comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 57 seconds ago
southgate soon
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Why are you posting about Liverpool on a UTD thread?
Stepped down, with a £2m golden handshake I'd imagine.
That’s most of the Glazer germ erased from the club
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We don't have any evidence that Murtough was good at his job, but we do know that he had little power under the Woodward years, and that the Glazers insisted on signing off on transfers, often dithering before coming to a conclusion, which frequently prevented us from acting in an agile way in the market. We also know that he made attempts to modernise the structure when given more autonomy a couple of years ago, and we're not in a position to judge whether these efforts were largely in the right direction, whether they were also subject to constraints and compromises as a result of the ownership, nor even what the long-term impact would have been. But I do recall how people on this website spoke similarly about, for instance, Solskjaer's coaching staff because bad football = everyone is bad at their jobs, right? Yet we see that when you put people in a structure that's conducive to success, the likes of McKenna and Carrick turn out to have a bit of talent.
Given the amount of talent and experience coming into the organisation under INEOS and the desire to drive fresh thinking, it obviously makes sense to part ways with Murtough. But he seems to have been a decent man, who by accounts was actively supportive toward the new leadership who he must have known would at best demote him. So I'd hesitate to apply to him the kind of language that Trump uses about non-white migrants, and the most genocidal elements within the Israeli government use about Palestinians.
So I'd hesitate to apply to him the kind of language that Trump uses about non-white migrants, and the most genocidal elements within the Israeli government use about Palestinians
Oh come on man
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 21 minutes ago
southgate soon
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You will still not be able to beat us.
😂
I won't be taking his job. After some consideration I turned it down because I am too busy with other commitments.
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Championship Wilcox? You do realise he was at Man City only 11 months ago? 🙃
Of course you didn't. You're a numbskull.
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
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He's not getting them promoted
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
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He's not getting them promoted
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He's not their manager mate. You are aware right?
Also they are every much in the playoff picture so could be promoted anyway.
You really are thick as mince aren't you? 😂
Was stealing a living. Good riddance.
A new dawn truly beckons. Hopefully exciting times ahead with the restructure and a professional and outward looking setup. Should finally mean a blueprint to long term success is outlined and recruitment is in accordance with the long term plans with the coach (whether ETH or otherwise) tasked to just coach.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
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He's not getting them promoted
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He's not their manager mate. You are aware right?
Also they are every much in the playoff picture so could be promoted anyway.
You really are thick as mince aren't you? 😂
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Let him be, he's harmless. Just wants to mingle with people who will be tasting success in the near future whilst his club, post Klopp, disappear into obscurity! 😁
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
That’s most of the Glazer germ erased from the club
---------------------------------------------------------------
We don't have any evidence that Murtough was good at his job, but we do know that he had little power under the Woodward years, and that the Glazers insisted on signing off on transfers, often dithering before coming to a conclusion, which frequently prevented us from acting in an agile way in the market. We also know that he made attempts to modernise the structure when given more autonomy a couple of years ago, and we're not in a position to judge whether these efforts were largely in the right direction, whether they were also subject to constraints and compromises as a result of the ownership, nor even what the long-term impact would have been. But I do recall how people on this website spoke similarly about, for instance, Solskjaer's coaching staff because bad football = everyone is bad at their jobs, right? Yet we see that when you put people in a structure that's conducive to success, the likes of McKenna and Carrick turn out to have a bit of talent.
Given the amount of talent and experience coming into the organisation under INEOS and the desire to drive fresh thinking, it obviously makes sense to part ways with Murtough. But he seems to have been a decent man, who by accounts was actively supportive toward the new leadership who he must have known would at best demote him. So I'd hesitate to apply to him the kind of language that Trump uses about non-white migrants, and the most genocidal elements within the Israeli government use about Palestinians.
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Owners of any club would have input on a major transfer. What evidence do we have that they dragged their heels?
Confirmation from the club
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/john-murtough-to-leave-manchester-united
Owners of any club would have input on a major transfer. What evidence do we have that they dragged their heels?
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Lots of rigorous and very detailed reporting documents the extreme dysfunction caused by excessive involvement of non-sporting executives. This has in particular revealed the way big decisions couldn't be made without Joel Glazer signing off, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in the granular commercial or sporting analysis, and how the club was often left waiting days for decisions to be made. This is not typical of well-run clubs, RDD.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 21 minutes ago
Owners of any club would have input on a major transfer. What evidence do we have that they dragged their heels?
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Lots of rigorous and very detailed reporting documents the extreme dysfunction caused by excessive involvement of non-sporting executives. This has in particular revealed the way big decisions couldn't be made without Joel Glazer signing off, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in the granular commercial or sporting analysis, and how the club was often left waiting days for decisions to be made. This is not typical of well-run clubs, RDD.
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Where are these reports of excessive involvement from Glazer, taking days?
Didn't Joel Glazer twice block the sale of Martial because he was his favourite player and likened him to Pele
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
southgate soon
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Kash is dead, long live Taki
Still waiting for all these rigorous and very detailed reports of Glazer taking an excessive amount of time to make decisions.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Still waiting for all these rigorous and very detailed reports of Glazer taking an excessive amount of time to make decisions.
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Just Google it or Ask Jeeves.
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Still waiting for all these rigorous and very detailed reports of Glazer taking an excessive amount of time to make decisions.
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Just Google it or Ask Jeeves.
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Go ahead. Il wait for Mr Verbosity to back his claims up (Atheltic stories no doubt)
RDD, I've previously shared links to extremely detailed, long-form reports on our recruitment operations and wider operational structure, published by the Athletic in particular, on this forum. These were based on dozens of conversations with United insiders and agents / Directors of Football who have dealt with the club. I have no interest in debating this with someone with a long history of obtuse engagement and trolling, let alone taking the trouble to look up links for you.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 37 minutes ago
Didn't Joel Glazer twice block the sale of Martial because he was his favourite player and likened him to Pele
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That was reported, yes
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posted on 9/4/24
southgate soon
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 57 seconds ago
southgate soon
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Why are you posting about Liverpool on a UTD thread?
posted on 9/4/24
Stepped down, with a £2m golden handshake I'd imagine.
posted on 9/4/24
That’s most of the Glazer germ erased from the club
---------------------------------------------------------------
We don't have any evidence that Murtough was good at his job, but we do know that he had little power under the Woodward years, and that the Glazers insisted on signing off on transfers, often dithering before coming to a conclusion, which frequently prevented us from acting in an agile way in the market. We also know that he made attempts to modernise the structure when given more autonomy a couple of years ago, and we're not in a position to judge whether these efforts were largely in the right direction, whether they were also subject to constraints and compromises as a result of the ownership, nor even what the long-term impact would have been. But I do recall how people on this website spoke similarly about, for instance, Solskjaer's coaching staff because bad football = everyone is bad at their jobs, right? Yet we see that when you put people in a structure that's conducive to success, the likes of McKenna and Carrick turn out to have a bit of talent.
Given the amount of talent and experience coming into the organisation under INEOS and the desire to drive fresh thinking, it obviously makes sense to part ways with Murtough. But he seems to have been a decent man, who by accounts was actively supportive toward the new leadership who he must have known would at best demote him. So I'd hesitate to apply to him the kind of language that Trump uses about non-white migrants, and the most genocidal elements within the Israeli government use about Palestinians.
posted on 9/4/24
So I'd hesitate to apply to him the kind of language that Trump uses about non-white migrants, and the most genocidal elements within the Israeli government use about Palestinians
Oh come on man
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 21 minutes ago
southgate soon
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You will still not be able to beat us.
😂
posted on 9/4/24
I won't be taking his job. After some consideration I turned it down because I am too busy with other commitments.
posted on 9/4/24
Championship Wilcox soon
posted on 9/4/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Championship Wilcox? You do realise he was at Man City only 11 months ago? 🙃
Of course you didn't. You're a numbskull.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
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He's not getting them promoted
posted on 9/4/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's not getting them promoted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's not their manager mate. You are aware right?
Also they are every much in the playoff picture so could be promoted anyway.
You really are thick as mince aren't you? 😂
posted on 9/4/24
Was stealing a living. Good riddance.
A new dawn truly beckons. Hopefully exciting times ahead with the restructure and a professional and outward looking setup. Should finally mean a blueprint to long term success is outlined and recruitment is in accordance with the long term plans with the coach (whether ETH or otherwise) tasked to just coach.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
Championship Wilcox soon
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Got them relegated didn’t he?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's not getting them promoted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's not their manager mate. You are aware right?
Also they are every much in the playoff picture so could be promoted anyway.
You really are thick as mince aren't you? 😂
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let him be, he's harmless. Just wants to mingle with people who will be tasting success in the near future whilst his club, post Klopp, disappear into obscurity! 😁
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
That’s most of the Glazer germ erased from the club
---------------------------------------------------------------
We don't have any evidence that Murtough was good at his job, but we do know that he had little power under the Woodward years, and that the Glazers insisted on signing off on transfers, often dithering before coming to a conclusion, which frequently prevented us from acting in an agile way in the market. We also know that he made attempts to modernise the structure when given more autonomy a couple of years ago, and we're not in a position to judge whether these efforts were largely in the right direction, whether they were also subject to constraints and compromises as a result of the ownership, nor even what the long-term impact would have been. But I do recall how people on this website spoke similarly about, for instance, Solskjaer's coaching staff because bad football = everyone is bad at their jobs, right? Yet we see that when you put people in a structure that's conducive to success, the likes of McKenna and Carrick turn out to have a bit of talent.
Given the amount of talent and experience coming into the organisation under INEOS and the desire to drive fresh thinking, it obviously makes sense to part ways with Murtough. But he seems to have been a decent man, who by accounts was actively supportive toward the new leadership who he must have known would at best demote him. So I'd hesitate to apply to him the kind of language that Trump uses about non-white migrants, and the most genocidal elements within the Israeli government use about Palestinians.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Owners of any club would have input on a major transfer. What evidence do we have that they dragged their heels?
posted on 9/4/24
Confirmation from the club
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/john-murtough-to-leave-manchester-united
posted on 9/4/24
Owners of any club would have input on a major transfer. What evidence do we have that they dragged their heels?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of rigorous and very detailed reporting documents the extreme dysfunction caused by excessive involvement of non-sporting executives. This has in particular revealed the way big decisions couldn't be made without Joel Glazer signing off, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in the granular commercial or sporting analysis, and how the club was often left waiting days for decisions to be made. This is not typical of well-run clubs, RDD.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 21 minutes ago
Owners of any club would have input on a major transfer. What evidence do we have that they dragged their heels?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of rigorous and very detailed reporting documents the extreme dysfunction caused by excessive involvement of non-sporting executives. This has in particular revealed the way big decisions couldn't be made without Joel Glazer signing off, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in the granular commercial or sporting analysis, and how the club was often left waiting days for decisions to be made. This is not typical of well-run clubs, RDD.
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Where are these reports of excessive involvement from Glazer, taking days?
posted on 9/4/24
Didn't Joel Glazer twice block the sale of Martial because he was his favourite player and likened him to Pele
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
southgate soon
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Kash is dead, long live Taki
posted on 9/4/24
Still waiting for all these rigorous and very detailed reports of Glazer taking an excessive amount of time to make decisions.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Still waiting for all these rigorous and very detailed reports of Glazer taking an excessive amount of time to make decisions.
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Just Google it or Ask Jeeves.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Still waiting for all these rigorous and very detailed reports of Glazer taking an excessive amount of time to make decisions.
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Just Google it or Ask Jeeves.
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Go ahead. Il wait for Mr Verbosity to back his claims up (Atheltic stories no doubt)
posted on 9/4/24
RDD, I've previously shared links to extremely detailed, long-form reports on our recruitment operations and wider operational structure, published by the Athletic in particular, on this forum. These were based on dozens of conversations with United insiders and agents / Directors of Football who have dealt with the club. I have no interest in debating this with someone with a long history of obtuse engagement and trolling, let alone taking the trouble to look up links for you.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 37 minutes ago
Didn't Joel Glazer twice block the sale of Martial because he was his favourite player and likened him to Pele
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That was reported, yes
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