Okay, I have one question for you...
What kind of football does he play?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Okay, I have one question for you...
What kind of football does he play?
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I've covered that in the first paragraph really. To clarify I am pretty confused with the football at times. I'm just wondering why people think he could stay.
I think it’s got to the point where he’s now punch drunk
So many losses, he’s becoming delusional in interviews
“We played really well”
“We’re the most dynamic and entertaining team in the league”
The kindest thing is to put him out of his misery
So unfortunately I can’t make a case for him to remain as manager
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think it’s got to the point where he’s now punch drunk
So many losses, he’s becoming delusional in interviews
“We played really well”
“We’re the most dynamic and entertaining team in the league”
The kindest thing is to put him out of his misery
So unfortunately I can’t make a case for him to remain as manager
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That's fair enough.
My take is no manager would succeed this season, there have been too many issues out of Ten Hag's control.
I guess the only want to analyse the situation is pointing to what ETH has done well, you can point to 3 finals in 2 seasons, with at least 1 trophy, but I see little outside of that.
Quotes from ETH today (via Athletic) on our style of play, presented without comment:
“We thought about this (playing defensively), but one of my objectives here was to bring in a proactive way of play,” he said.
“The players will return (from injury) so if you then adjust, go in a very defensive style and it doesn’t fit to the players we already have, then if you don’t get the results and everyone will lose the confidence.
“We improved our attacking game, we scored more goals and were more consistent… we are making improvements, but not enough.
“We know that, we know what it demands and what the standards are. We want to get back to wins so we have to make the next step. We have to get into a winning position and then bring it over the line.”
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 7 minutes ago
My take is no manager would succeed this season, there have been too many issues out of Ten Hag's control.
I guess the only want to analyse the situation is pointing to what ETH has done well, you can point to 3 finals in 2 seasons, with at least 1 trophy, but I see little outside of that.
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Is the way he's asking us to play making the injury situation worse than it needs to be though? Going man to man in midfield and playing games like they are basketball matches doesn't strike me as a great tactic when your squad is like the walking dead.
Maybe if we'd have played more conservatively in some games, saving energy for counter opportunities we wouldn't have picked up as many injuries or might have more PTS too? Who knows. We won't ever find out.
I genuinely don't think we can afford to give him another year personally. He's had two seasons and the progression just isn't there. We actually score less goals now than we did under Ole so that tells it's own story.
Send him on his way and wish him all the best. Hes just not the man for this job. No real shame in that.
Nah he's gone, I always said he was better suited to wait for Bayern instead of Utd where he had to do alot of heavy renovations. Now they're actually seem to be interested in him as a replacement for Tuchel.
Bottom line is that the quality of the squad is the leading factor of a manager 'doing well' or not, as very few are able to outperform structurally. EtH has done about as good as what could be expected from that squad.
The only point/area you can ding him on is transfers, like uncle Louis he's horrendous with identifying specific targets as shown with his obvious crappy FC Utrecht transfers at Ajax and now at Utd.
Fortunately Bayern has much better technical directors/staff (poached from the Red Bull clubs)...
That’s right, we’ll see a huge difference when Southgate takes charge with Jim and Dan’s blessing
In an interview with Gary Neville, via Sky, ETH has made a pretty decent case for himself.
A very good first season.
Signings were made ahead of his second season, to take the team to the next level, which was to play a high line and progressive football.
Onana to play out from the back
Mount as a dynamic centre midfielder
Hojlund to score the goals (as unable to get Kane)
Season scuppered by unprecedented levels of injuries. Did consider playing more defensive but this went against what he had promised in terms of playing style when appointed, plus he thought this would be more disruptive as players returned from injury.
Lots of off-field stuff to contend with -
Greenwood’s future
Sancho fallout
Rashfords form
Pro longed takeover process
Poor upper management
Despite this, he has promoted Garnacho, Mainoo and Kawbawala, and got us to another FA Cup final.
Unless there is an elite manager out there who we can confidently say can deliver successful AND exciting football, then I think we should give ETH another season.
That's what it's all about. It's opinions. We all have different ones.
Personally I think we'd be insane to give this man another season and allow him to have some say on more transfers.
We shall find out after Wembley. Personally I think behind the scenes the conversations have already begun and he will be off.
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
That’s right, we’ll see a huge difference when Southgate takes charge with Jim and Dan’s blessing
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How many steering wheels are we gonna have next season?
Or are we going to ditch the bus once and for all and create a puppet master role for Sir Jim to sit there and pull multiple peoples strings?
Diafol, I think you've covered both sides well.
I won't cry if he's sacked, but I don't want him sacked until we have the next man lined up. And a man that has his team playing in a way thatatches our traditional way.ie. playing attacking football, playing youth when they are good enough.
ETH is better than he gets credit for, three finals in two seasons shows he knows something about football, and this with all the problems of injuries and off field factors.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 seconds ago
Diafol, I think you've covered both sides well.
I won't cry if he's sacked, but I don't want him sacked until we have the next man lined up. And a man that has his team playing in a way thatatches our traditional way.ie. playing attacking football, playing youth when they are good enough.
ETH is better than he gets credit for, three finals in two seasons shows he knows something about football, and this with all the problems of injuries and off field factors.
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I'm torn with him 52.
On one hand he's managed the team pretty badly at times and can have no real complaints if he's sacked. On the other hand though he's had to deal with a lot of crap and a crazy injury list.
I think the main issue is, in terms of being unsure, is that there's no real outstanding candidate out there. Well, not an obvious one anyway. The irony is though that the Ajax Ten Hag would be near the top of any list now!
In fact I agree with RDD on this issue. It's not often that happens, but it has here.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Diafol, I think you've covered both sides well.
I won't cry if he's sacked, but I don't want him sacked until we have the next man lined up. And a man that has his team playing in a way thatatches our traditional way.ie. playing attacking football, playing youth when they are good enough.
ETH is better than he gets credit for, three finals in two seasons shows he knows something about football, and this with all the problems of injuries and off field factors.
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The finals do have to look at in more detail though. We got 10 out of 10 domestic cups draws at home last season and didn't really play anyone that good. That's very good fortune.
This season it's been a fairly easy pathway again except for Liverpool at home. We got drawn against a championship side at the semi final stage which almost never happens and we still nearly lost that one too.
On paper 3 out of 4 finals looks great but context is everything. And let's not forget that we lost one of those and are strong favourites to lose the upcoming one as well.
The reasons to get rid of him are the horrendous football we play, the setup of the team that everyone thinks is wrong and his awful transfers.
I don't wish him any malice or anything. Hope he goes back to Ajax and wins them the league again. He's just not the manager I thought we were getting and he's never going to win us a league title in England.
I just don't think you get anywhere if your tactics and philosophy change depending on personnel. If you want to be challenging you're going to have to find a coach that has a front foot mentality regardless of squad profile, then recruitment becomes that bit more focused as you slowly build to fit that philosophy.
United shouldn't be a counter-attacking side. They just shouldn't be. You cannot be a club that relinquishes control in a match against relegation fodder. It's just not right. It confuses me as his Ajax side were so dominant on the ball. They were nothing like this United side so it has me questioning who he is and what he represents. If I were a United fan, I'd want rid, definitely so you can get someone in that shares the same philosophy as those in the boardroom. ETH is not that guy.
Ofcourse there are rumours that ange from spurs might also be taking over here. Between him and sir Gareth the future will be bright…
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Ofcourse there are rumours that ange from spurs might also be taking over here. Between him and sir Gareth the future will be bright…
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Yeah, good luck with that.
ETH has stated that he does not have the players to play the same way his Ajax team did.
Well, he doesn’t have the players to play 4-2-3-1 either but he keeps persisting with it.
He has to go as he has been unable to field a team that can stop other teams walking through our midfield and having twenty shots at goal each game.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Ofcourse there are rumours that ange from spurs might also be taking over here. Between him and sir Gareth the future will be bright…
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Yeah, good luck with that.
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Haven't seen any of these links myself..... however you're incredibly naive if you don't think he'd leave Spurs for the United job. He'd drop you in a heartbeat if he got an offer.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
ETH has stated that he does not have the players to play the same way his Ajax team did.
Well, he doesn’t have the players to play 4-2-3-1 either but he keeps persisting with it.
He has to go as he has been unable to field a team that can stop other teams walking through our midfield and having twenty shots at goal each game.
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Pretty much where I am. Repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome gets you the sack.
Fans would give him the benefit of the doubt of playing more conservatively with all our injuries. He's refused to do this and continued the 'we attack then you attack' policy.
Time to go.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
ETH has stated that he does not have the players to play the same way his Ajax team did.
Well, he doesn’t have the players to play 4-2-3-1 either but he keeps persisting with it.
He has to go as he has been unable to field a team that can stop other teams walking through our midfield and having twenty shots at goal each game.
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Pretty much where I am. Repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome gets you the sack.
Fans would give him the benefit of the doubt of playing more conservatively with all our injuries. He's refused to do this and continued the 'we attack then you attack' policy.
Time to go.
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And be replaced by who?
Surely, to call for a manager to be sacked, you should be able to name a superior replacement, and say how, and why they would be better?
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posted on 3/5/24
Okay, I have one question for you...
What kind of football does he play?
posted on 3/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Okay, I have one question for you...
What kind of football does he play?
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I've covered that in the first paragraph really. To clarify I am pretty confused with the football at times. I'm just wondering why people think he could stay.
posted on 3/5/24
I think it’s got to the point where he’s now punch drunk
So many losses, he’s becoming delusional in interviews
“We played really well”
“We’re the most dynamic and entertaining team in the league”
The kindest thing is to put him out of his misery
So unfortunately I can’t make a case for him to remain as manager
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 55 seconds ago
I think it’s got to the point where he’s now punch drunk
So many losses, he’s becoming delusional in interviews
“We played really well”
“We’re the most dynamic and entertaining team in the league”
The kindest thing is to put him out of his misery
So unfortunately I can’t make a case for him to remain as manager
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That's fair enough.
posted on 3/5/24
My take is no manager would succeed this season, there have been too many issues out of Ten Hag's control.
I guess the only want to analyse the situation is pointing to what ETH has done well, you can point to 3 finals in 2 seasons, with at least 1 trophy, but I see little outside of that.
posted on 3/5/24
Quotes from ETH today (via Athletic) on our style of play, presented without comment:
“We thought about this (playing defensively), but one of my objectives here was to bring in a proactive way of play,” he said.
“The players will return (from injury) so if you then adjust, go in a very defensive style and it doesn’t fit to the players we already have, then if you don’t get the results and everyone will lose the confidence.
“We improved our attacking game, we scored more goals and were more consistent… we are making improvements, but not enough.
“We know that, we know what it demands and what the standards are. We want to get back to wins so we have to make the next step. We have to get into a winning position and then bring it over the line.”
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 7 minutes ago
My take is no manager would succeed this season, there have been too many issues out of Ten Hag's control.
I guess the only want to analyse the situation is pointing to what ETH has done well, you can point to 3 finals in 2 seasons, with at least 1 trophy, but I see little outside of that.
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This
posted on 3/5/24
Is the way he's asking us to play making the injury situation worse than it needs to be though? Going man to man in midfield and playing games like they are basketball matches doesn't strike me as a great tactic when your squad is like the walking dead.
Maybe if we'd have played more conservatively in some games, saving energy for counter opportunities we wouldn't have picked up as many injuries or might have more PTS too? Who knows. We won't ever find out.
I genuinely don't think we can afford to give him another year personally. He's had two seasons and the progression just isn't there. We actually score less goals now than we did under Ole so that tells it's own story.
Send him on his way and wish him all the best. Hes just not the man for this job. No real shame in that.
posted on 3/5/24
Nah he's gone, I always said he was better suited to wait for Bayern instead of Utd where he had to do alot of heavy renovations. Now they're actually seem to be interested in him as a replacement for Tuchel.
Bottom line is that the quality of the squad is the leading factor of a manager 'doing well' or not, as very few are able to outperform structurally. EtH has done about as good as what could be expected from that squad.
The only point/area you can ding him on is transfers, like uncle Louis he's horrendous with identifying specific targets as shown with his obvious crappy FC Utrecht transfers at Ajax and now at Utd.
Fortunately Bayern has much better technical directors/staff (poached from the Red Bull clubs)...
posted on 3/5/24
That’s right, we’ll see a huge difference when Southgate takes charge with Jim and Dan’s blessing
posted on 3/5/24
In an interview with Gary Neville, via Sky, ETH has made a pretty decent case for himself.
A very good first season.
Signings were made ahead of his second season, to take the team to the next level, which was to play a high line and progressive football.
Onana to play out from the back
Mount as a dynamic centre midfielder
Hojlund to score the goals (as unable to get Kane)
Season scuppered by unprecedented levels of injuries. Did consider playing more defensive but this went against what he had promised in terms of playing style when appointed, plus he thought this would be more disruptive as players returned from injury.
Lots of off-field stuff to contend with -
Greenwood’s future
Sancho fallout
Rashfords form
Pro longed takeover process
Poor upper management
Despite this, he has promoted Garnacho, Mainoo and Kawbawala, and got us to another FA Cup final.
Unless there is an elite manager out there who we can confidently say can deliver successful AND exciting football, then I think we should give ETH another season.
posted on 3/5/24
That's what it's all about. It's opinions. We all have different ones.
Personally I think we'd be insane to give this man another season and allow him to have some say on more transfers.
We shall find out after Wembley. Personally I think behind the scenes the conversations have already begun and he will be off.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
That’s right, we’ll see a huge difference when Southgate takes charge with Jim and Dan’s blessing
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How many steering wheels are we gonna have next season?
Or are we going to ditch the bus once and for all and create a puppet master role for Sir Jim to sit there and pull multiple peoples strings?
posted on 3/5/24
Diafol, I think you've covered both sides well.
I won't cry if he's sacked, but I don't want him sacked until we have the next man lined up. And a man that has his team playing in a way thatatches our traditional way.ie. playing attacking football, playing youth when they are good enough.
ETH is better than he gets credit for, three finals in two seasons shows he knows something about football, and this with all the problems of injuries and off field factors.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 seconds ago
Diafol, I think you've covered both sides well.
I won't cry if he's sacked, but I don't want him sacked until we have the next man lined up. And a man that has his team playing in a way thatatches our traditional way.ie. playing attacking football, playing youth when they are good enough.
ETH is better than he gets credit for, three finals in two seasons shows he knows something about football, and this with all the problems of injuries and off field factors.
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I'm torn with him 52.
On one hand he's managed the team pretty badly at times and can have no real complaints if he's sacked. On the other hand though he's had to deal with a lot of crap and a crazy injury list.
I think the main issue is, in terms of being unsure, is that there's no real outstanding candidate out there. Well, not an obvious one anyway. The irony is though that the Ajax Ten Hag would be near the top of any list now!
posted on 3/5/24
In fact I agree with RDD on this issue. It's not often that happens, but it has here.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Diafol, I think you've covered both sides well.
I won't cry if he's sacked, but I don't want him sacked until we have the next man lined up. And a man that has his team playing in a way thatatches our traditional way.ie. playing attacking football, playing youth when they are good enough.
ETH is better than he gets credit for, three finals in two seasons shows he knows something about football, and this with all the problems of injuries and off field factors.
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The finals do have to look at in more detail though. We got 10 out of 10 domestic cups draws at home last season and didn't really play anyone that good. That's very good fortune.
This season it's been a fairly easy pathway again except for Liverpool at home. We got drawn against a championship side at the semi final stage which almost never happens and we still nearly lost that one too.
On paper 3 out of 4 finals looks great but context is everything. And let's not forget that we lost one of those and are strong favourites to lose the upcoming one as well.
The reasons to get rid of him are the horrendous football we play, the setup of the team that everyone thinks is wrong and his awful transfers.
I don't wish him any malice or anything. Hope he goes back to Ajax and wins them the league again. He's just not the manager I thought we were getting and he's never going to win us a league title in England.
posted on 3/5/24
I just don't think you get anywhere if your tactics and philosophy change depending on personnel. If you want to be challenging you're going to have to find a coach that has a front foot mentality regardless of squad profile, then recruitment becomes that bit more focused as you slowly build to fit that philosophy.
United shouldn't be a counter-attacking side. They just shouldn't be. You cannot be a club that relinquishes control in a match against relegation fodder. It's just not right. It confuses me as his Ajax side were so dominant on the ball. They were nothing like this United side so it has me questioning who he is and what he represents. If I were a United fan, I'd want rid, definitely so you can get someone in that shares the same philosophy as those in the boardroom. ETH is not that guy.
posted on 3/5/24
Ofcourse there are rumours that ange from spurs might also be taking over here. Between him and sir Gareth the future will be bright…
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Ofcourse there are rumours that ange from spurs might also be taking over here. Between him and sir Gareth the future will be bright…
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Yeah, good luck with that.
posted on 3/5/24
ETH has stated that he does not have the players to play the same way his Ajax team did.
Well, he doesn’t have the players to play 4-2-3-1 either but he keeps persisting with it.
He has to go as he has been unable to field a team that can stop other teams walking through our midfield and having twenty shots at goal each game.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Ofcourse there are rumours that ange from spurs might also be taking over here. Between him and sir Gareth the future will be bright…
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Yeah, good luck with that.
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Haven't seen any of these links myself..... however you're incredibly naive if you don't think he'd leave Spurs for the United job. He'd drop you in a heartbeat if he got an offer.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
ETH has stated that he does not have the players to play the same way his Ajax team did.
Well, he doesn’t have the players to play 4-2-3-1 either but he keeps persisting with it.
He has to go as he has been unable to field a team that can stop other teams walking through our midfield and having twenty shots at goal each game.
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Pretty much where I am. Repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome gets you the sack.
Fans would give him the benefit of the doubt of playing more conservatively with all our injuries. He's refused to do this and continued the 'we attack then you attack' policy.
Time to go.
posted on 3/5/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
ETH has stated that he does not have the players to play the same way his Ajax team did.
Well, he doesn’t have the players to play 4-2-3-1 either but he keeps persisting with it.
He has to go as he has been unable to field a team that can stop other teams walking through our midfield and having twenty shots at goal each game.
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Pretty much where I am. Repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome gets you the sack.
Fans would give him the benefit of the doubt of playing more conservatively with all our injuries. He's refused to do this and continued the 'we attack then you attack' policy.
Time to go.
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And be replaced by who?
posted on 3/5/24
Surely, to call for a manager to be sacked, you should be able to name a superior replacement, and say how, and why they would be better?
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