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Is Football Boring / Time for changes ?

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posted on 20/5/24

Hogwash, you carry on watching your Netball or whatever you call it, if thats your thing !

posted on 20/5/24

The problem with salary caps and most financial restrictions is that they have to be imposed by UEFA rather than the Prem, otherwise all the top players just move abroad.

UEFA have got involved in this to a degree with FFP, but they cannot and never will be able to restrict Real Madrid to spending the same amount as AEK Larnaca for a truly level playing field. The US does not have that same external pressure on their mainstream sports and so it becomes far easier for them to implement and control.

UEFA actually caused leagues to become haves and have nots as the prize money of CL football ensured great disparity amongst sides in the smaller leagues who would have one CL participant asset strip any would be challenger.

The single biggest thing that would benefit the Prem would be for another league to rival it in terms of popularity and finance, the top players would move more often and the Prem would weaken naturally to a sustainable level

posted on 20/5/24

Relegation has to stay.

VAR is needed but can be improved. Stick with it. Did the ref or lino even see Soucek's handball yday?

GOALS - Record number of goals but you haven't enjoyed it? Abit weird. First time in years we had a three horse race for the majority of the season. Maybe try Ice hockey or american rounders then?

Salary caps are interesting but the prem is not a franchise so it will never be equal for all and nor should it be. If Salary was capped at 75% of total revenue that would be a good compromise.

posted on 20/5/24

VAR is the only thing that needs fixing, football primarily became a business in 1981 when Spurs became a PLC and that set the tone for the next 40+ years

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
VAR is the only thing that needs fixing, football primarily became a business in 1981 when Spurs became a PLC and that set the tone for the next 40+ years
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😂😂😂

posted on 20/5/24

???? What’s wrong with what I said?

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
???? What’s wrong with what I said?
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Linking us becoming a PLC to VAR 40 years on.

Sky are the reason the game is in the state it is in.

posted on 20/5/24

For me it's not has football become boring it's has it become tainted?

No proper football fan is gonna give any credit to a team that keeps winning things with 115 potential FFP charges hanging over it.

Had Forest or Everton gone down then won further appeals can you imagine the mess? Then there’s the are Chelsea being charged, is Pacqueta now in the clear, will Leicester have a deduction to deal with next season....etc questions?

All that and armpit offsides, there's alot that needs sorting.

posted on 20/5/24

Personally I wouldn’t give a shiny shiiiite if all the best players left the prem. Most of them overrated overhyped anyway. I’d rather it all roll back a few decades to be honest. I’d still be just as passionate following spurs

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
???? What’s wrong with what I said?
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Linking us becoming a PLC to VAR 40 years on.

Sky are the reason the game is in the state it is in.
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I wasn’t linking you to VAR

I was making 2 entirely separate points on the same comment

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Luka Brasi (U22178)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
???? What’s wrong with what I said?
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Linking us becoming a PLC to VAR 40 years on.

Sky are the reason the game is in the state it is in.
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I wasn’t linking you to VAR

I was making 2 entirely separate points on the same comment
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It reads as if you are implying VAR needs fixing because football is a business lol

posted on 20/5/24

RELEGATION...... Same three down that came up, will next season be any different.... doubtful... so what's the point.
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This is the first time since 98 that all three promoted teams have been relegated.

Are you seriously in favour of getting rid of relegation because of your incorrect assumptions, or have I misread what you mean by saying ‘what’s the point?’

posted on 20/5/24

I’m sure I read that all 3 promoted clubs going down has happened a lot less frequently than all 3 staying up

posted on 20/5/24

Anyone who has any business acumen and financial knowledge knows it is totally unsustainable if you are spending 75% of your turnover on wages.

Most companies operate on a wages to turnover % somewhere in the 30-40’s %.

If a company spends 75% of its turnover in the commercial market place there is a very strong likelihood they would be heading for insolvency and administration.

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 39 seconds ago
I’m sure I read that all 3 promoted clubs going down has happened a lot less frequently than all 3 staying up
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I think the average is more or less 2 of the 3 drop

posted on 20/5/24

The relegation battle was pretty dull this year. Remember 2004/2005, that was immense!

posted on 20/5/24

It was also a bit of a special year for relegation. Burnley and Sheff U lost half the players that got them promotion because they were only ever on loan - now there’s something that should change, how is that right that they get an advantage like that in the Championship and are then immediately weakened when they come up.

Luton coming up was a bit of a fairytale, they actually outperformed what I think most people thought they would do - but promotion was far too soon for them.

Next year will be much more competitive - wouldn’t be surprised if 2 of the 3 stayed up

posted on 20/5/24

comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
The relegation battle was pretty dull this year. Remember 2004/2005, that was immense!
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Was that when West Brom went into the final game bottom of the league and somehow finished 4th bottom by full time?

posted on 20/5/24

comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 30 seconds ago
The relegation battle was pretty dull this year. Remember 2004/2005, that was immense!
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To me... the only thing that has made relegation interesting in the past few years has been points deductions and Everton's self inflicted clusterf8ck

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
RELEGATION...... Same three down that came up, will next season be any different.... doubtful... so what's the point.
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This is the first time since 98 that all three promoted teams have been relegated.

Are you seriously in favour of getting rid of relegation because of your incorrect assumptions, or have I misread what you mean by saying ‘what’s the point?’
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Was suggesting getting rid of it. Im just saying its boring. A fairer playing field would see changes in the names at the top and bottom and make it more interesting. These days it just feels like having good/ wealthy owners is more important than a decent manager/ good CB or center forward.....

posted on 20/5/24

Just read this in the Gurdian..... Kinda sums up what Im getting at........

The PL.......It’s not been a great year for Brand Premier League, the supposed best league in the world, where just about everyone is perpetually angry or miserable. Who’s happy? Manchester City, of course. Villa, sure. But elsewhere? Liverpool rage about kick-off times. Wolves are furious about VAR. Forest are mad about that too but also about their PSR-induced points deduction. Everton see your points deduction and raise you a takeover saga that has rumbled on without resolution. Sheffield United have had a season so dismal that they may never want to get promoted again. On it goes, the whole thing infused with a sense of dissatisfaction, as clubs grasp for direction (Chelsea, Manchester United) or bump their heads against the glass ceiling and wonder what the point of it all is (Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham). And everyone is paying more (soon to be even more) for a reduced spectacle, dulled by the dread hand of VAR. Speaking of which, on a governance level, things have been even more lamentable: the ongoing row with the EFL over a financial settlement, the opposition to the football regulator, the scrapping of FA Cup replays … at every turn the Premier League leaned towards favouring the few over the many. Which is, of course, the whole idea. It’s not that the mask has slipped (let’s be honest, what mask?) and this season it has felt at times like we’re approaching a watershed, the moment where the naked avarice just becomes a bit too much.

PROMOTED TEAMS........Major caveats apply here. The gap between the Championship and the top flight feels ever wider and the cash injection required just to compete is increasingly ludicrous. For the most part, it’s not Burnley’s, Sheffield United’s or Luton’s fault. But still, it’s the first time since 1997-98 that all three promoted sides have been immediately relegated and, more than that, it’s never really been in doubt.

Burnley, who came in on the back of a 101-point title win with eyes on mid-table safety, quickly slipped into the relegation zone and never got back out. Sheffield United sold their best players, hit the bottom in mid-September and stayed there – save for a couple of weeks at the dizzying heights of 18th when Everton’s points deduction kicked in. The Blades racked up a Premier League record of 104 goals conceded: the worst defensive record in the English top flight since Ipswich in 1963-64.


Luton perhaps deserve to sit separately from their yo-yoing peers – at least they threatened at times to buck expectations – but they were still in the bottom three for two-thirds of the season. In truth, Everton and Forest should be grateful: they could not have chosen a better season to pick up their points deductions.


posted on 20/5/24

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just read this in the Gurdian..... Kinda sums up what Im getting at........

The PL.......It’s not been a great year for Brand Premier League, the supposed best league in the world, where just about everyone is perpetually angry or miserable. Who’s happy? Manchester City, of course. Villa, sure. But elsewhere? Liverpool rage about kick-off times. Wolves are furious about VAR. Forest are mad about that too but also about their PSR-induced points deduction. Everton see your points deduction and raise you a takeover saga that has rumbled on without resolution. Sheffield United have had a season so dismal that they may never want to get promoted again. On it goes, the whole thing infused with a sense of dissatisfaction, as clubs grasp for direction (Chelsea, Manchester United) or bump their heads against the glass ceiling and wonder what the point of it all is (Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham). And everyone is paying more (soon to be even more) for a reduced spectacle, dulled by the dread hand of VAR. Speaking of which, on a governance level, things have been even more lamentable: the ongoing row with the EFL over a financial settlement, the opposition to the football regulator, the scrapping of FA Cup replays … at every turn the Premier League leaned towards favouring the few over the many. Which is, of course, the whole idea. It’s not that the mask has slipped (let’s be honest, what mask?) and this season it has felt at times like we’re approaching a watershed, the moment where the naked avarice just becomes a bit too much.

PROMOTED TEAMS........Major caveats apply here. The gap between the Championship and the top flight feels ever wider and the cash injection required just to compete is increasingly ludicrous. For the most part, it’s not Burnley’s, Sheffield United’s or Luton’s fault. But still, it’s the first time since 1997-98 that all three promoted sides have been immediately relegated and, more than that, it’s never really been in doubt.

Burnley, who came in on the back of a 101-point title win with eyes on mid-table safety, quickly slipped into the relegation zone and never got back out. Sheffield United sold their best players, hit the bottom in mid-September and stayed there – save for a couple of weeks at the dizzying heights of 18th when Everton’s points deduction kicked in. The Blades racked up a Premier League record of 104 goals conceded: the worst defensive record in the English top flight since Ipswich in 1963-64.


Luton perhaps deserve to sit separately from their yo-yoing peers – at least they threatened at times to buck expectations – but they were still in the bottom three for two-thirds of the season. In truth, Everton and Forest should be grateful: they could not have chosen a better season to pick up their points deductions.



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There’s always things to pick at. FFP is a step in the right direction but people have to be patient.

One change I would like to see is the scrapping of Friday and Monday night games. They are pure shiete and it diminishes the product for me. Keep it all to Saturdays and Sundays and stagger the kick off times. Televised Prem games at 12, 3, 530, 8 on a Saturday and 12, 2, 430 on a Sunday - would even entertain a Sunday night kick off. Just stop playing on Monday and Friday nights, it sucks

posted on 20/5/24

comment by Striketeam7 - Laughing at Arsenals nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 32 minutes ago
It was also a bit of a special year for relegation. Burnley and Sheff U lost half the players that got them promotion because they were only ever on loan - now there’s something that should change, how is that right that they get an advantage like that in the Championship and are then immediately weakened when they come up.

Luton coming up was a bit of a fairytale, they actually outperformed what I think most people thought they would do - but promotion was far too soon for them.

Next year will be much more competitive - wouldn’t be surprised if 2 of the 3 stayed up
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pretty on the ball park imo

posted on 20/5/24

I think you lost everyone the moment you said to ditch relegation. If you think that's sensible then no one is going to pay any attention to anything else.

Nothing has really changed apart from City's dominance. For the first time ever in the Premier League you have a wealthy club able to spend, a backroom staff as efficient as Brighton and a manager considered to be the best of all time. Since Pep came in, they haven't really outspent anyone. Are they currently spending beyond Arsenal, Chelsea and United? I don't think so. It's just unfortunate for everyone else that they have a premium ship running superbly. Usually there are tactical issues based on poor manager instruction, recruitment issues behind the scenes or confused philosophies slowing down progress but not at City. Everything is perfectly run. It's not all down to doping. They're not spending any more than the rest of the 'top six'.

Football goes in cycles and it will come to an end at some point, likely when Pepe leaves. Then I think the league will become more competitive and fun to watch again.

To your other points, you have to consider the Premier League brand. PSR in and of itself is kind of an act of self-sabotage because if the Premier League clubs introduce a restricted spending model, teams like Madrid and Barca will naturally take their place as the richest clubs in the world because La Liga's tv revenue model gives then a hefty chunk. Those in charge of our league want to introduce controls but not so much that they lose their place as the dominant league on the world stage. It's a difficult balancing act.

posted on 20/5/24

comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 53 minutes ago
Anyone who has any business acumen and financial knowledge knows it is totally unsustainable if you are spending 75% of your turnover on wages.

Most companies operate on a wages to turnover % somewhere in the 30-40’s %.

If a company spends 75% of its turnover in the commercial market place there is a very strong likelihood they would be heading for insolvency and administration.
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For the 2022/23 season, 10 clubs had a ratio of 75% or more and 10 clubs were under. Football is an anomaly due to the different revenue streams and TV money.

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