Surely that’s the managers fault? He’s signed half the squad who apparently don’t have football brains…
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game. I just don't think he's that good a manager.
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
Is it that the player's footballing brain is just an afterthoughtinsteadof a key attribute when looking at potential signings?
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Plenty of evidence would suggest this is the case.
It’s why Mainoo has been so refreshing. He looks the most intelligent player on the pitch in most games at 18.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 10 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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The thing is you could see that break coming as soon as the ball reached the edge of the Wolves box. You should always have someone back who's willing to take a yellow to stop that kind of break at least. Or, even better, don't commit too many men forward!
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 25 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Exactly what I thought. He had a load of defenders on the pitch. He should have made sure that we were solid at that corner.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s why Mainoo has been so refreshing. He looks the most intelligent player on the pitch in most games at 18.
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Yeh, his football brain has impressed me as much as his technical ability. Its mad for a lad his age really. Usually they are charging round the pitch when they first come through. I love the fact that after Wolves had equalised he made the decision to commit himself a bit fruther up the pitch and then had the ability and clamness to mug the defenders off like he did and place it in the corner. If you watch him when he hits the ball, its like he aready knows its going in.
Elvis
I think there’s a lot more to come from him on the ball. He’s not actually as involved in possession as he could be, which is fine because he’s 18. But his composure with and without the ball for an 18 year old cm, playing under huge pressure in this United side, is very impressive. You won’t usually see many cm’s at 18 playing regularly for a prem club, let alone a huge one like United, because they tend to lack the composure and decision making of a senior footballer. Compare him with Pogba, who was much more gifted and would show flashes of class that Mainoo isn’t capable of, however, even in his late 20s he didn’t have Mainoo’s brain.
I have been saying this for some time now. Their second goal, Dalot switched his brain off yet again on the corner.
He should have been coming out with the rest of the players then Wolves would have had three players off side.
The thIrd goal was a mix of brain farts. What was Evans doing so far up field? He should know better.
Wtf was Antony doing pi$$ing about with the ball in that position while surrounded by gold shirts,
Lastly, Dalot again, too far off his man as he was the last man in defence.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 43 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Funny thing is the manager sets up corners like this for months. He can't now want them to change when the game is tight.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 21 minutes ago
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game.
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A football match involves making many decisions over 90+ minutes. If nobody made mistakes, every game would finish 0-0. A manager can't be expected to shout instructions for every single dynamic situation taking place on the pitch.
That said, there are, have always been, and always will be players who do plenty physically but don't exactly stand out for their decision making and are more prone to lapses in ci concentration.
We talk about player confidence but don't touch on Manager confidence.
This isn't an ETH in/is the future.
Simply with the start we have every decision of his will get magnified.
Imagine he did a Jose. Go 2 goals up after 22 minutes and made subs shutting the game down.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 43 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Funny thing is the manager sets up corners like this for months. He can't now want them to change when the game is tight.
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What? Why not? Why wouldn't a manager want to change things to suit the game? Its part of in-game management. The palyers themselves should have some awareness themselves of how the game was balanced. But ultimately ETH should be making sure we didn't commit so many players forwards.
Messi at 13 had a better football brain than most at their peaks. It isn't so much taught but a natural spacial awareness. You can obviously learn it but some people naturally have better spacial awareness than others. Also Asperger's.
Intuition plays a big part as well. Some players naturally have greater levels of intuition so can read the game and situations better than those lacking. This is a personality trait that is difficult to "learn".
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 43 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Funny thing is the manager sets up corners like this for months. He can't now want them to change when the game is tight.
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What? Why not? Why wouldn't a manager want to change things to suit the game? Its part of in-game management. The palyers themselves should have some awareness themselves of how the game was balanced. But ultimately ETH should be making sure we didn't commit so many players forwards.
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If he was meticulous, he could have. He would also tell Rashford to stop dwelling on the ball when we are on a break away, he would certainly have a talk to Bruno for his incessant careless passes. Managers like that are brutal to teams long run but can show remarkable short term goals (emery to Aston Villa for example)
ETH had a discussion which annoyed me, he said that he cannot make a player intelligent. He does not even bother to start teaching them some certain things.If they are not smart enough but they shouldn't play for the club. He has a point, but managing a club like ours meant he will never get the best out them. I do not know where I stand on this but I believe we would be doing better if he was a bit more involved in the training.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 21 minutes ago
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game.
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A football match involves making many decisions over 90+ minutes. If nobody made mistakes, every game would finish 0-0. A manager can't be expected to shout instructions for every single dynamic situation taking place on the pitch.
That said, there are, have always been, and always will be players who do plenty physically but don't exactly stand out for their decision making and are more prone to lapses in ci concentration.
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I blame waaaankers like Jonathan Wilson for making people ignore this.
comment by Kobra (U19849)
posted 38 minutes ago
We talk about player confidence but don't touch on Manager confidence.
This isn't an ETH in/is the future.
Simply with the start we have every decision of his will get magnified.
Imagine he did a Jose. Go 2 goals up after 22 minutes and made subs shutting the game down.
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He would be very foolish and stupid to do this knowing the keeper we have in goal that he purchased. This keeper will make Maldini and Beresi appear nervous. We are not doing no Mourinho with this side
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 21 minutes ago
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game.
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A football match involves making many decisions over 90+ minutes. If nobody made mistakes, every game would finish 0-0. A manager can't be expected to shout instructions for every single dynamic situation taking place on the pitch.
That said, there are, have always been, and always will be players who do plenty physically but don't exactly stand out for their decision making and are more prone to lapses in ci concentration.
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Not necessarily true. Sometimes as a defender you just have to hold your hands up and say the opposition is better than me/us.
Messi has embarrassed dozens of centre backs over the years. They didn't exactly make mistakes, Messi was just too good and they couldn't get near him.
The amount of actual mistakes our defence make though is hilarious. It does make you wonder how they play in the premier league.
What about United?
OP, the simple answer is they are not good enough. Being intelligent is also a part of what makes a great footballer and we do not have one great footballer. I would go as far as say the most intelligent footballer we have now in this squad is 18 with regards to doing the basics of pass, move, keeping calm.
It is laughable to see Kobe doing the above and then looking at our captain just losing the ball for fun. Wingers that won't cross. No shaw and Rasmus is not scoring that goal yesterday because Rashford and Garnacho are allergic to crossing the ball.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
What about United?
OP, the simple answer is they are not good enough. Being intelligent is also a part of what makes a great footballer and we do not have one great footballer. I would go as far as say the most intelligent footballer we have now in this squad is 18 with regards to doing the basics of pass, move, keeping calm.
It is laughable to see Kobe doing the above and then looking at our captain just losing the ball for fun. Wingers that won't cross. No shaw and Rasmus is not scoring that goal yesterday because Rashford and Garnacho are allergic to crossing the ball.
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That do cross, but they tend to do it at the wrong times/delay. Rasmus should have had a second last night and the keeper made a decent save. But Garnacho should have pulled the ball back to Rasmus sooner. By the time he made the pass the defender had got back to put pressure on Rasmus and he was a bit too close to the keeper.
You can tell there is still a lack of confidence and nervousness about this team. That leads to bad decision making. No proper leaders - Varane and Martinez are technically good, but are they actual organisers of the defence? And let's not start on Onana.
There's a fine line between going for that next goal and making sure we don't lose one, but we don't want to be too defensive. And regardless, 2 goals up against an average team, a group of players should be able tomanager that, regardless of what ETH does (and I'm not convinced by ETH)
Let's also face the fact that we haven't scored many goals - how many matches have we actually been 2 goals up in? I guess we are thankful for the win, learn from it and move on.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
What about United?
OP, the simple answer is they are not good enough. Being intelligent is also a part of what makes a great footballer and we do not have one great footballer. I would go as far as say the most intelligent footballer we have now in this squad is 18 with regards to doing the basics of pass, move, keeping calm.
It is laughable to see Kobe doing the above and then looking at our captain just losing the ball for fun. Wingers that won't cross. No shaw and Rasmus is not scoring that goal yesterday because Rashford and Garnacho are allergic to crossing the ball.
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That do cross, but they tend to do it at the wrong times/delay. Rasmus should have had a second last night and the keeper made a decent save. But Garnacho should have pulled the ball back to Rasmus sooner. By the time he made the pass the defender had got back to put pressure on Rasmus and he was a bit too close to the keeper.
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I just don't see it. Last game Rasmus was giving Garnacho a royal bollocking because he had no interest in crossing the ball
I'm sorry, but that Is the nanagers job. He made the subs, and should setting the instruction. We've been easy to play through, and susceptible to counters all season. He should be doing something about it in trying and team meetings. Can't blame the players, they do it right with their national teams, and at previous clubs.
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posted on 2/2/24
Surely that’s the managers fault? He’s signed half the squad who apparently don’t have football brains…
posted on 2/2/24
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game. I just don't think he's that good a manager.
posted on 2/2/24
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
posted on 2/2/24
Is it that the player's footballing brain is just an afterthoughtinsteadof a key attribute when looking at potential signings?
———
Plenty of evidence would suggest this is the case.
posted on 2/2/24
It’s why Mainoo has been so refreshing. He looks the most intelligent player on the pitch in most games at 18.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 10 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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The thing is you could see that break coming as soon as the ball reached the edge of the Wolves box. You should always have someone back who's willing to take a yellow to stop that kind of break at least. Or, even better, don't commit too many men forward!
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 25 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Exactly what I thought. He had a load of defenders on the pitch. He should have made sure that we were solid at that corner.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s why Mainoo has been so refreshing. He looks the most intelligent player on the pitch in most games at 18.
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Yeh, his football brain has impressed me as much as his technical ability. Its mad for a lad his age really. Usually they are charging round the pitch when they first come through. I love the fact that after Wolves had equalised he made the decision to commit himself a bit fruther up the pitch and then had the ability and clamness to mug the defenders off like he did and place it in the corner. If you watch him when he hits the ball, its like he aready knows its going in.
posted on 2/2/24
Elvis
I think there’s a lot more to come from him on the ball. He’s not actually as involved in possession as he could be, which is fine because he’s 18. But his composure with and without the ball for an 18 year old cm, playing under huge pressure in this United side, is very impressive. You won’t usually see many cm’s at 18 playing regularly for a prem club, let alone a huge one like United, because they tend to lack the composure and decision making of a senior footballer. Compare him with Pogba, who was much more gifted and would show flashes of class that Mainoo isn’t capable of, however, even in his late 20s he didn’t have Mainoo’s brain.
posted on 2/2/24
I have been saying this for some time now. Their second goal, Dalot switched his brain off yet again on the corner.
He should have been coming out with the rest of the players then Wolves would have had three players off side.
The thIrd goal was a mix of brain farts. What was Evans doing so far up field? He should know better.
Wtf was Antony doing pi$$ing about with the ball in that position while surrounded by gold shirts,
Lastly, Dalot again, too far off his man as he was the last man in defence.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 43 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Funny thing is the manager sets up corners like this for months. He can't now want them to change when the game is tight.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 21 minutes ago
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game.
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A football match involves making many decisions over 90+ minutes. If nobody made mistakes, every game would finish 0-0. A manager can't be expected to shout instructions for every single dynamic situation taking place on the pitch.
That said, there are, have always been, and always will be players who do plenty physically but don't exactly stand out for their decision making and are more prone to lapses in ci concentration.
posted on 2/2/24
We talk about player confidence but don't touch on Manager confidence.
This isn't an ETH in/is the future.
Simply with the start we have every decision of his will get magnified.
Imagine he did a Jose. Go 2 goals up after 22 minutes and made subs shutting the game down.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 43 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Funny thing is the manager sets up corners like this for months. He can't now want them to change when the game is tight.
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What? Why not? Why wouldn't a manager want to change things to suit the game? Its part of in-game management. The palyers themselves should have some awareness themselves of how the game was balanced. But ultimately ETH should be making sure we didn't commit so many players forwards.
posted on 2/2/24
Messi at 13 had a better football brain than most at their peaks. It isn't so much taught but a natural spacial awareness. You can obviously learn it but some people naturally have better spacial awareness than others. Also Asperger's.
posted on 2/2/24
Intuition plays a big part as well. Some players naturally have greater levels of intuition so can read the game and situations better than those lacking. This is a personality trait that is difficult to "learn".
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Mentality Moles (U2958)
posted 43 minutes ago
Surely, as a manager, he can shout instructions the moment he saw pretty much everyone go up for a corner while 3-2 up?
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Funny thing is the manager sets up corners like this for months. He can't now want them to change when the game is tight.
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What? Why not? Why wouldn't a manager want to change things to suit the game? Its part of in-game management. The palyers themselves should have some awareness themselves of how the game was balanced. But ultimately ETH should be making sure we didn't commit so many players forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he was meticulous, he could have. He would also tell Rashford to stop dwelling on the ball when we are on a break away, he would certainly have a talk to Bruno for his incessant careless passes. Managers like that are brutal to teams long run but can show remarkable short term goals (emery to Aston Villa for example)
ETH had a discussion which annoyed me, he said that he cannot make a player intelligent. He does not even bother to start teaching them some certain things.If they are not smart enough but they shouldn't play for the club. He has a point, but managing a club like ours meant he will never get the best out them. I do not know where I stand on this but I believe we would be doing better if he was a bit more involved in the training.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 21 minutes ago
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game.
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A football match involves making many decisions over 90+ minutes. If nobody made mistakes, every game would finish 0-0. A manager can't be expected to shout instructions for every single dynamic situation taking place on the pitch.
That said, there are, have always been, and always will be players who do plenty physically but don't exactly stand out for their decision making and are more prone to lapses in ci concentration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I blame waaaankers like Jonathan Wilson for making people ignore this.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Kobra (U19849)
posted 38 minutes ago
We talk about player confidence but don't touch on Manager confidence.
This isn't an ETH in/is the future.
Simply with the start we have every decision of his will get magnified.
Imagine he did a Jose. Go 2 goals up after 22 minutes and made subs shutting the game down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He would be very foolish and stupid to do this knowing the keeper we have in goal that he purchased. This keeper will make Maldini and Beresi appear nervous. We are not doing no Mourinho with this side
posted on 2/2/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 21 minutes ago
You can't get to this level without knowing the basics of the game.
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A football match involves making many decisions over 90+ minutes. If nobody made mistakes, every game would finish 0-0. A manager can't be expected to shout instructions for every single dynamic situation taking place on the pitch.
That said, there are, have always been, and always will be players who do plenty physically but don't exactly stand out for their decision making and are more prone to lapses in ci concentration.
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Not necessarily true. Sometimes as a defender you just have to hold your hands up and say the opposition is better than me/us.
Messi has embarrassed dozens of centre backs over the years. They didn't exactly make mistakes, Messi was just too good and they couldn't get near him.
The amount of actual mistakes our defence make though is hilarious. It does make you wonder how they play in the premier league.
posted on 2/2/24
What about United?
OP, the simple answer is they are not good enough. Being intelligent is also a part of what makes a great footballer and we do not have one great footballer. I would go as far as say the most intelligent footballer we have now in this squad is 18 with regards to doing the basics of pass, move, keeping calm.
It is laughable to see Kobe doing the above and then looking at our captain just losing the ball for fun. Wingers that won't cross. No shaw and Rasmus is not scoring that goal yesterday because Rashford and Garnacho are allergic to crossing the ball.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
What about United?
OP, the simple answer is they are not good enough. Being intelligent is also a part of what makes a great footballer and we do not have one great footballer. I would go as far as say the most intelligent footballer we have now in this squad is 18 with regards to doing the basics of pass, move, keeping calm.
It is laughable to see Kobe doing the above and then looking at our captain just losing the ball for fun. Wingers that won't cross. No shaw and Rasmus is not scoring that goal yesterday because Rashford and Garnacho are allergic to crossing the ball.
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That do cross, but they tend to do it at the wrong times/delay. Rasmus should have had a second last night and the keeper made a decent save. But Garnacho should have pulled the ball back to Rasmus sooner. By the time he made the pass the defender had got back to put pressure on Rasmus and he was a bit too close to the keeper.
posted on 2/2/24
You can tell there is still a lack of confidence and nervousness about this team. That leads to bad decision making. No proper leaders - Varane and Martinez are technically good, but are they actual organisers of the defence? And let's not start on Onana.
There's a fine line between going for that next goal and making sure we don't lose one, but we don't want to be too defensive. And regardless, 2 goals up against an average team, a group of players should be able tomanager that, regardless of what ETH does (and I'm not convinced by ETH)
Let's also face the fact that we haven't scored many goals - how many matches have we actually been 2 goals up in? I guess we are thankful for the win, learn from it and move on.
posted on 2/2/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
What about United?
OP, the simple answer is they are not good enough. Being intelligent is also a part of what makes a great footballer and we do not have one great footballer. I would go as far as say the most intelligent footballer we have now in this squad is 18 with regards to doing the basics of pass, move, keeping calm.
It is laughable to see Kobe doing the above and then looking at our captain just losing the ball for fun. Wingers that won't cross. No shaw and Rasmus is not scoring that goal yesterday because Rashford and Garnacho are allergic to crossing the ball.
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That do cross, but they tend to do it at the wrong times/delay. Rasmus should have had a second last night and the keeper made a decent save. But Garnacho should have pulled the ball back to Rasmus sooner. By the time he made the pass the defender had got back to put pressure on Rasmus and he was a bit too close to the keeper.
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I just don't see it. Last game Rasmus was giving Garnacho a royal bollocking because he had no interest in crossing the ball
posted on 2/2/24
I'm sorry, but that Is the nanagers job. He made the subs, and should setting the instruction. We've been easy to play through, and susceptible to counters all season. He should be doing something about it in trying and team meetings. Can't blame the players, they do it right with their national teams, and at previous clubs.
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