https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/united-arab-emirates/
Fair play up until my boys were born I didn't miss a game either home or away for around 5-6 seasons and a few Euro gigs thrown in as well, they come along and I started working an additional job at weekends and some nights and along with that and the time they take up football took a back seat.
Now they are grown men and have their own houses I could go back more but the 8-10 games I manage seems enough, lost a fair bit of the passion I used to have and now if we get beat I'm upset for a few hours but no longer the week that would have happened before.
As for your owners fans have very little say in who buys the club or what they do, I have 3 dugs now who are more important to me that my club things change and move on mate
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
Can't even write one paragraph without mentioning yours truly.
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
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You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 second ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
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You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
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What?
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 second ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
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You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
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If Qatar had bought us, or if they come back with a higher offer. Their human rights are no better. So you would be off to Warrington or equivalent
Jeez, the UK Government are supplying Israel with surveillance equipment and people are criticising Abu Dhabi.
The only criminal thing about the UAE is the price of the beer which is freely available unlike Qatar.
What happened to Football Club of Manchester?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 second ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
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If Qatar had bought us, or if they come back with a higher offer. Their human rights are no better. So you would be off to Warrington or equivalent
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What do you mean "us"?
I support Wolves
Great article grated. Sounds like your experience has been very similar to mine.
My only problem ata present is not being able to get tickets for away games.
No problem with the owners though I do take the time to factcheck the accusations in the media, whilst also ignoring most of the tripe the Chatham House experts on ja606 either invent or misinterpret.
Maine Road was more of a rite of passage than a happy memory, I certainly don't miss standing in knee-deep pizzz in the Kippax bogs or getting pelted with coins by away fans.
I certainly don't miss some of the chancers we signed like Nigel Clough or Steve MacManaman yet I still appreciate the likes of Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and even Joey Barton before he lost his marbles.
La Liga is the only place where you can perpepuate success (if you're RM or Barca) so I'll continue to enjoy the (mainly) good times whilst I can.
I know how you feel Grated. I make the occasional journey to Chorley Town of all places. Just a different experience.
Thats fair comment from the City fans on here maybe not feeling it quite as much as before, personal circumstances or the way football/club is run or going.
Like Boris I'm enjoying the ride, I stood in the kippax being spat at, coins thrown at me and wondering how I survived not getting crushed as a kid with the little wall at the bottom, great times though although saying all of that.
If it does all come crashing down, l'll enjoy the good memories of us better than all the rest by some distance and enjoy the next journey. Saying that another decade of this will do me.
The changing nature of this site, in some ways, reflects the change in many football related aspects we’ve gone through in recent years. Whereas previously, we as city fans could have and perhaps should have, engaged more in a debate and discussion around the moral conflicts that I know many of us have regarding the ‘fit and proper’ notion of our owners, we didn’t. Understandably, we embraced the opportunity to put Pearce and Beanie behind us relive the highs of an earlier era that I am sadly old enough to remember.
It is undeniable that we have been given some football played at the highest end of excellence and have revelled in the moments of glory it has delivered. But, for those blessed or plagued with a conscience, the question remains in our minds - at what cost? For those sat in either their armchair or the heated seats of the second tier, it is not a question that is answered by a prison cell. It is, however, for some and we know it.
It is apposite that Grated’s post should appear in the very week that a UAE minister states to the world that there is no science behind the impact of fossil fuel on climate change - a debate, that if conducted on this site, would follow the usual tack.
As a single football fan I can’t change the ownership of my club, much in the same way I can’t majorly affect the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere. Grated, you are where a number of us I believe - on the horns of a dilemma where we must find our most acceptable place to sit.
I've no problem with our owners coming from an oil producing country considering the US, Saudi Arabia and China are way ahead of the UAE in that league table and all those countries have citizens that own PL clubs.
I was a lot more concerned about club ownership when Thaksin Shinawatra was at the helm, a lot of fans were OK with that though because he put on a free spread for supporters in Albert Sq. plus he had a fit daughter.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've no problem with our owners coming from an oil producing country considering the US, Saudi Arabia and China are way ahead of the UAE in that league table and all those countries have citizens that own PL clubs.
I was a lot more concerned about club ownership when Thaksin Shinawatra was at the helm, a lot of fans were OK with that though because he put on a free spread for supporters in Albert Sq. plus he had a fit daughter.
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That like sayin peeppe dont like Trump becuse he has sheet hare style.
Their moor 2 it
You would have to expain that one to me.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 hours ago
I've no problem with our owners coming from an oil producing country considering the US, Saudi Arabia and China are way ahead of the UAE in that league table and all those countries have citizens that own PL clubs.
I was a lot more concerned about club ownership when Thaksin Shinawatra was at the helm, a lot of fans were OK with that though because he put on a free spread for supporters in Albert Sq. plus he had a fit daughter.
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It's a fair point about Frank and his background. Same goes with all the Chinese product we consume, as with the with the Keterboxes from Israel. All I'm saying Boris is it's ultimately yourself you've got to live with.
I also don't go as much as I used to, just other things in my life. When I first moved overseas I missed Maine Road hugely and despite living a long while in Brazil where there was a game on TV every night, I always tried to find a way to watch City.
I don't post as much as I used to, largely because it seems to be less a football forum and more just a string on wum attempts. The admins have a thankless task so I will not blame them but it is killing the site sadly.
The football at City has been such a glorious thing to watch, the likes of Silva x2, Aguero, KDB, Vinnie etc have changed the way the game is played and I am grateful to have seen them.
It's certainly not the place to come if you want a serious discussion on anything concerning City.
The football landscape has changed over the last 20 years, just as it changed over the previous 20 years and every decade before that.
We've definately part of the more recent changes but we're certainly not responsible for many of the negative aspects that the media try to blame us for.
We certainly weren't the first club to 'monetize' football, neither were we the first to have wealthy foreign owners.
People like David Bernstein were instrumental in us being an attractive proposition to potential new owners. Khaldoon is really the person I credit for taking us to a different level with his appointments of key figures like Txiki Begiristain, Ferran Soriano and ultimately, Pep.
Sorry to hear your having the doubts about football and City.
When all is said and done this is football part of the entertainment industry not life and death.
And if you early want to feel bad about the corruption of football by money you need look no further than our scouse friends and their sugar daddy Littlewood Pools. That was the start of money corrupting football. But do they feel guilty about it, not a chance.
That’s quite the realisation, and I guess most City fans will realise it eventually. The case against the PL will open many eyes.
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posted on 4/12/23
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/united-arab-emirates/
posted on 4/12/23
Fair play up until my boys were born I didn't miss a game either home or away for around 5-6 seasons and a few Euro gigs thrown in as well, they come along and I started working an additional job at weekends and some nights and along with that and the time they take up football took a back seat.
Now they are grown men and have their own houses I could go back more but the 8-10 games I manage seems enough, lost a fair bit of the passion I used to have and now if we get beat I'm upset for a few hours but no longer the week that would have happened before.
As for your owners fans have very little say in who buys the club or what they do, I have 3 dugs now who are more important to me that my club things change and move on mate
posted on 4/12/23
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
posted on 4/12/23
Can't even write one paragraph without mentioning yours truly.
posted on 4/12/23
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
posted on 4/12/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 second ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
posted on 4/12/23
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 second ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If Qatar had bought us, or if they come back with a higher offer. Their human rights are no better. So you would be off to Warrington or equivalent
posted on 4/12/23
Jeez, the UK Government are supplying Israel with surveillance equipment and people are criticising Abu Dhabi.
The only criminal thing about the UAE is the price of the beer which is freely available unlike Qatar.
posted on 4/12/23
What happened to Football Club of Manchester?
posted on 4/12/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 second ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour ago
Reading this, it's difficult not to feel some sympathy towards the genuine Man Cheaty fans.
Obviously, it's not your fault your owners have broken countless rules, and cheated their way to success for a number of years now.
I don't know much about Warrington Town, but if I were you I would be taking that short walk instead of condoning what's been so clearly going on at the Etihad for a decade and a half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll apply the same moral stance to United of course
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If Qatar had bought us, or if they come back with a higher offer. Their human rights are no better. So you would be off to Warrington or equivalent
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What do you mean "us"?
I support Wolves
posted on 4/12/23
*FC United of Manchester
posted on 4/12/23
Great article grated. Sounds like your experience has been very similar to mine.
posted on 4/12/23
Grate artical
posted on 4/12/23
My only problem ata present is not being able to get tickets for away games.
No problem with the owners though I do take the time to factcheck the accusations in the media, whilst also ignoring most of the tripe the Chatham House experts on ja606 either invent or misinterpret.
Maine Road was more of a rite of passage than a happy memory, I certainly don't miss standing in knee-deep pizzz in the Kippax bogs or getting pelted with coins by away fans.
I certainly don't miss some of the chancers we signed like Nigel Clough or Steve MacManaman yet I still appreciate the likes of Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and even Joey Barton before he lost his marbles.
La Liga is the only place where you can perpepuate success (if you're RM or Barca) so I'll continue to enjoy the (mainly) good times whilst I can.
posted on 5/12/23
I know how you feel Grated. I make the occasional journey to Chorley Town of all places. Just a different experience.
posted on 5/12/23
Thats fair comment from the City fans on here maybe not feeling it quite as much as before, personal circumstances or the way football/club is run or going.
Like Boris I'm enjoying the ride, I stood in the kippax being spat at, coins thrown at me and wondering how I survived not getting crushed as a kid with the little wall at the bottom, great times though although saying all of that.
If it does all come crashing down, l'll enjoy the good memories of us better than all the rest by some distance and enjoy the next journey. Saying that another decade of this will do me.
posted on 5/12/23
The changing nature of this site, in some ways, reflects the change in many football related aspects we’ve gone through in recent years. Whereas previously, we as city fans could have and perhaps should have, engaged more in a debate and discussion around the moral conflicts that I know many of us have regarding the ‘fit and proper’ notion of our owners, we didn’t. Understandably, we embraced the opportunity to put Pearce and Beanie behind us relive the highs of an earlier era that I am sadly old enough to remember.
It is undeniable that we have been given some football played at the highest end of excellence and have revelled in the moments of glory it has delivered. But, for those blessed or plagued with a conscience, the question remains in our minds - at what cost? For those sat in either their armchair or the heated seats of the second tier, it is not a question that is answered by a prison cell. It is, however, for some and we know it.
It is apposite that Grated’s post should appear in the very week that a UAE minister states to the world that there is no science behind the impact of fossil fuel on climate change - a debate, that if conducted on this site, would follow the usual tack.
As a single football fan I can’t change the ownership of my club, much in the same way I can’t majorly affect the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere. Grated, you are where a number of us I believe - on the horns of a dilemma where we must find our most acceptable place to sit.
posted on 5/12/23
I've no problem with our owners coming from an oil producing country considering the US, Saudi Arabia and China are way ahead of the UAE in that league table and all those countries have citizens that own PL clubs.
I was a lot more concerned about club ownership when Thaksin Shinawatra was at the helm, a lot of fans were OK with that though because he put on a free spread for supporters in Albert Sq. plus he had a fit daughter.
posted on 5/12/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I've no problem with our owners coming from an oil producing country considering the US, Saudi Arabia and China are way ahead of the UAE in that league table and all those countries have citizens that own PL clubs.
I was a lot more concerned about club ownership when Thaksin Shinawatra was at the helm, a lot of fans were OK with that though because he put on a free spread for supporters in Albert Sq. plus he had a fit daughter.
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That like sayin peeppe dont like Trump becuse he has sheet hare style.
Their moor 2 it
posted on 5/12/23
You would have to expain that one to me.
posted on 5/12/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 hours ago
I've no problem with our owners coming from an oil producing country considering the US, Saudi Arabia and China are way ahead of the UAE in that league table and all those countries have citizens that own PL clubs.
I was a lot more concerned about club ownership when Thaksin Shinawatra was at the helm, a lot of fans were OK with that though because he put on a free spread for supporters in Albert Sq. plus he had a fit daughter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a fair point about Frank and his background. Same goes with all the Chinese product we consume, as with the with the Keterboxes from Israel. All I'm saying Boris is it's ultimately yourself you've got to live with.
posted on 5/12/23
I also don't go as much as I used to, just other things in my life. When I first moved overseas I missed Maine Road hugely and despite living a long while in Brazil where there was a game on TV every night, I always tried to find a way to watch City.
I don't post as much as I used to, largely because it seems to be less a football forum and more just a string on wum attempts. The admins have a thankless task so I will not blame them but it is killing the site sadly.
The football at City has been such a glorious thing to watch, the likes of Silva x2, Aguero, KDB, Vinnie etc have changed the way the game is played and I am grateful to have seen them.
posted on 5/12/23
It's certainly not the place to come if you want a serious discussion on anything concerning City.
The football landscape has changed over the last 20 years, just as it changed over the previous 20 years and every decade before that.
We've definately part of the more recent changes but we're certainly not responsible for many of the negative aspects that the media try to blame us for.
We certainly weren't the first club to 'monetize' football, neither were we the first to have wealthy foreign owners.
People like David Bernstein were instrumental in us being an attractive proposition to potential new owners. Khaldoon is really the person I credit for taking us to a different level with his appointments of key figures like Txiki Begiristain, Ferran Soriano and ultimately, Pep.
posted on 6/12/23
Sorry to hear your having the doubts about football and City.
When all is said and done this is football part of the entertainment industry not life and death.
And if you early want to feel bad about the corruption of football by money you need look no further than our scouse friends and their sugar daddy Littlewood Pools. That was the start of money corrupting football. But do they feel guilty about it, not a chance.
posted on 7/12/23
That’s quite the realisation, and I guess most City fans will realise it eventually. The case against the PL will open many eyes.
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