Forzus
What about the end of season 1, wasn’t there some weird supernatural portal thing and it was connected to HP Lovecraft?
Spurtle
Maybe for rubbish poorly written stuff that I have no interest in. True Detective and Fargo aren’t that.
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Forzus
What about the end of season 1, wasn’t there some weird supernatural portal thing and it was connected to HP Lovecraft?
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That was a hallucination scene by Rust, remember he had that condition ware he see n hear n smell stuff thst is not there
It was foreshadowed on the drive 2 the bad place when Marty ask him if he still haddem n he said not much butt always knew they were hsllucinates
He lied as continhuing the unreliabubble narrator theme of the show
Wish it had gone full Lovecrafty tho
Oh sh-t it was wasn’t it, been a decade since I watched it.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
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It isnt
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
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Just generally forcing agendas on us about race, gender and sexuality and how it's become something of a trend currently. The idea of presenting masculinity as toxic is a theme that seems quite common among shows and films now. I think the latest series of Fargo treaded a very thin line where that's concerned. Maybe if it wasn't so commonplace today it wouldn't look quite as bad.
And it's not a bad thing when you put it like that but when you shoehorn it into films and TV where it isn't really relevant and make it obvious you're trying to hit the viewer over the head with it, then like I said above, it takes me out of the story being told.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
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Just generally forcing agendas on us about race, gender and sexuality and how it's become something of a trend currently. The idea of presenting masculinity as toxic is a theme that seems quite common among shows and films now. I think the latest series of Fargo treaded a very thin line where that's concerned. Maybe if it wasn't so commonplace today it wouldn't look quite as bad.
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whats funny is they seem to use those traits they hate for 'strong' females characters now
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 30 minutes ago
Too many shows and films are filled with political messaging.
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Films and shows have always had political messaging, it's probably just you agreed with it at the time and now you don't.
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Not true. There was not nearly as much of it in regards to race, gender and equality as there is now. Just compare how something like Doctor Who used to be with how it is now.
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Don't watch Doctor Who so can't comment on it but I think it's a two way street now in that people automatically think anything involving a non white male character as the lead must automatically be woke.
If a film like Alien was made today I guarantee you'd have people complaining the character of Ripley is woke.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
And it's not a bad thing when you put it like that but when you shoehorn it into films and TV where it isn't really relevant and make it obvious you're trying to hit the viewer over the head with it, then like I said above, it takes me out of the story being told.
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I do agree with that point.
In most tv n moovies the mane characters r portrade as much moor capabubble than the lesser characters
Imo people gettin trigger by things that have alemways been there
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just generally forcing agendas on us about race, gender and sexuality and how it's become something of a trend currently. The idea of presenting masculinity as toxic is a theme that seems quite common among shows and films now. I think the latest series of Fargo treaded a very thin line where that's concerned. Maybe if it wasn't so commonplace today it wouldn't look quite as bad.
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whats funny is they seem to use those traits they hate for 'strong' females characters now
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The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously. It's one thing for her to come across as a plucky survivor type but being able to get the better of men twice her size, and escape any situation leaves you scratching your head. You can sort of believe it when Malvo or Hanzi are doing this stuff in seasons 1 and 2 but not this little housewife. All part of the 'strong female' archetype though.
Since ancient Greece drama has always been in dialogue with the politics and ethics of the society it exists in. And there has always been some art that does that in a nuanced way where it's embedded in the storytelling, and some that does it in a preachy way that can get in the way of realism. I don't think the latter category has particularly grown more prominent of late, contrary to Spurtle's view. One thing that has changed, over my lifetime at least, is a widening awareness of how apparently 'non-political' TV, films, etc. often unconsciously replicates tropes and stereotypes that are based on a particular view of social hierarchies. It's natural for writers to challenge such tropes and stereotypes, and of course there's always a risk that in the hands of less talented or lazier writers they do it in a clunky way and simply perpetuate new ones themselves. But it's also true that throughout history, certain people who belong to groups whose primacy in our stories is being challenged will make an awful fuss about self-righteousness, political correctness, etc. The way everything that's not ultraconservative is liable to be labelled "woke" these days is evidence that it's rarely about a desire for compellingly original and complex drama.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 30 minutes ago
Too many shows and films are filled with political messaging.
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Films and shows have always had political messaging, it's probably just you agreed with it at the time and now you don't.
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Not true. There was not nearly as much of it in regards to race, gender and equality as there is now. Just compare how something like Doctor Who used to be with how it is now.
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Don't watch Doctor Who so can't comment on it but I think it's a two way street now in that people automatically think anything involving a non white male character as the lead must automatically be woke.
If a film like Alien was made today I guarantee you'd have people complaining the character of Ripley is woke.
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Possibly but at least Ripley is presented as being realistically capable. It's not like she had to exert any physical prowess to be the last survivor, or made her male counterparts look weak. She was smart and had good instincts. The other female characters in Prometheus and Alien Covenant are similar and nobody calls those films out for being woke. Crap yes, not woke.
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously. It's one thing for her to come across as a plucky survivor type but being able to get the better of men twice her size, and escape any situation leaves you scratching your head.
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Did you miss the parts where 1) she was unable to prevent Jon Hamm's character from abducting her from the hospital, 2) she lost her physical fight with him in the cabin, despite the element of surprise and concealed weapon, because ultimately he was bigger and badder than her, and 3) she was moments away from being executed in a silo and entirely helpless, but saved by the intervention of Ole Munch? Also unlikely that she walks out of the ranch alive without the small army of heavily armed police / FBI coming to save her and creating the chaotic circumstances in which he captors aren't operating efficiently.
You're at liberty to decide for yourself what you find plausible / implausible, but if you're portraying this as a case of the producers giving her woke-fuelled superpowers that make her unrealistically invincible, at least acknowledge the fact that they only worked some of the time.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 24 seconds ago
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously. It's one thing for her to come across as a plucky survivor type but being able to get the better of men twice her size, and escape any situation leaves you scratching your head.
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Did you miss the parts where 1) she was unable to prevent Jon Hamm's character from abducting her from the hospital, 2) she lost her physical fight with him in the cabin, despite the element of surprise and concealed weapon, because ultimately he was bigger and badder than her, and 3) she was moments away from being executed in a silo and entirely helpless, but saved by the intervention of Ole Munch? Also unlikely that she walks out of the ranch alive without the small army of heavily armed police / FBI coming to save her and creating the chaotic circumstances in which he captors aren't operating efficiently.
You're at liberty to decide for yourself what you find plausible / implausible, but if you're portraying this as a case of the producers giving her woke-fuelled superpowers that make her unrealistically invincible, at least acknowledge the fact that they only worked some of the time.
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Well yes, it wasn't all the time. I mean she was a victim of domestic abuse so of course she wasn't able to handle every single situation smoothly. It was still a stretch to see her handle 2 attempts at her abduction pretty well, escaping her hospital bed by subduing 2 big guys, saving her husband's life while her house was on fire. She's like this 70lb little woman. It got more silly as it went on.
She could have fought Ole Munch to the death and we know who this series would pick to come out on top. In fact Ole Munch was one of the few strong white guys they had in the series so maybe that's why they had him wear a woman's skirt.
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously.
…..
You were not meant to. It is Fargo.
I think the show makers were paying homage to Home Alone to be honest.
Maybe just avoid watching anything with women or people that aren't white incase it offends you.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 minutes ago
Since ancient Greece drama has always been in dialogue with the politics and ethics of the society it exists in. And there has always been some art that does that in a nuanced way where it's embedded in the storytelling, and some that does it in a preachy way that can get in the way of realism. I don't think the latter category has particularly grown more prominent of late, contrary to Spurtle's view. One thing that has changed, over my lifetime at least, is a widening awareness of how apparently 'non-political' TV, films, etc. often unconsciously replicates tropes and stereotypes that are based on a particular view of social hierarchies. It's natural for writers to challenge such tropes and stereotypes, and of course there's always a risk that in the hands of less talented or lazier writers they do it in a clunky way and simply perpetuate new ones themselves. But it's also true that throughout history, certain people who belong to groups whose primacy in our stories is being challenged will make an awful fuss about self-righteousness, political correctness, etc. The way everything that's not ultraconservative is liable to be labelled "woke" these days is evidence that it's rarely about a desire for compellingly original and complex drama.
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If you're going to copy & paste stuff, at least break it down into readable paragraphs...
I don't think she could have killed Ole Munch, because we were told that he was immortal. In fact, Dot did overcome him, but did so through showing him kindness and introducing the idea of forgiveness. And generally it's the mental resources of this physically small woman (fuelled by love and determination to survive) that keep her and her family alive throughout the show. When she wins a fight it's through the element of surprise and quicker wits. When it's a straight fight with Sheriff Roy, who knows her strengths and weaknesses well, she doesn't prevail. As VC says, it's a work of fiction, and one that likes to play with outlandish ideas and paint things in broad strokes. I'm pretty sure there are films and TV you like that take a bit of licence with what is plausible - only those cases don't trouble you the way a strong female character does.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 10 minutes ago
Maybe just avoid watching anything with women or people that aren't white incase it offends you.
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As a woke vigilante, I'm very upset that in an otherwise OK show, they allowed the most prominent African American character to die. Is it too much to ask for a show where only the white people die?
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 30 minutes ago
Too many shows and films are filled with political messaging.
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Films and shows have always had political messaging, it's probably just you agreed with it at the time and now you don't.
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Not true. There was not nearly as much of it in regards to race, gender and equality as there is now. Just compare how something like Doctor Who used to be with how it is now.
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Don't watch Doctor Who so can't comment on it but I think it's a two way street now in that people automatically think anything involving a non white male character as the lead must automatically be woke.
If a film like Alien was made today I guarantee you'd have people complaining the character of Ripley is woke.
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No they won't because just look at how the character is developed, Ripley is not a Mary Sue, that's what most people are fed up of in modern films, and tv shows. Her character has an amazing arc, from what she was in the first Alien to Aliens and even Alien 3, its great character development, something that is lacking movies past 7 years, same with the bride in Kill Bill, and Sarah Conner from T1 and T2, these are amazing female characters. Not a Rey Skywalker who's magically the strongest Jedi out of the blue.
That's partially the writers fault, not the actors as that's what they're given to work with. Hollywood seems to hire activists rather than actual talented writers/directors these days.
Can something actually be "woke"
surely "woke" is an understanding of something - by someone...in basic terms
So the somebody is (or could be) "woke"
Just so everybody understands....
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 10 minutes ago
Maybe just avoid watching anything with women or people that aren't white incase it offends you.
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As a woke vigilante, I'm very upset that in an otherwise OK show, they allowed the most prominent African American character to die. Is it too much to ask for a show where only the white people die?
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racist
So every female character has to be as good as Ripley to be worthy of being used in anything? If it isn’t then it’s just woke guff?
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posted on 30/1/24
Forzus
What about the end of season 1, wasn’t there some weird supernatural portal thing and it was connected to HP Lovecraft?
Spurtle
Maybe for rubbish poorly written stuff that I have no interest in. True Detective and Fargo aren’t that.
posted on 30/1/24
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Forzus
What about the end of season 1, wasn’t there some weird supernatural portal thing and it was connected to HP Lovecraft?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was a hallucination scene by Rust, remember he had that condition ware he see n hear n smell stuff thst is not there
It was foreshadowed on the drive 2 the bad place when Marty ask him if he still haddem n he said not much butt always knew they were hsllucinates
He lied as continhuing the unreliabubble narrator theme of the show
Wish it had gone full Lovecrafty tho
posted on 30/1/24
Oh sh-t it was wasn’t it, been a decade since I watched it.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
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It isnt
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just generally forcing agendas on us about race, gender and sexuality and how it's become something of a trend currently. The idea of presenting masculinity as toxic is a theme that seems quite common among shows and films now. I think the latest series of Fargo treaded a very thin line where that's concerned. Maybe if it wasn't so commonplace today it wouldn't look quite as bad.
posted on 30/1/24
And it's not a bad thing when you put it like that but when you shoehorn it into films and TV where it isn't really relevant and make it obvious you're trying to hit the viewer over the head with it, then like I said above, it takes me out of the story being told.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just generally forcing agendas on us about race, gender and sexuality and how it's become something of a trend currently. The idea of presenting masculinity as toxic is a theme that seems quite common among shows and films now. I think the latest series of Fargo treaded a very thin line where that's concerned. Maybe if it wasn't so commonplace today it wouldn't look quite as bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
whats funny is they seem to use those traits they hate for 'strong' females characters now
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 30 minutes ago
Too many shows and films are filled with political messaging.
----------------
Films and shows have always had political messaging, it's probably just you agreed with it at the time and now you don't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not true. There was not nearly as much of it in regards to race, gender and equality as there is now. Just compare how something like Doctor Who used to be with how it is now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't watch Doctor Who so can't comment on it but I think it's a two way street now in that people automatically think anything involving a non white male character as the lead must automatically be woke.
If a film like Alien was made today I guarantee you'd have people complaining the character of Ripley is woke.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
And it's not a bad thing when you put it like that but when you shoehorn it into films and TV where it isn't really relevant and make it obvious you're trying to hit the viewer over the head with it, then like I said above, it takes me out of the story being told.
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I do agree with that point.
posted on 30/1/24
In most tv n moovies the mane characters r portrade as much moor capabubble than the lesser characters
Imo people gettin trigger by things that have alemways been there
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurtle
What is it you think woke means?
I ask because the most common definition I can find is that woke is to have an understanding of social inequalities and injustices.
How is that a bad thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just generally forcing agendas on us about race, gender and sexuality and how it's become something of a trend currently. The idea of presenting masculinity as toxic is a theme that seems quite common among shows and films now. I think the latest series of Fargo treaded a very thin line where that's concerned. Maybe if it wasn't so commonplace today it wouldn't look quite as bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
whats funny is they seem to use those traits they hate for 'strong' females characters now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously. It's one thing for her to come across as a plucky survivor type but being able to get the better of men twice her size, and escape any situation leaves you scratching your head. You can sort of believe it when Malvo or Hanzi are doing this stuff in seasons 1 and 2 but not this little housewife. All part of the 'strong female' archetype though.
posted on 30/1/24
Since ancient Greece drama has always been in dialogue with the politics and ethics of the society it exists in. And there has always been some art that does that in a nuanced way where it's embedded in the storytelling, and some that does it in a preachy way that can get in the way of realism. I don't think the latter category has particularly grown more prominent of late, contrary to Spurtle's view. One thing that has changed, over my lifetime at least, is a widening awareness of how apparently 'non-political' TV, films, etc. often unconsciously replicates tropes and stereotypes that are based on a particular view of social hierarchies. It's natural for writers to challenge such tropes and stereotypes, and of course there's always a risk that in the hands of less talented or lazier writers they do it in a clunky way and simply perpetuate new ones themselves. But it's also true that throughout history, certain people who belong to groups whose primacy in our stories is being challenged will make an awful fuss about self-righteousness, political correctness, etc. The way everything that's not ultraconservative is liable to be labelled "woke" these days is evidence that it's rarely about a desire for compellingly original and complex drama.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 30 minutes ago
Too many shows and films are filled with political messaging.
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Films and shows have always had political messaging, it's probably just you agreed with it at the time and now you don't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not true. There was not nearly as much of it in regards to race, gender and equality as there is now. Just compare how something like Doctor Who used to be with how it is now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't watch Doctor Who so can't comment on it but I think it's a two way street now in that people automatically think anything involving a non white male character as the lead must automatically be woke.
If a film like Alien was made today I guarantee you'd have people complaining the character of Ripley is woke.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Possibly but at least Ripley is presented as being realistically capable. It's not like she had to exert any physical prowess to be the last survivor, or made her male counterparts look weak. She was smart and had good instincts. The other female characters in Prometheus and Alien Covenant are similar and nobody calls those films out for being woke. Crap yes, not woke.
posted on 30/1/24
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously. It's one thing for her to come across as a plucky survivor type but being able to get the better of men twice her size, and escape any situation leaves you scratching your head.
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Did you miss the parts where 1) she was unable to prevent Jon Hamm's character from abducting her from the hospital, 2) she lost her physical fight with him in the cabin, despite the element of surprise and concealed weapon, because ultimately he was bigger and badder than her, and 3) she was moments away from being executed in a silo and entirely helpless, but saved by the intervention of Ole Munch? Also unlikely that she walks out of the ranch alive without the small army of heavily armed police / FBI coming to save her and creating the chaotic circumstances in which he captors aren't operating efficiently.
You're at liberty to decide for yourself what you find plausible / implausible, but if you're portraying this as a case of the producers giving her woke-fuelled superpowers that make her unrealistically invincible, at least acknowledge the fact that they only worked some of the time.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 24 seconds ago
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously. It's one thing for her to come across as a plucky survivor type but being able to get the better of men twice her size, and escape any situation leaves you scratching your head.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Did you miss the parts where 1) she was unable to prevent Jon Hamm's character from abducting her from the hospital, 2) she lost her physical fight with him in the cabin, despite the element of surprise and concealed weapon, because ultimately he was bigger and badder than her, and 3) she was moments away from being executed in a silo and entirely helpless, but saved by the intervention of Ole Munch? Also unlikely that she walks out of the ranch alive without the small army of heavily armed police / FBI coming to save her and creating the chaotic circumstances in which he captors aren't operating efficiently.
You're at liberty to decide for yourself what you find plausible / implausible, but if you're portraying this as a case of the producers giving her woke-fuelled superpowers that make her unrealistically invincible, at least acknowledge the fact that they only worked some of the time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well yes, it wasn't all the time. I mean she was a victim of domestic abuse so of course she wasn't able to handle every single situation smoothly. It was still a stretch to see her handle 2 attempts at her abduction pretty well, escaping her hospital bed by subduing 2 big guys, saving her husband's life while her house was on fire. She's like this 70lb little woman. It got more silly as it went on.
She could have fought Ole Munch to the death and we know who this series would pick to come out on top. In fact Ole Munch was one of the few strong white guys they had in the series so maybe that's why they had him wear a woman's skirt.
posted on 30/1/24
The character Juno Temple played I just had trouble taking seriously.
…..
You were not meant to. It is Fargo.
I think the show makers were paying homage to Home Alone to be honest.
posted on 30/1/24
Maybe just avoid watching anything with women or people that aren't white incase it offends you.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 54 minutes ago
Since ancient Greece drama has always been in dialogue with the politics and ethics of the society it exists in. And there has always been some art that does that in a nuanced way where it's embedded in the storytelling, and some that does it in a preachy way that can get in the way of realism. I don't think the latter category has particularly grown more prominent of late, contrary to Spurtle's view. One thing that has changed, over my lifetime at least, is a widening awareness of how apparently 'non-political' TV, films, etc. often unconsciously replicates tropes and stereotypes that are based on a particular view of social hierarchies. It's natural for writers to challenge such tropes and stereotypes, and of course there's always a risk that in the hands of less talented or lazier writers they do it in a clunky way and simply perpetuate new ones themselves. But it's also true that throughout history, certain people who belong to groups whose primacy in our stories is being challenged will make an awful fuss about self-righteousness, political correctness, etc. The way everything that's not ultraconservative is liable to be labelled "woke" these days is evidence that it's rarely about a desire for compellingly original and complex drama.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're going to copy & paste stuff, at least break it down into readable paragraphs...
posted on 30/1/24
I don't think she could have killed Ole Munch, because we were told that he was immortal. In fact, Dot did overcome him, but did so through showing him kindness and introducing the idea of forgiveness. And generally it's the mental resources of this physically small woman (fuelled by love and determination to survive) that keep her and her family alive throughout the show. When she wins a fight it's through the element of surprise and quicker wits. When it's a straight fight with Sheriff Roy, who knows her strengths and weaknesses well, she doesn't prevail. As VC says, it's a work of fiction, and one that likes to play with outlandish ideas and paint things in broad strokes. I'm pretty sure there are films and TV you like that take a bit of licence with what is plausible - only those cases don't trouble you the way a strong female character does.
posted on 30/1/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 10 minutes ago
Maybe just avoid watching anything with women or people that aren't white incase it offends you.
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As a woke vigilante, I'm very upset that in an otherwise OK show, they allowed the most prominent African American character to die. Is it too much to ask for a show where only the white people die?
posted on 30/1/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 30 minutes ago
Too many shows and films are filled with political messaging.
----------------
Films and shows have always had political messaging, it's probably just you agreed with it at the time and now you don't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not true. There was not nearly as much of it in regards to race, gender and equality as there is now. Just compare how something like Doctor Who used to be with how it is now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't watch Doctor Who so can't comment on it but I think it's a two way street now in that people automatically think anything involving a non white male character as the lead must automatically be woke.
If a film like Alien was made today I guarantee you'd have people complaining the character of Ripley is woke.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they won't because just look at how the character is developed, Ripley is not a Mary Sue, that's what most people are fed up of in modern films, and tv shows. Her character has an amazing arc, from what she was in the first Alien to Aliens and even Alien 3, its great character development, something that is lacking movies past 7 years, same with the bride in Kill Bill, and Sarah Conner from T1 and T2, these are amazing female characters. Not a Rey Skywalker who's magically the strongest Jedi out of the blue.
That's partially the writers fault, not the actors as that's what they're given to work with. Hollywood seems to hire activists rather than actual talented writers/directors these days.
posted on 30/1/24
Can something actually be "woke"
surely "woke" is an understanding of something - by someone...in basic terms
So the somebody is (or could be) "woke"
Just so everybody understands....
posted on 30/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 10 minutes ago
Maybe just avoid watching anything with women or people that aren't white incase it offends you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As a woke vigilante, I'm very upset that in an otherwise OK show, they allowed the most prominent African American character to die. Is it too much to ask for a show where only the white people die?
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racist
posted on 30/1/24
So every female character has to be as good as Ripley to be worthy of being used in anything? If it isn’t then it’s just woke guff?
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