comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
Yes other teams suffer from poor officiating too, yes some are likely suffering from corruption too but we suffer 9/10 weeks. The PGMOL has been corrupt for decades if you don't see that you've probably been benefitting from it or don't get screwed on a weekly basis.
This same thing could be happening to other clubs in the PL but I don't have time to watch 90 minutes of 10 fixtures every weekend.
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comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
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All the best then. Enjoy being facked in the ass for another 20 years.
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Doesn't have to be the case if the Arsenal fans make a statement to the Premier League about it for the country and media to see and take note of.
Specifically what this article was about in the first place until all the children showed up. Guess it is nearly the end of summer holidays and back to school for a bunch of them though so makes sense
Some of our fans have gone so numb on this too as they've been slowly brainwashed into thinking it's just something we have to put up with because we're Arsenal.
"It’s fine that people hate us. It’s part of our history" - George Graham
Yes it's fine, we can live with that. Just not when it's the match officials.
Oh and you should be against corruption because it has destroyed the game we love for too long - or maybe you don't really - if being petty on the internet is more important than standing up against what is wrong in life anon?
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comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
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All the best then. Enjoy being facked in the ass for another 20 years.
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Doesn't have to be the case if the Arsenal fans make a statement to the Premier League about it for the country and media to see and take note of.
Specifically what this article was about in the first place until all the children showed up. Guess it is nearly the end of summer holidays and back to school for a bunch of them though so makes sense
Some of our fans have gone so numb on this too as they've been slowly brainwashed into thinking it's just something we have to put up with because we're Arsenal.
"It’s fine that people hate us. It’s part of our history" - George Graham
Yes it's fine, we can live with that. Just not when it's the match officials.
Oh and you should be against corruption because it has destroyed the game we love for too long - or maybe you don't really - if being petty on the internet is more important than standing up against what is wrong in life anon?
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Your club have already made a statement to the premier league acouple of years ago, and yet here we are hearing the sane whining from Arsenal fans still. What makes you think a statement from the fans would make any more difference? You already have Ty on AFTV publicly bemoaning a Ryan babel decision from a lifetime ago on practically every interview he's done in the last 4 years.
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comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
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All the best then. Enjoy being facked in the ass for another 20 years.
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Doesn't have to be the case if the Arsenal fans make a statement to the Premier League about it for the country and media to see and take note of.
Specifically what this article was about in the first place until all the children showed up. Guess it is nearly the end of summer holidays and back to school for a bunch of them though so makes sense
Some of our fans have gone so numb on this too as they've been slowly brainwashed into thinking it's just something we have to put up with because we're Arsenal.
"It’s fine that people hate us. It’s part of our history" - George Graham
Yes it's fine, we can live with that. Just not when it's the match officials.
Oh and you should be against corruption because it has destroyed the game we love for too long - or maybe you don't really - if being petty on the internet is more important than standing up against what is wrong in life anon?
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Funny thing is you're being petty and precious about this. Arsenal fans won't do fack all and won't get anywhere with the rest of the football fandom pointing and laughing at them for protesting. They won't take anyone seriously until there is consensus and unity amongst fans, like with the Super League affair, where they had to backpedal as quick as they could because they saw unity and togetherness from from fans overcoming the traditional rivalries.
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
It’s amazing that every single bad or debatable decision goes against Arsenal.
No other team ever suffers.
So amazing that it almost seems made up by an immature, biased football fan.
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I don't think anyone has said that here. I think they've either bemoaned the decision that happened for us or it's been opposition fans making fun of us.
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You might want to read the article you’re on, as that’s what my comment is aimed at.
At one point in the game Brighton had 81% possession and Arsenal 19%. This is a worry especially as we still had 10 players on the field. But even then we created chances to win the game but failed to take.The ref was extremely poor but we should have won the game
VAR 1: “Sh*t, did you see that? Veltman’s just booted him in the leg!”
VAR 2: “Clear red. Completely lost his head.”
VAR 1: “Absolutely. Hello Chris? Red card for Declan Rice.”
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 7 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
Yes other teams suffer from poor officiating too, yes some are likely suffering from corruption too but we suffer 9/10 weeks. The PGMOL has been corrupt for decades if you don't see that you've probably been benefitting from it or don't get screwed on a weekly basis.
This same thing could be happening to other clubs in the PL but I don't have time to watch 90 minutes of 10 fixtures every weekend.
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So if other team also suffer poor decisions then it isn't corruption, it's just incometance. Stop being such a cry baby
Rice, on a yellow, deliberately kicked the ball away. He's an idiot and you should be mad at him foe doing this.
What's funny is that bit was Rice so the media response is sympathy and disbelief. If it was less of a golden boy like, like a Richarlison then the narrative would be "petulance and stupidity"
Get over it and stop trying to prove the widely held opinion that Arsenal have the whiniest fans who are mad in the image of their manager.
I am all for calling out incompetent refereeing.
Unfortunately, we are in a situation where the police can't be policed, and criticism is condemned in the same manner as criticism of a dictator within a cult.
However therein lies the problem - there are too many fans entrenched within their cuts to stop short of going down conspiracy rabbit holes, leading to online abuse and, in the case of Anthony Taylor, in person abuse. This then leads to attention going off subject because the fans don't seem to know how to avoid taking it too far.
Therefore, this article does little to direct the attention where it's supposed to be because it insists on going down the conspiracy rabbit hole and therefore will not be taken seriously.
I wonder what the Prime minister thought of the decision.
We don't even need the conspiracy theories. The levels of blatant, negligent and inexplicably incompetent decisions alone should be enough to at least force a change in the way the organisation responsible for officiating in this country goes about it's business.
Disband the PGMOL and put to pasture anyone associated with it. They're dinosaurs really. Time for a new approach, open minds and new ideas IMO.
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
In future all refs reffing Arsenal games should come from Finsbury Park at the very least
But but but.....
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13037126/im-amazed-it-wasnt-given-martin-odegaard-escapes-punishment-after-handball
Its swings and round abouts but goooons like to think it's all against them .
If Rice kicked the ball away and got carded why didnt Jao Pedro who booted the ball away in frustration
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 44 minutes ago
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
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Oh okay. So it’s corruption against teams in the south of England?
Just establishing who’s organising the corruption and who’s affected.
Look forward to Arsenal fans confirming that there’s a conspiracy against Spurs as well.
The ref will surely have to justify why he didn't book Joao Pedro for larruping the ball 50 yards after it went dead to stop Arsenal restarting the game.
He will also have to explain how a player is allowed to take a free-kick 10 yards forward from a "foul" with a rolling ball. The ref should have stopped Veltman advancing so far in the first place. Rice was 10 yards from where the free kick should have been taken with his back to Veltman and still walking away. He will also have to answer why he felt Veltmans clear act of aggression wasn't even a booking. Absolutely shocking call from the ref, so much wrong in one incident.
It's inflexibility in allowing referees to think on their feet is the main problem for me. Given that Pedro wasn't given a yellow in the first half if he doesn't already know about that mistake it should of been communicated to him at half time. When that situation arose in the second half that incident in the first half should be at the front of his mind and the thought should be if I don't give a card for the first one I can't possibly give a card for that. If you take a more sinister view then the evidence in that game is there for all to see Saka blantly pulled back in the first five minutes no card. Partey does something similar near half time and gets a card. Then you have the double standard for the main flash point at the very least it does give some food for thought.
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
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That was the main issue but the referee was incredibly poor all game. As it's been mentioned above it wasn't a definate second yellow card the ball was not stationary when the Brighton player tried to take said free kick and he stole about ten yards from where it should of been taken so the PGMOL excuse of it stopped the game from being started is nonsense the Brighton player did that by not taking it from the right place and ensuring the ball was stationary at the point of trying to restart the game.
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comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
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That was the main issue but the referee was incredibly poor all game. As it's been mentioned above it wasn't a definate second yellow card the ball was not stationary when the Brighton player tried to take said free kick and he stole about ten yards from where it should of been taken so the PGMOL excuse of it stopped the game from being started is nonsense the Brighton player did that by not taking it from the right place and ensuring the ball was stationary at the point of trying to restart the game.
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ah, i get that then. ball was moving but its still not rices job to decide anything so refs still in the right imo it was silly from Rice esp on a yellow. PGMOL showing their incompetence again though
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comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
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That was the main issue but the referee was incredibly poor all game. As it's been mentioned above it wasn't a definate second yellow card the ball was not stationary when the Brighton player tried to take said free kick and he stole about ten yards from where it should of been taken so the PGMOL excuse of it stopped the game from being started is nonsense the Brighton player did that by not taking it from the right place and ensuring the ball was stationary at the point of trying to restart the game.
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ah, i get that then. ball was moving but its still not rices job to decide anything so refs still in the right imo it was silly from Rice esp on a yellow. PGMOL showing their incompetence again though
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I would understand if Rice had picked up the ball or kicked it 20 yards away but in this case Rice had turned around and started to withdraw back into position he wasn't even facing the ball and the fact the Brighton player wasn't even booked for kicking him up in the air made it even worse I mean you've seen players sent off for doing less.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
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Arsenal fans can't escape this mentality where they are hard done by more than anyone else. The refs from Greater Manchester are the worst though.
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
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Arsenal fans can't escape this mentality where they are hard done by more than anyone else. The refs from Greater Manchester are the worst though.
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With respect sitting there in the stands yesterday watching it did feel like there was two tier officiating going on. I'm sure that will happen at a number games this weekend and countless matches in the future though.
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posted on 1/9/24
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
Yes other teams suffer from poor officiating too, yes some are likely suffering from corruption too but we suffer 9/10 weeks. The PGMOL has been corrupt for decades if you don't see that you've probably been benefitting from it or don't get screwed on a weekly basis.
This same thing could be happening to other clubs in the PL but I don't have time to watch 90 minutes of 10 fixtures every weekend.
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posted on 1/9/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
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All the best then. Enjoy being facked in the ass for another 20 years.
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Doesn't have to be the case if the Arsenal fans make a statement to the Premier League about it for the country and media to see and take note of.
Specifically what this article was about in the first place until all the children showed up. Guess it is nearly the end of summer holidays and back to school for a bunch of them though so makes sense
Some of our fans have gone so numb on this too as they've been slowly brainwashed into thinking it's just something we have to put up with because we're Arsenal.
"It’s fine that people hate us. It’s part of our history" - George Graham
Yes it's fine, we can live with that. Just not when it's the match officials.
Oh and you should be against corruption because it has destroyed the game we love for too long - or maybe you don't really - if being petty on the internet is more important than standing up against what is wrong in life anon?
posted on 1/9/24
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
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All the best then. Enjoy being facked in the ass for another 20 years.
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Doesn't have to be the case if the Arsenal fans make a statement to the Premier League about it for the country and media to see and take note of.
Specifically what this article was about in the first place until all the children showed up. Guess it is nearly the end of summer holidays and back to school for a bunch of them though so makes sense
Some of our fans have gone so numb on this too as they've been slowly brainwashed into thinking it's just something we have to put up with because we're Arsenal.
"It’s fine that people hate us. It’s part of our history" - George Graham
Yes it's fine, we can live with that. Just not when it's the match officials.
Oh and you should be against corruption because it has destroyed the game we love for too long - or maybe you don't really - if being petty on the internet is more important than standing up against what is wrong in life anon?
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Your club have already made a statement to the premier league acouple of years ago, and yet here we are hearing the sane whining from Arsenal fans still. What makes you think a statement from the fans would make any more difference? You already have Ty on AFTV publicly bemoaning a Ryan babel decision from a lifetime ago on practically every interview he's done in the last 4 years.
posted on 1/9/24
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
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All the best then. Enjoy being facked in the ass for another 20 years.
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Doesn't have to be the case if the Arsenal fans make a statement to the Premier League about it for the country and media to see and take note of.
Specifically what this article was about in the first place until all the children showed up. Guess it is nearly the end of summer holidays and back to school for a bunch of them though so makes sense
Some of our fans have gone so numb on this too as they've been slowly brainwashed into thinking it's just something we have to put up with because we're Arsenal.
"It’s fine that people hate us. It’s part of our history" - George Graham
Yes it's fine, we can live with that. Just not when it's the match officials.
Oh and you should be against corruption because it has destroyed the game we love for too long - or maybe you don't really - if being petty on the internet is more important than standing up against what is wrong in life anon?
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Funny thing is you're being petty and precious about this. Arsenal fans won't do fack all and won't get anywhere with the rest of the football fandom pointing and laughing at them for protesting. They won't take anyone seriously until there is consensus and unity amongst fans, like with the Super League affair, where they had to backpedal as quick as they could because they saw unity and togetherness from from fans overcoming the traditional rivalries.
posted on 1/9/24
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
It’s amazing that every single bad or debatable decision goes against Arsenal.
No other team ever suffers.
So amazing that it almost seems made up by an immature, biased football fan.
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I don't think anyone has said that here. I think they've either bemoaned the decision that happened for us or it's been opposition fans making fun of us.
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You might want to read the article you’re on, as that’s what my comment is aimed at.
posted on 1/9/24
At one point in the game Brighton had 81% possession and Arsenal 19%. This is a worry especially as we still had 10 players on the field. But even then we created chances to win the game but failed to take.The ref was extremely poor but we should have won the game
posted on 1/9/24
VAR 1: “Sh*t, did you see that? Veltman’s just booted him in the leg!”
VAR 2: “Clear red. Completely lost his head.”
VAR 1: “Absolutely. Hello Chris? Red card for Declan Rice.”
posted on 1/9/24
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 7 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
I have issues with the refs too but you've made your article about Arsenal alone and that makes it hard for fans of other clubs to get on board. Club rivalries would never allow football fans to do something together to get the PGMOL disbanded. We need to put away the rivalries for this issue and get the PGMOL disbanded, for all of our sakes.
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I don't need other fans to get behind it. I don't need their approval, I didn't invite them to this topic. This is on the Arsenal board for Arsenal fans specifically about Arsenal.
Yes other teams suffer from poor officiating too, yes some are likely suffering from corruption too but we suffer 9/10 weeks. The PGMOL has been corrupt for decades if you don't see that you've probably been benefitting from it or don't get screwed on a weekly basis.
This same thing could be happening to other clubs in the PL but I don't have time to watch 90 minutes of 10 fixtures every weekend.
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So if other team also suffer poor decisions then it isn't corruption, it's just incometance. Stop being such a cry baby
Rice, on a yellow, deliberately kicked the ball away. He's an idiot and you should be mad at him foe doing this.
What's funny is that bit was Rice so the media response is sympathy and disbelief. If it was less of a golden boy like, like a Richarlison then the narrative would be "petulance and stupidity"
Get over it and stop trying to prove the widely held opinion that Arsenal have the whiniest fans who are mad in the image of their manager.
posted on 1/9/24
I am all for calling out incompetent refereeing.
Unfortunately, we are in a situation where the police can't be policed, and criticism is condemned in the same manner as criticism of a dictator within a cult.
However therein lies the problem - there are too many fans entrenched within their cuts to stop short of going down conspiracy rabbit holes, leading to online abuse and, in the case of Anthony Taylor, in person abuse. This then leads to attention going off subject because the fans don't seem to know how to avoid taking it too far.
Therefore, this article does little to direct the attention where it's supposed to be because it insists on going down the conspiracy rabbit hole and therefore will not be taken seriously.
posted on 1/9/24
I wonder what the Prime minister thought of the decision.
posted on 1/9/24
We don't even need the conspiracy theories. The levels of blatant, negligent and inexplicably incompetent decisions alone should be enough to at least force a change in the way the organisation responsible for officiating in this country goes about it's business.
Disband the PGMOL and put to pasture anyone associated with it. They're dinosaurs really. Time for a new approach, open minds and new ideas IMO.
posted on 1/9/24
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
posted on 1/9/24
In future all refs reffing Arsenal games should come from Finsbury Park at the very least
posted on 1/9/24
But but but.....
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13037126/im-amazed-it-wasnt-given-martin-odegaard-escapes-punishment-after-handball
Its swings and round abouts but goooons like to think it's all against them .
posted on 1/9/24
If Rice kicked the ball away and got carded why didnt Jao Pedro who booted the ball away in frustration
posted on 1/9/24
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 44 minutes ago
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
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Oh okay. So it’s corruption against teams in the south of England?
Just establishing who’s organising the corruption and who’s affected.
Look forward to Arsenal fans confirming that there’s a conspiracy against Spurs as well.
posted on 1/9/24
The ref will surely have to justify why he didn't book Joao Pedro for larruping the ball 50 yards after it went dead to stop Arsenal restarting the game.
He will also have to explain how a player is allowed to take a free-kick 10 yards forward from a "foul" with a rolling ball. The ref should have stopped Veltman advancing so far in the first place. Rice was 10 yards from where the free kick should have been taken with his back to Veltman and still walking away. He will also have to answer why he felt Veltmans clear act of aggression wasn't even a booking. Absolutely shocking call from the ref, so much wrong in one incident.
posted on 1/9/24
It's inflexibility in allowing referees to think on their feet is the main problem for me. Given that Pedro wasn't given a yellow in the first half if he doesn't already know about that mistake it should of been communicated to him at half time. When that situation arose in the second half that incident in the first half should be at the front of his mind and the thought should be if I don't give a card for the first one I can't possibly give a card for that. If you take a more sinister view then the evidence in that game is there for all to see Saka blantly pulled back in the first five minutes no card. Partey does something similar near half time and gets a card. Then you have the double standard for the main flash point at the very least it does give some food for thought.
posted on 1/9/24
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
posted on 1/9/24
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
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That was the main issue but the referee was incredibly poor all game. As it's been mentioned above it wasn't a definate second yellow card the ball was not stationary when the Brighton player tried to take said free kick and he stole about ten yards from where it should of been taken so the PGMOL excuse of it stopped the game from being started is nonsense the Brighton player did that by not taking it from the right place and ensuring the ball was stationary at the point of trying to restart the game.
posted on 1/9/24
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
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That was the main issue but the referee was incredibly poor all game. As it's been mentioned above it wasn't a definate second yellow card the ball was not stationary when the Brighton player tried to take said free kick and he stole about ten yards from where it should of been taken so the PGMOL excuse of it stopped the game from being started is nonsense the Brighton player did that by not taking it from the right place and ensuring the ball was stationary at the point of trying to restart the game.
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ah, i get that then. ball was moving but its still not rices job to decide anything so refs still in the right imo it was silly from Rice esp on a yellow. PGMOL showing their incompetence again though
posted on 1/9/24
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
is this all from just Rices moment of stupidity? it was a 2nd yellow all day long. i didnt watch the match so dno what else happened but for this was 100% correct.
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That was the main issue but the referee was incredibly poor all game. As it's been mentioned above it wasn't a definate second yellow card the ball was not stationary when the Brighton player tried to take said free kick and he stole about ten yards from where it should of been taken so the PGMOL excuse of it stopped the game from being started is nonsense the Brighton player did that by not taking it from the right place and ensuring the ball was stationary at the point of trying to restart the game.
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ah, i get that then. ball was moving but its still not rices job to decide anything so refs still in the right imo it was silly from Rice esp on a yellow. PGMOL showing their incompetence again though
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I would understand if Rice had picked up the ball or kicked it 20 yards away but in this case Rice had turned around and started to withdraw back into position he wasn't even facing the ball and the fact the Brighton player wasn't even booked for kicking him up in the air made it even worse I mean you've seen players sent off for doing less.
posted on 1/9/24
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
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Arsenal fans can't escape this mentality where they are hard done by more than anyone else. The refs from Greater Manchester are the worst though.
posted on 1/9/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Arsenal do seem to suffer ever more bizarre refereeing decisions that, quite often, have an adverse outcome on results for us. These decisions don't always manifest as the team being reduced to 10 men, or having ridiculous goals allowed against us. Often it's more subtle, more insidious than that.
Whilst I'm aware rival fans will say this thinking is paranoia, and call us conspiracy theorists, what cannot be denied is:
'Chris Kavanagh (born 4 September 1985) is an English professional football referee from Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester.'
And Kavanagh is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a disproportionate amount of referees from the north influencing the outcome of PL matches. And not addressing this is another failing of the PGMOL.
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Arsenal fans can't escape this mentality where they are hard done by more than anyone else. The refs from Greater Manchester are the worst though.
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With respect sitting there in the stands yesterday watching it did feel like there was two tier officiating going on. I'm sure that will happen at a number games this weekend and countless matches in the future though.
posted on 1/9/24
2 tier refereeing
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