Loan out our only striker.
Makes sense.
I think it is time for Garnacho to step into the middle. He is a young Ronaldo and actually better than Ronaldo was at his age. Why wait until he is older before moving him into the central striker position like Ronaldo did and get the full potential from him right now? Ronaldo got 60 goals a season at Real Madrid, Garnacho could get 70+ at us if played centrally.
He is very raw. Cannot hold the ball up or dribble past defender. Even his finishing is questionable. Utd definitely need a better striker next season.
I saw someone describe him on twitter as "Weighorst with a purple patch in Feb", which is a fair assessment
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 1 minute ago
He is very raw. Cannot hold the ball up or dribble past defender. Even his finishing is questionable. Utd definitely need a better striker next season.
I saw someone describe him on twitter as "Weighorst with a purple patch in Feb", which is a fair assessment
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Hafi dubbed him rapid Weghorst which is much better.
Loaning him would be daft because we’d then need to sign two strikers. Unfortunately, I think we’ll be persisting with him as the main striker next season given how much work we need to do on the squad, and the lack of striker options available for reasonable fees.
I want to see a new manager and a new formation.
Go get Ruben Amorim and change to 352. 4231 has become stale and predictable.
With 4/5 sensible signings we could make it work.
Yeah for his size and physical attributes hes a bit lightweight isnt he. I dont expect him to have given Saliba and Gabriel with rice and partey sat infront of them too much trouble but i expected him to atleast try and put himself about. He was awful, hold up play was poor. The half chance he did get he didnt turn and shoot just waited until it was 4 vs 1. Some sympathy for him in terms of utds refusing to put the ball in the box all game though.
Recency bias means I want to go and raid crystal palace's entire forward line.
I would like him to be our main striker next season, but he has regreseed in the second half of this season, like most other players in this Ten Hag system, and is clearly lacking elite managemnet and coaching and also mentoring and assistance from other senior central attackers around him. Basically he clearly isnt ready for leading the line at Man United on his own and under the current manager.
He is one of the many areas of this very, very, poor squad of players that obviously needs better attention with a 'new broom'.
I think if you had put Hojlund in any other top 8 team, he would have done a lot better - anyone playing up front in our team is going to struggle. Part of the problem lies with the player, who is still young and developing, but the main problem is we don't attack with any real consistency, so it's difficult to know which runs to make etc.
It's also his first season, and he has settled in pretty well in a difficult situation. Of course he need support, but that doesn't mean we laon him up. Given that there is no-one if Hojlund is injured, what do we do if 'the replacement' gets injured?
The issue is both Hojlund and Garnacho are both young, and so you would have hoped Rashford would take responsibility - but he's not that type of player, even though far more experienced, he's not what you would call a 'leader on the pitch'.
I have suggested a Bowen type player, who can play across the front line and also lead by example would be a perfect example to help those 3.
Hojlund isn't getting a pass or cross. He got better supply at Atalanta. Just go watch those games he played over there.
The manager hasn't got a clue. We are missing defenders, yes, so that kind of excuses some of the goals against but by and large our attackers have all been fit most of the season. None of them have been above a 5 or 6 out of 10. It's a coaching issue. There's just no cohesion with any of them.
On paper, you look at Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund, Bruno behind them, and you should be thinking, wow, a fair few goals, or even chances created there.
With the right coaching and team set-up, that should be the way, but it's been soooo disappointing this season.
With our defensive issues, you would think we would lose most games 3-2, or draw 2-2 or 3-3, but our goal tally has been so poor.
For whatever reason, ETH has not been able to get the best out of them. As i said before, we need someone to help out up front, but we need a new approach also with a new manager
Hojlund is the least of your problems.
So many excuses are made for him. He’s getting outperformed by players like Wood, Adebayo and Wissa. He wouldn’t get in the top eight teams so no point trying to argue what he would do there.
Hojlund has done OK when you consider his inexperience, and I'd guess that if you looked at output per chances created for him, his first season would be seen in a very positive light. He's adept at getting good quality shots away when he's found in the box - we just don't get the ball to him very often. Then it's tough to get into any kind of scoring rhythm. I generally think he'll be a good acquisition, but it was madness bringing in just one striker, particularly showing no interest when Marcus Thuram was available on a free (and went on to have an impressive first season at Inter).
comment by Jerry O'Driscoll (U1734)
posted 35 minutes ago
I think it is time for Garnacho to step into the middle. He is a young Ronaldo and actually better than Ronaldo was at his age. Why wait until he is older before moving him into the central striker position like Ronaldo did and get the full potential from him right now? Ronaldo got 60 goals a season at Real Madrid, Garnacho could get 70+ at us if played centrally.
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I quickly skimmed that comment and very nearly Barry'd myself in reply.
When it's 1 or 2 players who haven't had a good season you can sort of say it's on the players and maybe they aren't ready.
Who has performed well this season in the front 6?
Rashford - Massive regression
Antony - Similar level to last year. Dross.
Garnacho - works hard. Output not great
Sancho - Frozen out
Amad - Barely played
Bruno - Had a very poor yr. Improved a bit at the end.
Martial - Invisible man
When your entire front line is not playing well it's a coaching and set up issue.
I also think he’s part of the reason why Rashford hasn’t played as well this season. Weghorst and Martial can actually hold the ball and get involved in linking up with Rashford, and they created space for him dropping off the cbs. Rashford’s never really looked as good playing with a cf that wants to get in behind as well.
Jesus christ!
Ten hag is going to be sacked
Why do you make every discussion about the manager?
The club need to think quite carefully about how they want our forward lie to operate.
Typically now you have either two goal scoring wider players with a CF who is adept at linking up and bringing those wide players into game (Mane & Salah with Firmino tying everything together, as probably one of the most impressive three's we've seen), or you have the wider players being more of a creative force, supplying the central striker who is more of goal scorer.
Hojlund isn't a 'tie everything together CF', so will always be the one relying on service from the other attackers. But Rashford and Garnacho are not suppliers - they're wide forwards who want to try and score themselves. Antony is a supplier but is simply unable supply anyone as he doesn't look up to it, Sancho has been pants and isn't here in any case (but fits the stylistic brief needed to get more out of a traditional #9) and Amad has only made his first brief steps into first team football at United (and already looks at least as good as Antony!).
So there's a bit of a puzzle to untangled in terms how the attack is supposed to function coherently. We can't go out and sign a lot of more creative minded wide players due to the extend of the squad building challenges we have, but we might get more change out of signing a CF that is more experienced and offers something different to Hojund through good link up play, dropping in, keeping the ball. Something a bit like what Martial could bring when fit and motivated, or what Alvarez does for City when playing instead of Haaland.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 9 minutes ago
The club need to think quite carefully about how they want our forward lie to operate.
Typically now you have either two goal scoring wider players with a CF who is adept at linking up and bringing those wide players into game (Mane & Salah with Firmino tying everything together, as probably one of the most impressive three's we've seen), or you have the wider players being more of a creative force, supplying the central striker who is more of goal scorer.
Hojlund isn't a 'tie everything together CF', so will always be the one relying on service from the other attackers. But Rashford and Garnacho are not suppliers - they're wide forwards who want to try and score themselves. Antony is a supplier but is simply unable supply anyone as he doesn't look up to it, Sancho has been pants and isn't here in any case (but fits the stylistic brief needed to get more out of a traditional #9) and Amad has only made his first brief steps into first team football at United (and already looks at least as good as Antony!).
So there's a bit of a puzzle to untangled in terms how the attack is supposed to function coherently. We can't go out and sign a lot of more creative minded wide players due to the extend of the squad building challenges we have, but we might get more change out of signing a CF that is more experienced and offers something different to Hojund through good link up play, dropping in, keeping the ball. Something a bit like what Martial could bring when fit and motivated, or what Alvarez does for City when playing instead of Haaland.
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Berba - you were going great guns, until you mentioned Martial
Martial is a better number 9 than Hojlund currently is and also a much better fit for Rashford and Garnacho.
The problem is he's never fit so he's a non event.
We've probably played our best football post Fergie with Martial in the team. That's what's so tragic about it. 😂
I saw someone describe him on twitter as "Weighorst with a purple patch in Feb", which is a fair assessment
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It is not a fair assessment at all. Weghorst has no striker instincts what so ever.
Rasmus on the other hand has, it is just that our other attacking players are unable to make the delivery to match his runs. He showed a lot of this early on in the CL, in which he did very well.
Will he be a top prem striker, who knows it is too early to tell.
I wouldn’t say forward lines typically set up like that, especially when you need to consider that many clubs will have creativity coming from their midfield and, or, fullback(s)/wingback(s).
We’ve got issues with this attack due to our full backs offering fack all going forward, and being massively reliant on Bruno who hasn’t been out his best. Obviously Rashford, Hojlund and Garnacho are just not that good either. But I think you could build a quality attack with better players of their profile if it is complimented by what is behind them. What’s behind them has been a mess all season, so I have some sympathies with their struggles at times this season.
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posted on 13/5/24
Loan out our only striker.
Makes sense.
posted on 13/5/24
I think it is time for Garnacho to step into the middle. He is a young Ronaldo and actually better than Ronaldo was at his age. Why wait until he is older before moving him into the central striker position like Ronaldo did and get the full potential from him right now? Ronaldo got 60 goals a season at Real Madrid, Garnacho could get 70+ at us if played centrally.
posted on 13/5/24
He is very raw. Cannot hold the ball up or dribble past defender. Even his finishing is questionable. Utd definitely need a better striker next season.
I saw someone describe him on twitter as "Weighorst with a purple patch in Feb", which is a fair assessment
posted on 13/5/24
Bring back the wieg Robb
posted on 13/5/24
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 1 minute ago
He is very raw. Cannot hold the ball up or dribble past defender. Even his finishing is questionable. Utd definitely need a better striker next season.
I saw someone describe him on twitter as "Weighorst with a purple patch in Feb", which is a fair assessment
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Hafi dubbed him rapid Weghorst which is much better.
posted on 13/5/24
Loaning him would be daft because we’d then need to sign two strikers. Unfortunately, I think we’ll be persisting with him as the main striker next season given how much work we need to do on the squad, and the lack of striker options available for reasonable fees.
posted on 13/5/24
I want to see a new manager and a new formation.
Go get Ruben Amorim and change to 352. 4231 has become stale and predictable.
With 4/5 sensible signings we could make it work.
posted on 13/5/24
Yeah for his size and physical attributes hes a bit lightweight isnt he. I dont expect him to have given Saliba and Gabriel with rice and partey sat infront of them too much trouble but i expected him to atleast try and put himself about. He was awful, hold up play was poor. The half chance he did get he didnt turn and shoot just waited until it was 4 vs 1. Some sympathy for him in terms of utds refusing to put the ball in the box all game though.
posted on 13/5/24
Recency bias means I want to go and raid crystal palace's entire forward line.
posted on 13/5/24
I would like him to be our main striker next season, but he has regreseed in the second half of this season, like most other players in this Ten Hag system, and is clearly lacking elite managemnet and coaching and also mentoring and assistance from other senior central attackers around him. Basically he clearly isnt ready for leading the line at Man United on his own and under the current manager.
He is one of the many areas of this very, very, poor squad of players that obviously needs better attention with a 'new broom'.
posted on 13/5/24
I think if you had put Hojlund in any other top 8 team, he would have done a lot better - anyone playing up front in our team is going to struggle. Part of the problem lies with the player, who is still young and developing, but the main problem is we don't attack with any real consistency, so it's difficult to know which runs to make etc.
It's also his first season, and he has settled in pretty well in a difficult situation. Of course he need support, but that doesn't mean we laon him up. Given that there is no-one if Hojlund is injured, what do we do if 'the replacement' gets injured?
The issue is both Hojlund and Garnacho are both young, and so you would have hoped Rashford would take responsibility - but he's not that type of player, even though far more experienced, he's not what you would call a 'leader on the pitch'.
I have suggested a Bowen type player, who can play across the front line and also lead by example would be a perfect example to help those 3.
posted on 13/5/24
Hojlund isn't getting a pass or cross. He got better supply at Atalanta. Just go watch those games he played over there.
The manager hasn't got a clue. We are missing defenders, yes, so that kind of excuses some of the goals against but by and large our attackers have all been fit most of the season. None of them have been above a 5 or 6 out of 10. It's a coaching issue. There's just no cohesion with any of them.
posted on 13/5/24
On paper, you look at Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund, Bruno behind them, and you should be thinking, wow, a fair few goals, or even chances created there.
With the right coaching and team set-up, that should be the way, but it's been soooo disappointing this season.
With our defensive issues, you would think we would lose most games 3-2, or draw 2-2 or 3-3, but our goal tally has been so poor.
For whatever reason, ETH has not been able to get the best out of them. As i said before, we need someone to help out up front, but we need a new approach also with a new manager
posted on 13/5/24
Hojlund is the least of your problems.
posted on 13/5/24
So many excuses are made for him. He’s getting outperformed by players like Wood, Adebayo and Wissa. He wouldn’t get in the top eight teams so no point trying to argue what he would do there.
posted on 13/5/24
Hojlund has done OK when you consider his inexperience, and I'd guess that if you looked at output per chances created for him, his first season would be seen in a very positive light. He's adept at getting good quality shots away when he's found in the box - we just don't get the ball to him very often. Then it's tough to get into any kind of scoring rhythm. I generally think he'll be a good acquisition, but it was madness bringing in just one striker, particularly showing no interest when Marcus Thuram was available on a free (and went on to have an impressive first season at Inter).
posted on 13/5/24
comment by Jerry O'Driscoll (U1734)
posted 35 minutes ago
I think it is time for Garnacho to step into the middle. He is a young Ronaldo and actually better than Ronaldo was at his age. Why wait until he is older before moving him into the central striker position like Ronaldo did and get the full potential from him right now? Ronaldo got 60 goals a season at Real Madrid, Garnacho could get 70+ at us if played centrally.
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I quickly skimmed that comment and very nearly Barry'd myself in reply.
posted on 13/5/24
When it's 1 or 2 players who haven't had a good season you can sort of say it's on the players and maybe they aren't ready.
Who has performed well this season in the front 6?
Rashford - Massive regression
Antony - Similar level to last year. Dross.
Garnacho - works hard. Output not great
Sancho - Frozen out
Amad - Barely played
Bruno - Had a very poor yr. Improved a bit at the end.
Martial - Invisible man
When your entire front line is not playing well it's a coaching and set up issue.
posted on 13/5/24
I also think he’s part of the reason why Rashford hasn’t played as well this season. Weghorst and Martial can actually hold the ball and get involved in linking up with Rashford, and they created space for him dropping off the cbs. Rashford’s never really looked as good playing with a cf that wants to get in behind as well.
posted on 13/5/24
Jesus christ!
Ten hag is going to be sacked
Why do you make every discussion about the manager?
posted on 13/5/24
The club need to think quite carefully about how they want our forward lie to operate.
Typically now you have either two goal scoring wider players with a CF who is adept at linking up and bringing those wide players into game (Mane & Salah with Firmino tying everything together, as probably one of the most impressive three's we've seen), or you have the wider players being more of a creative force, supplying the central striker who is more of goal scorer.
Hojlund isn't a 'tie everything together CF', so will always be the one relying on service from the other attackers. But Rashford and Garnacho are not suppliers - they're wide forwards who want to try and score themselves. Antony is a supplier but is simply unable supply anyone as he doesn't look up to it, Sancho has been pants and isn't here in any case (but fits the stylistic brief needed to get more out of a traditional #9) and Amad has only made his first brief steps into first team football at United (and already looks at least as good as Antony!).
So there's a bit of a puzzle to untangled in terms how the attack is supposed to function coherently. We can't go out and sign a lot of more creative minded wide players due to the extend of the squad building challenges we have, but we might get more change out of signing a CF that is more experienced and offers something different to Hojund through good link up play, dropping in, keeping the ball. Something a bit like what Martial could bring when fit and motivated, or what Alvarez does for City when playing instead of Haaland.
posted on 13/5/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 9 minutes ago
The club need to think quite carefully about how they want our forward lie to operate.
Typically now you have either two goal scoring wider players with a CF who is adept at linking up and bringing those wide players into game (Mane & Salah with Firmino tying everything together, as probably one of the most impressive three's we've seen), or you have the wider players being more of a creative force, supplying the central striker who is more of goal scorer.
Hojlund isn't a 'tie everything together CF', so will always be the one relying on service from the other attackers. But Rashford and Garnacho are not suppliers - they're wide forwards who want to try and score themselves. Antony is a supplier but is simply unable supply anyone as he doesn't look up to it, Sancho has been pants and isn't here in any case (but fits the stylistic brief needed to get more out of a traditional #9) and Amad has only made his first brief steps into first team football at United (and already looks at least as good as Antony!).
So there's a bit of a puzzle to untangled in terms how the attack is supposed to function coherently. We can't go out and sign a lot of more creative minded wide players due to the extend of the squad building challenges we have, but we might get more change out of signing a CF that is more experienced and offers something different to Hojund through good link up play, dropping in, keeping the ball. Something a bit like what Martial could bring when fit and motivated, or what Alvarez does for City when playing instead of Haaland.
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Berba - you were going great guns, until you mentioned Martial
posted on 13/5/24
Martial is a better number 9 than Hojlund currently is and also a much better fit for Rashford and Garnacho.
The problem is he's never fit so he's a non event.
We've probably played our best football post Fergie with Martial in the team. That's what's so tragic about it. 😂
posted on 13/5/24
I saw someone describe him on twitter as "Weighorst with a purple patch in Feb", which is a fair assessment
.........................
It is not a fair assessment at all. Weghorst has no striker instincts what so ever.
Rasmus on the other hand has, it is just that our other attacking players are unable to make the delivery to match his runs. He showed a lot of this early on in the CL, in which he did very well.
Will he be a top prem striker, who knows it is too early to tell.
posted on 13/5/24
I wouldn’t say forward lines typically set up like that, especially when you need to consider that many clubs will have creativity coming from their midfield and, or, fullback(s)/wingback(s).
We’ve got issues with this attack due to our full backs offering fack all going forward, and being massively reliant on Bruno who hasn’t been out his best. Obviously Rashford, Hojlund and Garnacho are just not that good either. But I think you could build a quality attack with better players of their profile if it is complimented by what is behind them. What’s behind them has been a mess all season, so I have some sympathies with their struggles at times this season.
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