, so can't talk about self-defence.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
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Both acts equally as abhorrent.
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Still wrong.
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What?
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They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
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Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
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Yes, both are abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent and only an Israel sympathiser would try to claim they were equally abhorrent.
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Hamas doing what they did last week was only going to bring one outcome!
Going over the border and killing civilians and 6pm think the Israeli’s weren’t going to bomb the sh!t up of everything?
Religion is the real evil in the world, the lot of it needs to fack off!
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both acts equally as abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm aware of the history, actions and tactics of Israel. I was commenting on the loss of innocent lives, very little else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know. You questioned why you should care about one set of atrocities versus the other, and gave a pretty straightforward, moral reason; the deaths of those that we bear some responsibility for should weigh more heavily on our conscience's then those for which we are not responsible. This is just elementary morality.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Definition of globalism :
"the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."
How is globalism an insult? Ffs
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It’s just a trendy word to use as an insult these days as it’s been hijacked by the conspiratorial right wing.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
What Hamas did was abhorrent, what the IDF are doing is an act of revenge.
====
How is that even possible?
If anything, it's Hamas attack that's an act of revenge as Israel have been abhorrent for decades. It's surprising any schools or hospitals are still left in Gaza. They must rebuild them pretty fast after every attack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both acts equally as abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Still wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're not equally abhorrent. Why are you insistent on them being equally abhorrent anyway? They're both abhorrent, but not equally abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why should I rank one ahead of the other? I find both abhorrent ! These are innocent lives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One set of crimes is done with British support; the Royal Navy conducts joint exercises & training with the Israeli Navy in the Gaza sea, effectively helping to enforce the blockade. We provide arms to Israel. We have to significant lobby groups in Parliament (Lab/Con Friends of Israel) and so on. Basically, as Brits, we bear respsonsibility from Britain's conduct in the world. On the basis that we are responsible for the predicted consequences our own actions, it's those that we should be most concerned about and focussed on.
TLDR? Israel's crimes are not only greater than anything comparable to that of Palestinian factions, but our own complicity of them should mean we view them as significantly more abhorrent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm aware of the history, actions and tactics of Israel. I was commenting on the loss of innocent lives, very little else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know. You questioned why you should care about one set of atrocities versus the other, and gave a pretty straightforward, moral reason; the deaths of those that we bear some responsibility for should weigh more heavily on our conscience's then those for which we are not responsible. This is just elementary morality.
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Should weigh heavily on decision makers, yes.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
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Inequality, unemployment and downward wage pressures are likely, however my concern with globalisation isn’t the economic impact (which could go either way) but the social and technological impacts and how it could be implemented.
War is horrible, but it stops tyrants and dictators.
posted on 17/10/23
I think we can all agree that whatever rights Israel had to catch the people who committed the atrocities they’re literally getting away with murder on a massive scale and unless they’re stopped the war will probably spread with Hezbollah getting involved and making this a very very dangerous situation for the wider world.
posted on 17/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
Jordan, Qatar and other Arab nations making statements now. Silence from the west and western media still calling the attack "alleged".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We all know why that is. The west have picked their side and Islamic nations have picked theirs.
This is disgusting, just as disgusting as the Hamas attacks. They’re as bad as each other and need to get round the negotiation table before it’s too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Busby, you keep calling me a Globalist. What do you think that word means? Tell me how you think it’s an insult
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t like the idea of a world governed by a minority of or the idea of further wealth disparity.
Besides, if you think globalism means no war you’re mistaken.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clearly you don't understand what you're talking about. Greater wealth disparity especially is directly opposite of what globalism envisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Definition of globalism :
"the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis."
How is globalism an insult? Ffs
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It’s just a trendy word to use as an insult these days as it’s been hijacked by the conspiratorial right wing.
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Like woke. Right wingers don't seem to know the meanings of many words.
posted on 17/10/23
Inequality, unemployment and downward wage pressures is the life we are currently living. Globalism proposes solutions to that.
War doesn't stop tyrants and dictators. It just replaces them with new dictators and tyrants.
posted on 17/10/23
2-1 England. Get in
Who's winning out of these 2?
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