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I'm going for a drink with the 19 year old lesbine
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it was her cousin who was into girls.
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it WAS the barman who took her last week when I walked out !
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Sorry you feel threatened Ben. Unfortunately that’s your issue and not mine.
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Not threatened mate, just think you should at least say who you are (were)
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I’ve been a reader of GN for years. Never really commented due to not having the time during work. I’m currently working out my notice period so have more time on my hands. Also coincides with the return of J, whose tales of debauchery make for funny reading due to it being the polar opposite to how I lead my life. So there you have it...
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She'd planned to give me her virgin, and she gave it to the barman after I walked out and went home
That sounds sad. Are you concerned about the potentially exploitative nature of these relationships?
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That sounds sad. Are you concerned about the potentially exploitative nature of these relationships?
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i've considered it, and decided in unison with every other person who was aware of it, including her older sister, that there was no exploitation, other than the barman of me.
I don't care about her virgin, I care about losing her as a girlfriend, and tbh even a friend because she is now with him so has to finish everything with me. she's 19, absolutely gorgeous and sweet as a pie. I'll move on though. literally every other girl in her bar now wants a piece of me, which ain't a bad thing tbh.
the funny thing was that until tonight only her sister knew about the barman. the whole bar knows now. with a bit of luck he'll lose his girlfriend and sooner or later the 19 year old will realise what a slimey caant he is.
tbh, she was too young for me anyway. noone else saw it as an issue (including her sister), but...
I'm glad that ended where it did. I'm glad and I'm not glad. I also feel like I should feel that it was wrong, but I struggle to reach that conclusion. Whether that's because I've become too emersed in all this shti or not I don't know. Anyway, the girl enjoyed herself and was happy as larry about it all.
I probably will look back one day and scratch my head, but....I'm even confused about last night, but. People are too quick to judge. I do believe that that is true. I think maybe you can forget how old you are at times here. I don't know. I haven't seen too much that seems to hurt anyone. By far the worst would be my ex-girlfriend basically having her life stolen by some mad scotsman, and even THAT seems to have worked out with everyone happy. Not that I'm approving what he did there. Tbh it was a disgrace.
I probably have broken the rules of our society. Well I have, haven't I ? I took a conscious decision to have a relationship with a girl less than half my age. Do I really care about that ? Do I feel bad about it ? Like what I've done wrong is really of any significance ? Personally ? At the moment I struggle to see why I would do or why I should do.
Perhaps we should all be a little more French.
I'm not trying to normalise it, by suggesting that the French would think it's ok and therefore it is ok. I don't think that the French would generally think that it was OK. The Frenchman who saw it in the end thought it was, but I don't think that French people in general would take one look at us and think, well that's normal. It wasn't 'normal'. I also don't think there was any harm in it at all. And I don't think that reflection or perspective will change my mind on that. We had nice times togethor, we both hurt a little bit over each other and both came out the other side. Her affection for me was a factor in her taking a step in her life that she was clearly ready for. The French would mostly see it as a problem. The British certainly would. I actually hate the modern british and their maniacal subservience to their moral rules. The hate that they consider it acceptable to direct at those who dare to break them. Maybe it will catch up with me one day and those who knew nothing about it other than my descriptions, will turn their outrage upon me. I will always objectively believe that I did nothing wrong, other than to break my own society's codes.
If I feel bad about any of them, it's the girl that I did bring home the other night. The one who messaged me early morning yesterday. It's her who people should be worried about, not the other one. She's got some problems I think, and I really regret not being there for her yesterday morning when she was reaching out.
I don't personally have an opinion on what you do J. That being said I'm not sure I could square away the conflicting concepts of paying someone for their company and being in a loving relationship. I guess it could be seen as mutually beneficial, but if I thought for a minute my partner only ever paid interest in me because of the lifestyle I could give her that would hurt my sense of self-worth as well as my respect for her.
Let's not pretend that Cambodia isn't dirt poor, or that those girls aren't doing things they don't enjoy for money. I think there is a certain delusion around men and the secs trade that women enjoy it. I'm sure a few of them do, but overwhelmingly it's a story of either desperation or a person looking to fill a need for affection.
You reflect on British moral values, and certainly they're far from perfect, but with regard to prostitution there's reasonable cause to be skeptical. Especially in impoverished countries and communities where there is opportunity for exploitation by rich westerners happy to leverage the wealth inequality to get whatever they want. I'm sure that's not true across the board, but there will always be the question around why go to Cambodia/Thailand etc?
I had a colleague that left to live in Thailand. He maintained up until his last day that he loved the culture and weather etc. Only then admitting to me privately that he loved the 'naïve farm girls' he could find out there. He also made it clear that the secs was important as he never got any in the UK. Fair play to him for finally being honest but that is certainly morally questionable in my book. And I think it's a little naïve to think that attitude isn't prevalent. How many of the guys are happy to admit it to themselves, let alone others, is another issue.
Dude, it's interesting to read your views.
I was more concerned about the age of that girl (19 and was a virgin) than I was about paying for sxe.
What I had with her was real, but it's now just affection, albeit still real. I was going to be her first guy, and she ended up taking another first guy after I left her. It wasn't fake. We were both very aroused by each other, and both felt like we were about to fall in love (me more because she was I guess than anything else).
The concern I had this morning was about peoples' perception of that, because it would not go down well in the UK. Maybe it would be LESS of a problem with some people if they saw us, but it would still be a problem.
That was what I was concerned about when I woke up.
We (me and you and others) about whether it was real or not until the cows come home. I know that it was, you and others will think that it very likely wasn't. There's really nothing we can do about that difference.
Your comments about prostitution in SEA are interesting, and I agree with some of what you say (tbh I would be bold enough to say that some of what you say is correct). I've explained that before though, so am not massively keen on repeating it.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and write such a detailed and considered post.
"I'm not sure I could square away the conflicting concepts of paying someone for their company and being in a loving relationship."
I agree with that. I can't really comment on it, because the only relationship that I had here I didn't pay her. I know that relationships do happen, and I've read that the norm is that the western guy pays a salary which goes to the family. I've read people saying that they are in relationships like that which are loving. I also find it hard to square that, but I suspect that it is true, and that there is genuine love or at least affection in some of those relationships, as odd as that sounds. Particularly in Thailand it is just - as I understand it from what I've read - the done thing for westerns to pay an allowance to the family of their girlfriend.
"Let's not pretend that Cambodia isn't dirt poor, or that those girls aren't doing things they don't enjoy for money. I think there is a certain delusion around men and the secs trade that women enjoy it. I'm sure a few of them do, but overwhelmingly it's a story of either desperation or a person looking to fill a need for affection."
There is some money around in Cambodia, but yes it is a very poor country. It's very badly run, and the dictator prime minister and his cronies take all the money.
Just like north east Thailand, the families are very poor and the girls go to the city to make money for them.
That said, it isn't as cut and dried as you say. As I've explained on here before, there are big differences in the lifestyles of the girls who work in bars and work in prostitution. For one thing, not all of the girls sleep with customers. Taking those who do though, for many of the younger girls (say 19-23), they enjoy their lifestyle. The way I see it is they are little different to UK university students living an active social life, it's just that they don't do any studying, haha (although this 19 girl studies English actually). They go out every night and have a good time, and usually go home with a handsome young guy (who gives her money).
At the other end you have single mothers, and women paying off debts, who have to work for themselves and their children, and their debtors, and they can have very difficult lives and get treated very badly.
There's also a fair bit intbetween.
I used to see a girl here who was around mid 20s. She was very into me, and I'd just give her 20 bucks in the morning. She slept with me maybe 10-15 times. She could have been taking 60 bucks from a customer in a bar most nights, but she chose to go with me. When I came back a year later, her circumstances had changed. She still had feelings for me, but wasn't in love with me any more, but more importantly, her baby was growing up and was costing more money, and her focus was now on making money, and as a result she stopped going with same before and said I had to pay if I wanted to go with her. That didn''t mean that she wouldn't still enjoy being with me, it just meant that her priority now was money.
You need to bare in mind Bales, that I am very nice and gentle with the girls, and sometimes funny, that I can touch a girl like she's never been touched before, and my sxe is very good. Now you can believe that or you can not believe that, but it is a factor in how the girls will behave.
As for guys in general being delusional, and being in need of affection or desperation (I guess you are talking about the guys being desperate rather than the girls being desperate for money here). It's important to realise, that there's a big misconception about the men who do this sort of thing. The image is that elderly men like gary glitter come to these countries, and touch up young women and whatever. There are some like that, don't get me wrong. And yeah, it would be very rare for those type of guys that the girls enjoy it as such. They MIGHT like the guy or be fond of him, but not in a sxelau way. But I suspect that most are aware of what the relationship really is. I don't know tbh. But most guys who go into bars for example, are not like that. In phnom penh, it's mostly expats, and that includes young hot guys. You also get tourits, including young hot guys. The proportion of people who look like creepy perverts (and there may be occasions where I look like that for sure), is quite low. In many cases, the girls are genuinely into the guys. They still take money. The 19 year old, was genuinely into me, and now she is genuinely into the 24 year old barman. I can see that.
At the end of the day, the women are women, just the same as any other women. Yes, a lot of them lie, a lot of them do whatever they can to exploit the men and get as much money from them as they can, but not all do, and even those that do can enjoy their time with the guy as well.
"ou reflect on British moral values, and certainly they're far from perfect, but with regard to prostitution there's reasonable cause to be skeptical. Especially in impoverished countries and communities where there is opportunity for exploitation by rich westerners happy to leverage the wealth inequality to get whatever they want."
yeah I agree. one type of guy I didn't mention above is the real scmubag gangster type of westerner. most places in the far east will have some of these. they exploit the girls in a major way and make money from them. they're sucm of the earth.
other than that though, yes I agree on the possibility of the girls being exploited, but with freelance girls it's really not that much of an issue I don't think. the guys being exploited is probably more of an issue tbh.
really the people who exploit the girls the most (apart from smucbags like referred to above) are the families and the culture of these places, where women are expected to earn money for the family. that's the real problem, and certainly there were working girls I went with in Thailand, who felt like they had to do it because of their families, but I know they had times where they struggled with what they were doing (short time sxe with several men a day).
I'm sure that's not true across the board, but there will always be the question around why go to Cambodia/Thailand etc?
I had a colleague that left to live in Thailand. He maintained up until his last day that he loved the culture and weather etc. Only then admitting to me privately that he loved the 'naïve farm girls' he could find out there. He also made it clear that the secs was important as he never got any in the UK. Fair play to him for finally being honest but that is certainly morally questionable in my book. And I think it's a little naïve to think that attitude isn't prevalent. How many of the guys are happy to admit it to themselves, let alone others, is another issue."
there are many reasons to go to Thailand, and most tourists who go there aren't there for the sxe industry. Cambodia is different. most people in phnom penh who are here as tourists or non-working expats would be here to find a girl or to enjoy the bars etc. there's not a massive lot else to do in phnom penh at least, although it's got a charm to it.
personally I used to go to these countries to travel round them, but in the last couple of years the main attraction has been the girls.
They go out every night and have a good time, and usually go home with a handsome young guy (who gives her money).
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This might seem like a trivial point, but it's an important distinction to make. To ignore the fact that the girls are working, while apparently in a relationship risks deluding yourself. I might have fun sometimes at work, but for sure I wouldn't be there if I wasn't being paid..
the guys being exploited is probably more of an issue tbh.
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I get where you're coming from but, again, let's not forget the social and economic context.. those girls don't have the same freedoms that we take for granted.
I also have a friend in Cambodia right now. He's helped to build a school there and gone back to teach. Great bloke, and his stories are fascinating.
Take care of yourself J. My only real concern, not really knowing you, is that you seem easily upset by these encounters. I thought maybe a little perspective would help. I certainly can't claim to be an expert, I've never been past Turkey to the East!
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Tings good sir?
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I'm going for a drink with the 19 year old lesbine
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it was her cousin who was into girls.
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it WAS the barman who took her last week when I walked out !
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Sorry you feel threatened Ben. Unfortunately that’s your issue and not mine.
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Not threatened mate, just think you should at least say who you are (were)
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I’ve been a reader of GN for years. Never really commented due to not having the time during work. I’m currently working out my notice period so have more time on my hands. Also coincides with the return of J, whose tales of debauchery make for funny reading due to it being the polar opposite to how I lead my life. So there you have it...
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posted on 20/1/20
She'd planned to give me her virgin, and she gave it to the barman after I walked out and went home
posted on 20/1/20
That sounds sad. Are you concerned about the potentially exploitative nature of these relationships?
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posted 1 minute ago
That sounds sad. Are you concerned about the potentially exploitative nature of these relationships?
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i've considered it, and decided in unison with every other person who was aware of it, including her older sister, that there was no exploitation, other than the barman of me.
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I don't care about her virgin, I care about losing her as a girlfriend, and tbh even a friend because she is now with him so has to finish everything with me. she's 19, absolutely gorgeous and sweet as a pie. I'll move on though. literally every other girl in her bar now wants a piece of me, which ain't a bad thing tbh.
posted on 20/1/20
the funny thing was that until tonight only her sister knew about the barman. the whole bar knows now. with a bit of luck he'll lose his girlfriend and sooner or later the 19 year old will realise what a slimey caant he is.
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tbh, she was too young for me anyway. noone else saw it as an issue (including her sister), but...
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I'm glad that ended where it did. I'm glad and I'm not glad. I also feel like I should feel that it was wrong, but I struggle to reach that conclusion. Whether that's because I've become too emersed in all this shti or not I don't know. Anyway, the girl enjoyed herself and was happy as larry about it all.
I probably will look back one day and scratch my head, but....I'm even confused about last night, but. People are too quick to judge. I do believe that that is true. I think maybe you can forget how old you are at times here. I don't know. I haven't seen too much that seems to hurt anyone. By far the worst would be my ex-girlfriend basically having her life stolen by some mad scotsman, and even THAT seems to have worked out with everyone happy. Not that I'm approving what he did there. Tbh it was a disgrace.
I probably have broken the rules of our society. Well I have, haven't I ? I took a conscious decision to have a relationship with a girl less than half my age. Do I really care about that ? Do I feel bad about it ? Like what I've done wrong is really of any significance ? Personally ? At the moment I struggle to see why I would do or why I should do.
Perhaps we should all be a little more French.
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I'm not trying to normalise it, by suggesting that the French would think it's ok and therefore it is ok. I don't think that the French would generally think that it was OK. The Frenchman who saw it in the end thought it was, but I don't think that French people in general would take one look at us and think, well that's normal. It wasn't 'normal'. I also don't think there was any harm in it at all. And I don't think that reflection or perspective will change my mind on that. We had nice times togethor, we both hurt a little bit over each other and both came out the other side. Her affection for me was a factor in her taking a step in her life that she was clearly ready for. The French would mostly see it as a problem. The British certainly would. I actually hate the modern british and their maniacal subservience to their moral rules. The hate that they consider it acceptable to direct at those who dare to break them. Maybe it will catch up with me one day and those who knew nothing about it other than my descriptions, will turn their outrage upon me. I will always objectively believe that I did nothing wrong, other than to break my own society's codes.
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If I feel bad about any of them, it's the girl that I did bring home the other night. The one who messaged me early morning yesterday. It's her who people should be worried about, not the other one. She's got some problems I think, and I really regret not being there for her yesterday morning when she was reaching out.
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I don't personally have an opinion on what you do J. That being said I'm not sure I could square away the conflicting concepts of paying someone for their company and being in a loving relationship. I guess it could be seen as mutually beneficial, but if I thought for a minute my partner only ever paid interest in me because of the lifestyle I could give her that would hurt my sense of self-worth as well as my respect for her.
Let's not pretend that Cambodia isn't dirt poor, or that those girls aren't doing things they don't enjoy for money. I think there is a certain delusion around men and the secs trade that women enjoy it. I'm sure a few of them do, but overwhelmingly it's a story of either desperation or a person looking to fill a need for affection.
You reflect on British moral values, and certainly they're far from perfect, but with regard to prostitution there's reasonable cause to be skeptical. Especially in impoverished countries and communities where there is opportunity for exploitation by rich westerners happy to leverage the wealth inequality to get whatever they want. I'm sure that's not true across the board, but there will always be the question around why go to Cambodia/Thailand etc?
I had a colleague that left to live in Thailand. He maintained up until his last day that he loved the culture and weather etc. Only then admitting to me privately that he loved the 'naïve farm girls' he could find out there. He also made it clear that the secs was important as he never got any in the UK. Fair play to him for finally being honest but that is certainly morally questionable in my book. And I think it's a little naïve to think that attitude isn't prevalent. How many of the guys are happy to admit it to themselves, let alone others, is another issue.
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Dude, it's interesting to read your views.
I was more concerned about the age of that girl (19 and was a virgin) than I was about paying for sxe.
What I had with her was real, but it's now just affection, albeit still real. I was going to be her first guy, and she ended up taking another first guy after I left her. It wasn't fake. We were both very aroused by each other, and both felt like we were about to fall in love (me more because she was I guess than anything else).
The concern I had this morning was about peoples' perception of that, because it would not go down well in the UK. Maybe it would be LESS of a problem with some people if they saw us, but it would still be a problem.
That was what I was concerned about when I woke up.
We (me and you and others) about whether it was real or not until the cows come home. I know that it was, you and others will think that it very likely wasn't. There's really nothing we can do about that difference.
Your comments about prostitution in SEA are interesting, and I agree with some of what you say (tbh I would be bold enough to say that some of what you say is correct). I've explained that before though, so am not massively keen on repeating it.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and write such a detailed and considered post.
posted on 21/1/20
"I'm not sure I could square away the conflicting concepts of paying someone for their company and being in a loving relationship."
I agree with that. I can't really comment on it, because the only relationship that I had here I didn't pay her. I know that relationships do happen, and I've read that the norm is that the western guy pays a salary which goes to the family. I've read people saying that they are in relationships like that which are loving. I also find it hard to square that, but I suspect that it is true, and that there is genuine love or at least affection in some of those relationships, as odd as that sounds. Particularly in Thailand it is just - as I understand it from what I've read - the done thing for westerns to pay an allowance to the family of their girlfriend.
posted on 21/1/20
"Let's not pretend that Cambodia isn't dirt poor, or that those girls aren't doing things they don't enjoy for money. I think there is a certain delusion around men and the secs trade that women enjoy it. I'm sure a few of them do, but overwhelmingly it's a story of either desperation or a person looking to fill a need for affection."
There is some money around in Cambodia, but yes it is a very poor country. It's very badly run, and the dictator prime minister and his cronies take all the money.
Just like north east Thailand, the families are very poor and the girls go to the city to make money for them.
That said, it isn't as cut and dried as you say. As I've explained on here before, there are big differences in the lifestyles of the girls who work in bars and work in prostitution. For one thing, not all of the girls sleep with customers. Taking those who do though, for many of the younger girls (say 19-23), they enjoy their lifestyle. The way I see it is they are little different to UK university students living an active social life, it's just that they don't do any studying, haha (although this 19 girl studies English actually). They go out every night and have a good time, and usually go home with a handsome young guy (who gives her money).
At the other end you have single mothers, and women paying off debts, who have to work for themselves and their children, and their debtors, and they can have very difficult lives and get treated very badly.
There's also a fair bit intbetween.
I used to see a girl here who was around mid 20s. She was very into me, and I'd just give her 20 bucks in the morning. She slept with me maybe 10-15 times. She could have been taking 60 bucks from a customer in a bar most nights, but she chose to go with me. When I came back a year later, her circumstances had changed. She still had feelings for me, but wasn't in love with me any more, but more importantly, her baby was growing up and was costing more money, and her focus was now on making money, and as a result she stopped going with same before and said I had to pay if I wanted to go with her. That didn''t mean that she wouldn't still enjoy being with me, it just meant that her priority now was money.
You need to bare in mind Bales, that I am very nice and gentle with the girls, and sometimes funny, that I can touch a girl like she's never been touched before, and my sxe is very good. Now you can believe that or you can not believe that, but it is a factor in how the girls will behave.
As for guys in general being delusional, and being in need of affection or desperation (I guess you are talking about the guys being desperate rather than the girls being desperate for money here). It's important to realise, that there's a big misconception about the men who do this sort of thing. The image is that elderly men like gary glitter come to these countries, and touch up young women and whatever. There are some like that, don't get me wrong. And yeah, it would be very rare for those type of guys that the girls enjoy it as such. They MIGHT like the guy or be fond of him, but not in a sxelau way. But I suspect that most are aware of what the relationship really is. I don't know tbh. But most guys who go into bars for example, are not like that. In phnom penh, it's mostly expats, and that includes young hot guys. You also get tourits, including young hot guys. The proportion of people who look like creepy perverts (and there may be occasions where I look like that for sure), is quite low. In many cases, the girls are genuinely into the guys. They still take money. The 19 year old, was genuinely into me, and now she is genuinely into the 24 year old barman. I can see that.
At the end of the day, the women are women, just the same as any other women. Yes, a lot of them lie, a lot of them do whatever they can to exploit the men and get as much money from them as they can, but not all do, and even those that do can enjoy their time with the guy as well.
posted on 21/1/20
"ou reflect on British moral values, and certainly they're far from perfect, but with regard to prostitution there's reasonable cause to be skeptical. Especially in impoverished countries and communities where there is opportunity for exploitation by rich westerners happy to leverage the wealth inequality to get whatever they want."
yeah I agree. one type of guy I didn't mention above is the real scmubag gangster type of westerner. most places in the far east will have some of these. they exploit the girls in a major way and make money from them. they're sucm of the earth.
other than that though, yes I agree on the possibility of the girls being exploited, but with freelance girls it's really not that much of an issue I don't think. the guys being exploited is probably more of an issue tbh.
really the people who exploit the girls the most (apart from smucbags like referred to above) are the families and the culture of these places, where women are expected to earn money for the family. that's the real problem, and certainly there were working girls I went with in Thailand, who felt like they had to do it because of their families, but I know they had times where they struggled with what they were doing (short time sxe with several men a day).
posted on 21/1/20
I'm sure that's not true across the board, but there will always be the question around why go to Cambodia/Thailand etc?
I had a colleague that left to live in Thailand. He maintained up until his last day that he loved the culture and weather etc. Only then admitting to me privately that he loved the 'naïve farm girls' he could find out there. He also made it clear that the secs was important as he never got any in the UK. Fair play to him for finally being honest but that is certainly morally questionable in my book. And I think it's a little naïve to think that attitude isn't prevalent. How many of the guys are happy to admit it to themselves, let alone others, is another issue."
there are many reasons to go to Thailand, and most tourists who go there aren't there for the sxe industry. Cambodia is different. most people in phnom penh who are here as tourists or non-working expats would be here to find a girl or to enjoy the bars etc. there's not a massive lot else to do in phnom penh at least, although it's got a charm to it.
personally I used to go to these countries to travel round them, but in the last couple of years the main attraction has been the girls.
posted on 21/1/20
Eriksen £11m
posted on 21/1/20
They go out every night and have a good time, and usually go home with a handsome young guy (who gives her money).
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This might seem like a trivial point, but it's an important distinction to make. To ignore the fact that the girls are working, while apparently in a relationship risks deluding yourself. I might have fun sometimes at work, but for sure I wouldn't be there if I wasn't being paid..
the guys being exploited is probably more of an issue tbh.
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I get where you're coming from but, again, let's not forget the social and economic context.. those girls don't have the same freedoms that we take for granted.
I also have a friend in Cambodia right now. He's helped to build a school there and gone back to teach. Great bloke, and his stories are fascinating.
Take care of yourself J. My only real concern, not really knowing you, is that you seem easily upset by these encounters. I thought maybe a little perspective would help. I certainly can't claim to be an expert, I've never been past Turkey to the East!
posted on 21/1/20
comment by tottenhamclotspurs Don't Let The Dust Set... (U22316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eriksen £11m
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World class player when he can be bothered. What a shame.
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