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Any patience left for Rashford?

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posted on 1/9/24

For me this should be his last season to make a claim for a longer stay. If he underwhelms as he has the past season or two we should let him go. Hopefully he does step up though as he’s very important when in form.

posted on 1/9/24

None whatsoever. I think it’s been clear for several years that he’s not consistent enough to be reliable. He should be an impact sub, but we’ve priced him out of that role and would do better trying to move him on.

He has moments of brilliance - the pass to Garnacho in the FA Cup final for example - but it’s not enough. He wastes a lot of chances.

My biggest concern is his senior position within the squad is influencing our play. We’ve more talent on the right in Amad, but the vast majority of our build up play goes down the left and into a brick wall through Rashford.

posted on 1/9/24

Obviously he's starting to look like one of the weaker links in the first XI. I don't think he's been too bad at the start if this season, compared to last. Working harder off the ball, looking a bit sharper, but still not confident in front of goal.

I'll never hate him the way some of our fans seem to for not being up to standard. He's already given us so much, often during otherwise depressing times. And I think he suffered from years of poor coaching (and overplaying through injuries) when in a different timeline he'd have been developed into a wide forward who fits perfectly into a possession based, pressing side.

posted on 1/9/24

He’s never been a consistently solid performer though and has relied on having purple patches. He’s been pretty useless so far but it’s about how long EtH wants to persist with him hoping a purple patch will happen (if it even will).

Personally I don’t think you can accommodate such a player and I’d much prefer to see Garnacho given a start who I think is gradually improving all the time and will continue to do so with more games.

posted on 1/9/24

Hes a far better player with an overlapping left back. It's no coincidence that his best form for United has gone with Shaw at left back.

Last season we had Wan Bissaka and Lindelof as left back for long periods and so far this season we've had Dalot playing there. All right footed players.

The overlapping fullback gives defenders choices to make and that often gives Rashford a bit more room and space. Without it they just shut him out of the game far too easily.

He can definitely play better than this and I don't think he's been terrible as RR says above but I don't think we will see the best of him again unless Shaw can get fit basically.

posted on 1/9/24

Regarding McTominay I’ve personally never really got the ‘he’s gives his all on the pitch’ view. No doubt he loves the club as he’s been with United nearly his whole life but when he’s on the pitch he’s pretty much invisible for most of it (I’d imagine we’ll see a huge difference in distance covered by Urgarte in comparison) but his goals seem to cover it up but even they’ve been overblown. Last season was the only time he got double figures, before that he averaged less than 4 goals a season in all competitions.

posted on 1/9/24

comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 58 minutes ago
For me this should be his last season to make a claim for a longer stay. If he underwhelms as he has the past season or two we should let him go. Hopefully he does step up though as he’s very important when in form.
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This.

posted on 1/9/24

He needs to improve simple as. The reality is that other than a two month spell post World Cup he’s been average or poor for the best part of 3 years.

Another season like last should be the end for him.

Let’s hope he improves massively.

posted on 1/9/24

Won't be the end of him. Nobody can afford him even if we decide to sell him.

As it happens I'd have him as an impact player off the bench for now until Shaw is match fit. Don't think we will see the best of him until he's back.

Garnacho isn't perfect either though. Let's not forget Rashford gave him an open goal against Fulham and he missed it. I don't think any of our forwards are elite sadly. They are miles off some of the forwards in this league.

We've been averaging about 55 goals a season and I think we are looking at that again this year. Only 2 games played so far so small sample size but we've only managed 2 goals. Haaland already has 7 all by himself which speaks volumes.

posted on 1/9/24

The timing of his runs still needs to improve, but I’m not sure it will, he’s not a youngster anymore and he’s being caught offside far too often

posted on 1/9/24

No.

He could be a good squad player for us, but his wages are astronomical and I suspect we’d have a tantrum on our hands if he weren’t starting regularly.

posted on 1/9/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Hes a far better player with an overlapping left back. It's no coincidence that his best form for United has gone with Shaw at left back.

Last season we had Wan Bissaka and Lindelof as left back for long periods and so far this season we've had Dalot playing there. All right footed players.

The overlapping fullback gives defenders choices to make and that often gives Rashford a bit more room and space. Without it they just shut him out of the game far too easily.

He can definitely play better than this and I don't think he's been terrible as RR says above but I don't think we will see the best of him again unless Shaw can get fit basically.
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While I agree with what you're saying, it doesn't excuse him being a lazy facking cant now does it?
His effort level needs to double before I'd even consider him United standard. Nothing to do with overlapping fullbacks. This is a rashford problem.

posted on 1/9/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Obviously he's starting to look like one of the weaker links in the first XI. I don't think he's been too bad at the start if this season, compared to last. Working harder off the ball, looking a bit sharper, but still not confident in front of goal.

I'll never hate him the way some of our fans seem to for not being up to standard. He's already given us so much, often during otherwise depressing times. And I think he suffered from years of poor coaching (and overplaying through injuries) when in a different timeline he'd have been developed into a wide forward who fits perfectly into a possession based, pressing side.
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Totally this. Well put RR

posted on 1/9/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Hes a far better player with an overlapping left back. It's no coincidence that his best form for United has gone with Shaw at left back.

Last season we had Wan Bissaka and Lindelof as left back for long periods and so far this season we've had Dalot playing there. All right footed players.

The overlapping fullback gives defenders choices to make and that often gives Rashford a bit more room and space. Without it they just shut him out of the game far too easily.

He can definitely play better than this and I don't think he's been terrible as RR says above but I don't think we will see the best of him again unless Shaw can get fit basically.
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"He needs a left back to perform" at 300k a week. Add this to "he can only produce from the left". Excuses, apologies or apologist.

We don't have a left footed left back (since I'm assuming all that Dalot has been doing is faffing around) so it's not going to be an excuse for him. He's had years to adjust to it with a ridiculous amount of faith shown to him to do so. We are trying to change our wages structure and I bet you the next time garnacho or that big name wide players tries to make a point he's going to use Rashford as his excuse.

We also have to factor in that the longer he stays the less we could get for him. If he has an average season, none is going to want him at a price worth the investment we have made I. Him. He could quickly change from a benefit to a burden. We cannot dwell on him.

posted on 1/9/24

and BTW if Rashy does probably go and throw in a great performance today I will be very happy and pleased with him, and think he's worth the daft money he gets. For this week anyway.

posted on 1/9/24

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Regarding McTominay I’ve personally never really got the ‘he’s gives his all on the pitch’ view.
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our fans these days are weird, they create narratives for the players, then forget/ignore anything that goes against this narrative.

i mean, this caused a bit of a stir when it happened, but less than 12 months later it seems to have been completely forgotten:

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/16o7k6u/mctominay_loses_the_ball_then_jogs_back/

and he used to do this sort of thing regularly, but somehow has earned, from a lot of people apparently, a "leaves it all on the pitch" narrative.

posted on 1/9/24

I don't necessarily think Rashford's best form in terms of performances anyway has come when Shaw's been available given Rashford was pretty good under Ole for decent spells between 2019 and 2021 and Shaw missed over 40 games during those two seasons.

He still looks like he's stuck in a huge rut and can't get out of it. He doesn't look confident at all with the ball at his feet. 7 or 8 times out of 10 I expect him to make the wrong decision, run into traffic, over or under-hit a pass and panic when he's in front of goal.

It wouldn't surprise me if he produces something later on today but there's definitely an argument that he shouldn't be starting games for us in the form he's in currently, especially when everybody gets up to speed.

If things don't improve this season I can see us replacing him in the summer. I don't think he's deserving of any more chances after that. We'll need to move on from him soon.

posted on 1/9/24

And for those who really love Rashford, if you really love him, you want a low block + counter attack structure, not left footed left back overlapping him. That's how we poked a result from Liverpool and City. We are trying to build a new structure but can we turn it upside down for this game at home?

Anyways I'm actually excited for this game regardless. Rashford performing or not. I've stopped factoring him into our results. If he does it's always a shock these days

posted on 1/9/24

comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
and BTW if Rashy does probably go and throw in a great performance today I will be very happy and pleased with him, and think he's worth the daft money he gets. For this week anyway.
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In the same way we all gave Antony a reprieve for a day after his goal agains them last season. Still trash.

posted on 1/9/24

comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
and BTW if Rashy does probably go and throw in a great performance today I will be very happy and pleased with him, and think he's worth the daft money he gets. For this week anyway.
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In the same way we all gave Antony a reprieve for a day after his goal agains them last season. Still trash.
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Still trash.

posted on 1/9/24

Don

Yep

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