I disagree with you Bales. It’s why it is a sinbinnable in rugby and gets you ejected in basketball - it is really dangerous.

I think it is a case by case basis with Kane. The creswell incident was a definite red for Kane. Lallana incident was a foul on Kane.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted less than a minute ago
I disagree with you Bales. It’s why it is a sinbinnable in rugby and gets you ejected in basketball - it is really dangerous.

I think it is a case by case basis with Kane. The creswell incident was a definite red for Kane. Lallana incident was a foul on Kane.
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Basketball is obviously a very different situation. On a hard court I'd agree. I'm pretty sure in rugby it refers to the lineout, in which case you're talking about huge guys being lifted well beyond what they could normally jump in a situation where it's not open play.

I don't think it's ever a red card. A foul maybe, if the player isn't making an attempt to win the ball it'd be obstruction.

I think to start labelling it dangerous and a red card offence you need some precedent of it causing harm. And not one exceptional case.

comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah that could be awkward. It'll remind him of better days though, I guess.
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Fecking cost like 3x normal price so he better be happy

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Yeah that could be awkward. It'll remind him of better days though, I guess.
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Fecking cost like 3x normal price so he better be happy
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Brutal. Books over here in Canada are ridiculous for some reason. I just paid almost $40 for a book for the missus.

Have you seen the Cresswell incident?

That isn’t what it means in rugby. In rugby it is regarding someone knocking someone else when they are in the air.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted less than a minute ago
Have you seen the Cresswell incident?

That isn’t what it means in rugby. In rugby it is regarding someone knocking someone else when they are in the air.
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Oh yes the guy jumping to catch the ball. That's different to be fair. It's not about someone 'backing in' to make a player fall, it's about clattering someone that has no idea what's about to hit him, and by the nature of the game, has to commit to the catch. It's not the same at all.

Yeah I saw the Creswell one. Probably a foul but never in a million years a red. IMO

is Al Gold a spurs fan?

A question for you Edin - how do you decide what's a foul either way in these incidents? As I understand it intent is being taken out of decisions.

comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs ... (U20037)
posted less than a minute ago
is Al Gold a spurs fan?
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Must be surely. Do you doubt it?

dont doubt just no clue, managed to listen to a lot of his videos and he hasnt said 'we' or anything

It's not a foul in rugby because of the risk of injury when the players collide in midair. The serious risk is that a player can have his legs taken out from under him and suffer a serious injury when he lands on his head/neck.

Granted the speeds involved in these Kane backing-in incidents are significantly lower - and Kane himself reduces a lot of the force and momentum by letting himself be knocked over rather than forcing his momentum through the impact - but it's the same concept. It's dangerous. Not to mention it's clearly not a facking foul to intentionally let yourself get knocked over by not actually challenging for the ball.

Interesting. I just kinda assumed he was. He gushes about Spurs

comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs ... (U20037)
posted 59 seconds ago
dont doubt just no clue, managed to listen to a lot of his videos and he hasnt said 'we' or anything
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I don't say "we" either because I'm not on the facking pitch.

>inb4 "You support Wolves though"

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Kay Starr - Wheel of Fortune
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Raptor✡ (U1071), can you unfilter me for the2020 nominations?

Someone quote this please
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Yet you commented on this article? Facking muppet
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How's your mom?
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That’s a really weird and delayed bite
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But how is she?

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted about a minute ago
It's not a foul in rugby because of the risk of injury when the players collide in midair. The serious risk is that a player can have his legs taken out from under him and suffer a serious injury when he lands on his head/neck.

Granted the speeds involved in these Kane backing-in incidents are significantly lower - and Kane himself reduces a lot of the force and momentum by letting himself be knocked over rather than forcing his momentum through the impact - but it's the same concept. It's dangerous. Not to mention it's clearly not a facking foul to intentionally let yourself get knocked over by not actually challenging for the ball.
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Difference being that those impacts are significantly more violent in rugby. It's not just an aside that the contact is slower and much more easily anticipated in football, it's very much the difference between a slightly uncomfortable landing and a 20 stone caant wiping you out while you're trying to make a fair catch.

Like I say, if there was some precedent of it actually causing harm on the football pitch, I'm happy to agree. But there isn't. If this is so dangerous and an obvious red, you should at least be able to name one player that got hurt because of this.

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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom- least knowledgeable spurs ... (U20037)
posted 59 seconds ago
dont doubt just no clue, managed to listen to a lot of his videos and he hasnt said 'we' or anything
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I don't say "we" either because I'm not on the facking pitch.

>inb4 "You support Wolves though"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU

comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
A question for you Edin - how do you decide what's a foul either way in these incidents? As I understand it intent is being taken out of decisions.
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Is Kane standing his ground or not

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
A question for you Edin - how do you decide what's a foul either way in these incidents? As I understand it intent is being taken out of decisions.
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Is Kane standing his ground or not
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Ok. I get that. So if the standing player moves toward the jumping player it's a foul? I'm not trying to be facetious or anything. It's a tough one.

Obviously a player is within his rights to stand and try to win the ball without jumping.

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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted about a minute ago
It's not a foul in rugby because of the risk of injury when the players collide in midair. The serious risk is that a player can have his legs taken out from under him and suffer a serious injury when he lands on his head/neck.

Granted the speeds involved in these Kane backing-in incidents are significantly lower - and Kane himself reduces a lot of the force and momentum by letting himself be knocked over rather than forcing his momentum through the impact - but it's the same concept. It's dangerous. Not to mention it's clearly not a facking foul to intentionally let yourself get knocked over by not actually challenging for the ball.
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Difference being that those impacts are significantly more violent in rugby. It's not just an aside that the contact is slower and much more easily anticipated in football, it's very much the difference between a slightly uncomfortable landing and a 20 stone caant wiping you out while you're trying to make a fair catch.

Like I say, if there was some precedent of it actually causing harm on the football pitch, I'm happy to agree. But there isn't. If this is so dangerous and an obvious red, you should at least be able to name one player that got hurt because of this.
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The damage in a lot of instances is from gravity + top half of body slamming off the floor

comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted about a minute ago
It's not a foul in rugby because of the risk of injury when the players collide in midair. The serious risk is that a player can have his legs taken out from under him and suffer a serious injury when he lands on his head/neck.

Granted the speeds involved in these Kane backing-in incidents are significantly lower - and Kane himself reduces a lot of the force and momentum by letting himself be knocked over rather than forcing his momentum through the impact - but it's the same concept. It's dangerous. Not to mention it's clearly not a facking foul to intentionally let yourself get knocked over by not actually challenging for the ball.
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Difference being that those impacts are significantly more violent in rugby. It's not just an aside that the contact is slower and much more easily anticipated in football, it's very much the difference between a slightly uncomfortable landing and a 20 stone caant wiping you out while you're trying to make a fair catch.

Like I say, if there was some precedent of it actually causing harm on the football pitch, I'm happy to agree. But there isn't. If this is so dangerous and an obvious red, you should at least be able to name one player that got hurt because of this.
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I'm not disagreeing - it's not AS dangerous as the equivalent(-ish) offence in rugby, which is why there's been fewer injuries resulting from it in football. I do think it should be treated more seriously than it is in football, though. I definitely don't think Kane should get the benefit of the ref's decision in those incidents.

Trouble is, footballers are so facking cynical that as soon as the ref starting blowing for a foul by Kane, you'd just have centre halves winning fouls on purpose by jumping over centre forwards every match.

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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom- least knowledgeable spurs ... (U20037)
posted 59 seconds ago
dont doubt just no clue, managed to listen to a lot of his videos and he hasnt said 'we' or anything
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I don't say "we" either because I'm not on the facking pitch.

>inb4 "You support Wolves though"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted about a minute ago
It's not a foul in rugby because of the risk of injury when the players collide in midair. The serious risk is that a player can have his legs taken out from under him and suffer a serious injury when he lands on his head/neck.

Granted the speeds involved in these Kane backing-in incidents are significantly lower - and Kane himself reduces a lot of the force and momentum by letting himself be knocked over rather than forcing his momentum through the impact - but it's the same concept. It's dangerous. Not to mention it's clearly not a facking foul to intentionally let yourself get knocked over by not actually challenging for the ball.
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Difference being that those impacts are significantly more violent in rugby. It's not just an aside that the contact is slower and much more easily anticipated in football, it's very much the difference between a slightly uncomfortable landing and a 20 stone caant wiping you out while you're trying to make a fair catch.

Like I say, if there was some precedent of it actually causing harm on the football pitch, I'm happy to agree. But there isn't. If this is so dangerous and an obvious red, you should at least be able to name one player that got hurt because of this.
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The damage in a lot of instances is from gravity + top half of body slamming off the floor
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Maybe so but it's not that alone. It's in the context of the tackling player running at full speed to flatten him - as is the way of the sport - as soon as he lands. There's also the fact the jumping player has to be catching a ball. He's not got his hands free to stabilise himself or break the fall.

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A question for you Edin - how do you decide what's a foul either way in these incidents? As I understand it intent is being taken out of decisions.
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Is Kane standing his ground or not
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Ok. I get that. So if the standing player moves toward the jumping player it's a foul? I'm not trying to be facetious or anything. It's a tough one.

Obviously a player is within his rights to stand and try to win the ball without jumping.
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In basketball it’s a foul unless the defender is stood still/stood their ground then it’s a charge. You can move your body to change your weight but your feet have to be planted (you can jump in the air).

Sorry but I don't see that basketball is useful for defining rules on a football pitch. They're all about watching the minutiae of players feet moving. I guess we could do it with VAR