How does this compare to other managers?
Maybe he would be about our level then? How often are we amongst the last 8 in the CL? That's similar to being amongst the top 10 in international football.
So if he was here for 5 years and had a 22% percent win rate against the top 8 teams in Europe, then there's a good chance we'd make a CL semi in one of the seasons. The confidence of winning that quarter final would help us in the semis too. So by your logic Gareth would likely get us to a CL final and you DON'T want him??
We have reached the CL quarter finals once in the past decade, and lost.
Gareth is statistically an improvement on this.
yeah but he did better than the golden generation so that means hes amazing
I'd have Ole back over Southgate any day. I bet you'd struggle to find a Utd fan who wouldn't.
If it's Ten Hag v Southgate for next season then we really are lost as a club. But that's an easy stick with Ten Hag decision even for me who thinks we can do better.
I'd be interested to see how many draws as well as wins. I think it would be a reckless risk to appoint him at a top club, but the narrative that he's been useless as England manager because we could be playing swashbuckling possession based football and winning tournaments with the group of players at his disposal (to train together for about three weeks a year) is pretty stupid.
I don't have any real opinion on him managing England but I have watched the last 3 games they have played and with the players he's had at his disposal I'd be disappointed with the way England played.
He very well might be a better manager than many imagine as I'm certain he knows more about all faucets of football than I do but I don't fancy him for the Utd job if his style of play was the same as the International team, could be wrong however?
It's hard to create a style of play when you play 7/8 games a season tbf. Thats not my biggest issue with him.
What I hate about Southgate is when we go up against the better teams and they make small tactical changes to take control he never reacts to them or if he does it's usually too late.
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's hard to create a style of play when you play 7/8 games a season tbf. Thats not my biggest issue with him.
What I hate about Southgate is when we go up against the better teams and they make small tactical changes to take control he never reacts to them or if he does it's usually too late.
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Fair point I just look at some of the players in the squad and recent squads and just feel he could give a little more freedom to certain players? not saying carte blanche but let them play to their strengths but still have his "system"
I 100% agree that international managers have it tough with the amount of time they actually have with the team, can't be easy
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's hard to create a style of play when you play 7/8 games a season tbf. Thats not my biggest issue with him.
What I hate about Southgate is when we go up against the better teams and they make small tactical changes to take control he never reacts to them or if he does it's usually too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair pointI just look at some of the players in the squad and recent squads and just feel he could give a little more freedom to certain players? not saying carte blanche but let them play to their strengths but still have his "system"
I 100% agree that international managers have it tough with the amount of time they actually have with the team, can't be easy
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Time they have and also the fact that all these players play for clubs that play different styles of football. So that's where I'm less harsh on him.
It's just everything else. Players he chooses for squads and tactics. It's a no from me. Not a fan.
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
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Hardly flat track. He scored from open play against Denmark in the euros semi remember. Not from pen.
Also doesn't just score pens either. Scored one against France yeah, but he missed the other.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 minutes ago
I'd be interested to see how many draws as well as wins. I think it would be a reckless risk to appoint him at a top club, but the narrative that he's been useless as England manager because we could be playing swashbuckling possession based football and winning tournaments with the group of players at his disposal (to train together for about three weeks a year) is pretty stupid.
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I don't think the amount of time training together is any sort of excuse as all international managers have the same limited opportunities. Spain, France, Germany all created amazing, successfull teams playing very good football so i am not buying the England cannot given the talent we now have.
Southgate has been with England long enough now to ingrain a clear style and that is very clearly one that errs of the defensive and we really haven't seen any real attempt to be more daring and creative.
He may only have a few weeks a year with the squad but he is very well paid for a full time job so he will be watching a lot of football, witnessing a lot of different tactics and approaches, so has ample opportunity to evolve Englands tactics
Southgate's is safe, and while England fans are probably sick of being plucky losers over the years, his approach of safety first has also delivered little.
One can point to the SF and final appearances but realistically, European football has declined slightly. Prime Germany and Spain are things of the past. Italy are Euro champs and theyre bang average and beat us to win.
It's a bit like the Moyes West Ham conundrum. Some fans will be incredulous to anyone challenging Moyes as WHU manager after he has led them to rarely seen heights, but others look at it and think that with the talent he has available, players like Paqueta and Kudus who will go on to bigger things, he should be doing a lot more and delivering entertainment and more consistency, in particular in the league .
I think England can expect more now, with the squad we have, but we need to be brave, to take our strengths to the opposition and I do not think Southgate really has that in him.
I also think the amount of Plan B's he has tried has not been good enough. Kane starts every game unless injured. Mainoo was superb vs Brazil but was only in the squad by luck. Maddison has barely been tried and average players like Gallagher replace average players like Henderson. Braithwaite is the next big thing at CB. Why is he not starting games now?! We all saw Maguire doing his usual blunder. Dunk is solid but lacks pace.
Southgate is not a brave coach, so we cannot expect his players to be....and for that reason i think we will always fall short under him.
Because Southgate is English, and not a WUM like Mourinho, he's a lot more immune to criticism in the media's eyes regardless of his tactical acumen and stats.
£5m a year to 'watch a lot of matches' but by and large play the same players and system - he's havin' a giraffe - no wonder he's a yes man to stay in that cushy number!
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I'd have Ole back over Southgate any day. I bet you'd struggle to find a Utd fan who wouldn't.
If it's Ten Hag v Southgate for next season then we really are lost as a club. But that's an easy stick with Ten Hag decision e ven for me who thinks we can do better.
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I dont think that Jims big master plan to back his talk since he got his feet unfder the table is to install Gareth.. or Potter for that matter. I think he knows United fans wont buy that. It would be a complete waste of his Billions investment and all that bidding nonsense that took months.
However what he does want it seems is a yes man as a manager. Hes made it clear the manager will be just be in charge of training and the 'style of play' will be decided by himself/INEOS and the D of F. So maybe Erik doesnt want to be that man... and Gareth/Potter might be OK with it. I get the impression with Jim that its going to be his way or the highway for a lot of the currentstaff at OT.
I think up until very recently, his decision to play two sitting midfielders made some sense because we just didn't have the talent in the middle of the park to control a game so we needed that protection. Now though, we have the opportunity to play Rice as the only sitting midfielder with Bellingham and Foden in front. Nearly every player we have in midfield and attack will play for a side that controls the game and defends from the front by pressing high. It's more natural, surely to play a system more familiar to them. We have the talent now to control games where we didn't before so for me Southgate has no excuses. Gallagher was woeful and playing Foden on the right of the front three will be problematic when Saka comes back. When he does, where does Foden play? You cannot leave him out. If he's on the bench at the Euros then shame on Southgate because he would be sacrificing a generational talent for more caution. Crazy.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How did he even get to choose whether to stay on or not after 3 goes of managing England and ultimately falling short? It's so small time from the English FA to allow him to have a choice. Should have been let go of after the last World Cup.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
Spain, France, Germany all created amazing, successfull teams playing very good football so i am not buying the England cannot given the talent we now have.
Southgate has been with England long enough now to ingrain a clear style and that is very clearly one that errs of the defensive and we really haven't seen any real attempt to be more daring and creative.
He may only have a few weeks a year with the squad but he is very well paid for a full time job so he will be watching a lot of football, witnessing a lot of different tactics and approaches, so has ample opportunity to evolve Englands tactics
[...]
Italy are Euro champs and theyre bang average and beat us to win.
---------------------------------------------------
Those finest Spain and Germany sides benefitted from the fact that there was not only a fairly consistent national footballing identity that players were brought up in, but having cores of players who were teammates in generationally dominant clubs. England is very different, because our best players are scattered across lots of different clubs and the PL has more diversity in tactics and playing styles than any other major league. Meanwhile, the most fluent attacking clubs sides these days rely on 'automatisms' of choreographed collective movements that rely on weeks of training to perfect. I don't think it's accurate to suggest that England would be able to play that way with a better manager. Indeed, two CL-winning managers (Flick and Luis Enrique) utterly failed at the last WC with teams that boast a lot of talent. France looked excellent not because they played tactically sophisticated or possession dominant football - Didier Deschamps also gets criticised domestically for his boring, safety-first approach - but because they have such an array of talent.
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
I'm certain he knows more about all faucets of football than I do
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It does worry me that he hasn't been able to do something about our leaky defence...
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah all of the other top 10 teams have been on the other side of the draw from England, hence them reaching semi and final recently, and losing to the first good team they face.
With Kane also never having won his team a trophy with any of his goals, coupled with the international flat tracking, could it be said that Kane, now in his 30s, has never scored a meaningful goal??
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah all of the other top 10 teams have been on the other side of the draw from England, hence them reaching semi and final recently, and losing to the first good team they face.
With Kane also never having won his team a trophy with any of his goals, coupled with the international flat tracking, could it be said that Kane, now in his 30s, has never scored a meaningful goal??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nail. Meet. Head.
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah all of the other top 10 teams have been on the other side of the draw from England, hence them reaching semi and final recently, and losing to the first good team they face.
With Kane also never having won his team a trophy with any of his goals, coupled with the international flat tracking, could it be said that Kane, now in his 30s, has never scored a meaningful goal??
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posted on 25/3/24
How does this compare to other managers?
posted on 25/3/24
Maybe he would be about our level then? How often are we amongst the last 8 in the CL? That's similar to being amongst the top 10 in international football.
So if he was here for 5 years and had a 22% percent win rate against the top 8 teams in Europe, then there's a good chance we'd make a CL semi in one of the seasons. The confidence of winning that quarter final would help us in the semis too. So by your logic Gareth would likely get us to a CL final and you DON'T want him??
We have reached the CL quarter finals once in the past decade, and lost.
Gareth is statistically an improvement on this.
posted on 25/3/24
yeah but he did better than the golden generation so that means hes amazing
posted on 25/3/24
I'd have Ole back over Southgate any day. I bet you'd struggle to find a Utd fan who wouldn't.
If it's Ten Hag v Southgate for next season then we really are lost as a club. But that's an easy stick with Ten Hag decision even for me who thinks we can do better.
posted on 25/3/24
I'd be interested to see how many draws as well as wins. I think it would be a reckless risk to appoint him at a top club, but the narrative that he's been useless as England manager because we could be playing swashbuckling possession based football and winning tournaments with the group of players at his disposal (to train together for about three weeks a year) is pretty stupid.
posted on 25/3/24
I don't have any real opinion on him managing England but I have watched the last 3 games they have played and with the players he's had at his disposal I'd be disappointed with the way England played.
He very well might be a better manager than many imagine as I'm certain he knows more about all faucets of football than I do but I don't fancy him for the Utd job if his style of play was the same as the International team, could be wrong however?
posted on 25/3/24
It's hard to create a style of play when you play 7/8 games a season tbf. Thats not my biggest issue with him.
What I hate about Southgate is when we go up against the better teams and they make small tactical changes to take control he never reacts to them or if he does it's usually too late.
posted on 25/3/24
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's hard to create a style of play when you play 7/8 games a season tbf. Thats not my biggest issue with him.
What I hate about Southgate is when we go up against the better teams and they make small tactical changes to take control he never reacts to them or if he does it's usually too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair point I just look at some of the players in the squad and recent squads and just feel he could give a little more freedom to certain players? not saying carte blanche but let them play to their strengths but still have his "system"
I 100% agree that international managers have it tough with the amount of time they actually have with the team, can't be easy
posted on 25/3/24
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's hard to create a style of play when you play 7/8 games a season tbf. Thats not my biggest issue with him.
What I hate about Southgate is when we go up against the better teams and they make small tactical changes to take control he never reacts to them or if he does it's usually too late.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair pointI just look at some of the players in the squad and recent squads and just feel he could give a little more freedom to certain players? not saying carte blanche but let them play to their strengths but still have his "system"
I 100% agree that international managers have it tough with the amount of time they actually have with the team, can't be easy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Time they have and also the fact that all these players play for clubs that play different styles of football. So that's where I'm less harsh on him.
It's just everything else. Players he chooses for squads and tactics. It's a no from me. Not a fan.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
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Hardly flat track. He scored from open play against Denmark in the euros semi remember. Not from pen.
Also doesn't just score pens either. Scored one against France yeah, but he missed the other.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 minutes ago
I'd be interested to see how many draws as well as wins. I think it would be a reckless risk to appoint him at a top club, but the narrative that he's been useless as England manager because we could be playing swashbuckling possession based football and winning tournaments with the group of players at his disposal (to train together for about three weeks a year) is pretty stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think the amount of time training together is any sort of excuse as all international managers have the same limited opportunities. Spain, France, Germany all created amazing, successfull teams playing very good football so i am not buying the England cannot given the talent we now have.
Southgate has been with England long enough now to ingrain a clear style and that is very clearly one that errs of the defensive and we really haven't seen any real attempt to be more daring and creative.
He may only have a few weeks a year with the squad but he is very well paid for a full time job so he will be watching a lot of football, witnessing a lot of different tactics and approaches, so has ample opportunity to evolve Englands tactics
Southgate's is safe, and while England fans are probably sick of being plucky losers over the years, his approach of safety first has also delivered little.
One can point to the SF and final appearances but realistically, European football has declined slightly. Prime Germany and Spain are things of the past. Italy are Euro champs and theyre bang average and beat us to win.
It's a bit like the Moyes West Ham conundrum. Some fans will be incredulous to anyone challenging Moyes as WHU manager after he has led them to rarely seen heights, but others look at it and think that with the talent he has available, players like Paqueta and Kudus who will go on to bigger things, he should be doing a lot more and delivering entertainment and more consistency, in particular in the league .
I think England can expect more now, with the squad we have, but we need to be brave, to take our strengths to the opposition and I do not think Southgate really has that in him.
I also think the amount of Plan B's he has tried has not been good enough. Kane starts every game unless injured. Mainoo was superb vs Brazil but was only in the squad by luck. Maddison has barely been tried and average players like Gallagher replace average players like Henderson. Braithwaite is the next big thing at CB. Why is he not starting games now?! We all saw Maguire doing his usual blunder. Dunk is solid but lacks pace.
Southgate is not a brave coach, so we cannot expect his players to be....and for that reason i think we will always fall short under him.
posted on 25/3/24
Because Southgate is English, and not a WUM like Mourinho, he's a lot more immune to criticism in the media's eyes regardless of his tactical acumen and stats.
posted on 25/3/24
£5m a year to 'watch a lot of matches' but by and large play the same players and system - he's havin' a giraffe - no wonder he's a yes man to stay in that cushy number!
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I'd have Ole back over Southgate any day. I bet you'd struggle to find a Utd fan who wouldn't.
If it's Ten Hag v Southgate for next season then we really are lost as a club. But that's an easy stick with Ten Hag decision e ven for me who thinks we can do better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I dont think that Jims big master plan to back his talk since he got his feet unfder the table is to install Gareth.. or Potter for that matter. I think he knows United fans wont buy that. It would be a complete waste of his Billions investment and all that bidding nonsense that took months.
However what he does want it seems is a yes man as a manager. Hes made it clear the manager will be just be in charge of training and the 'style of play' will be decided by himself/INEOS and the D of F. So maybe Erik doesnt want to be that man... and Gareth/Potter might be OK with it. I get the impression with Jim that its going to be his way or the highway for a lot of the currentstaff at OT.
posted on 25/3/24
I think up until very recently, his decision to play two sitting midfielders made some sense because we just didn't have the talent in the middle of the park to control a game so we needed that protection. Now though, we have the opportunity to play Rice as the only sitting midfielder with Bellingham and Foden in front. Nearly every player we have in midfield and attack will play for a side that controls the game and defends from the front by pressing high. It's more natural, surely to play a system more familiar to them. We have the talent now to control games where we didn't before so for me Southgate has no excuses. Gallagher was woeful and playing Foden on the right of the front three will be problematic when Saka comes back. When he does, where does Foden play? You cannot leave him out. If he's on the bench at the Euros then shame on Southgate because he would be sacrificing a generational talent for more caution. Crazy.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How did he even get to choose whether to stay on or not after 3 goes of managing England and ultimately falling short? It's so small time from the English FA to allow him to have a choice. Should have been let go of after the last World Cup.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
posted on 25/3/24
Spain, France, Germany all created amazing, successfull teams playing very good football so i am not buying the England cannot given the talent we now have.
Southgate has been with England long enough now to ingrain a clear style and that is very clearly one that errs of the defensive and we really haven't seen any real attempt to be more daring and creative.
He may only have a few weeks a year with the squad but he is very well paid for a full time job so he will be watching a lot of football, witnessing a lot of different tactics and approaches, so has ample opportunity to evolve Englands tactics
[...]
Italy are Euro champs and theyre bang average and beat us to win.
---------------------------------------------------
Those finest Spain and Germany sides benefitted from the fact that there was not only a fairly consistent national footballing identity that players were brought up in, but having cores of players who were teammates in generationally dominant clubs. England is very different, because our best players are scattered across lots of different clubs and the PL has more diversity in tactics and playing styles than any other major league. Meanwhile, the most fluent attacking clubs sides these days rely on 'automatisms' of choreographed collective movements that rely on weeks of training to perfect. I don't think it's accurate to suggest that England would be able to play that way with a better manager. Indeed, two CL-winning managers (Flick and Luis Enrique) utterly failed at the last WC with teams that boast a lot of talent. France looked excellent not because they played tactically sophisticated or possession dominant football - Didier Deschamps also gets criticised domestically for his boring, safety-first approach - but because they have such an array of talent.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
I'm certain he knows more about all faucets of football than I do
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It does worry me that he hasn't been able to do something about our leaky defence...
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah all of the other top 10 teams have been on the other side of the draw from England, hence them reaching semi and final recently, and losing to the first good team they face.
With Kane also never having won his team a trophy with any of his goals, coupled with the international flat tracking, could it be said that Kane, now in his 30s, has never scored a meaningful goal??
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah all of the other top 10 teams have been on the other side of the draw from England, hence them reaching semi and final recently, and losing to the first good team they face.
With Kane also never having won his team a trophy with any of his goals, coupled with the international flat tracking, could it be said that Kane, now in his 30s, has never scored a meaningful goal??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nail. Meet. Head.
posted on 25/3/24
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 21 seconds ago
Just 2 of Flatrack Kane (pen) 62 England goals have come in competitive matches against top ten nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that's a stat. 😲
If true doesn't surprise me though. We just look lost against any decent side that knows what they are doing tactically as I said above.
Luckiest man alive to have had this job for so long is Gareth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
to give that stat meaning, how many competitive matches vs top 10 nations have we played?
It isnt many.
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Yeah all of the other top 10 teams have been on the other side of the draw from England, hence them reaching semi and final recently, and losing to the first good team they face.
With Kane also never having won his team a trophy with any of his goals, coupled with the international flat tracking, could it be said that Kane, now in his 30s, has never scored a meaningful goal??
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