didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?

Was ETH more successful than Arteta, yes.
Would I rather be in Arsenals shoes right now, yes.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?
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They did, with Emery's team

Bar the initial FA Cup with Emery’s team, Arsenal have achieved less than Spurs under Poch.

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?
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They did, with Emery's team
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so they have won a final in 5 years

As for Arteta.

He's approaching last chance saloon, he's neglected the CF position and it's cost them over and over again. They will get someone in this summer.

If he can't deliver a league title or CL he could well be chopped. A cup and getting mighty close in the big 2 might get him another year.

He's still done a good job no matter what to resurrect the football club from the doldrums but ultimately they should have had a title in the last 3 seasons and they sit empty handed.

I'd rather be in Arsenal postion than ours. Yes they haven't won trophies but Arteta has build a very good side and has for the past 3 seasons competed at the very top, most of the time against a City side that are insanely hard to overcome for anyone. Just because doesn't compare to Wenger doesn't mean he hasn't done a good job.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?
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They did, with Emery's team
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so they have won a final in 5 years
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Two players in his current squad were there for it and he signed nobody in the squad that won it.

Managers like to say judge me after a year, when i've got my own signings. Since then nada.

Yeah he’s done a good job, but not a great one.

It’ll soon come to the point that their better players will look to clubs that are winning things.

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?
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They did, with Emery's team
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so they have won a final in 5 years
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Two players in his current squad were there for it and he signed nobody in the squad that won it.

Managers like to say judge me after a year, when i've got my own signings. Since then nada.
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ok. dunno what that has to do with anything.. I was dealing with what the thread is about and Arsenal not making a final in the last 5 years which is clearly wrong.

Football is about winning trophies not how much profit the club generates etc.
Tottenham had a better season than Arsenal because they won a trophy. In fact they had a better season than the 16 clubs above them in the PL with the exception of Liverpool

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?
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They did, with Emery's team
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so they have won a final in 5 years
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Two players in his current squad were there for it and he signed nobody in the squad that won it.

Managers like to say judge me after a year, when i've got my own signings. Since then nada.
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ok. dunno what that has to do with anything.. I was dealing with what the thread is about and Arsenal not making a final in the last 5 years which is clearly wrong.
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Technically less than 5 years ago. Only because of covid delays. Cup final was scheduled for 23rd May 2020. Eventually played in August.

5 full seasons have been played since Arsenal last won a major trophy though.

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
didnt they win the FA cup 5 years ago?
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They did, with Emery's team
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What exactly is the point of mentioning that it was Emery's team?

I mean the Renee Slegers (arsenal women manager) won the CL with the ex managers tean but he would get zero credit for the win, in fact with him in place they got beaten by Bayern 5-1

comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 46 minutes ago
Football is about winning trophies not how much profit the club generates etc.
Tottenham had a better season than Arsenal because they won a trophy. In fact they had a better season than the 16 clubs above them in the PL with the exception of Liverpool
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Most ridiculous thing I have heard. The prem is the bread and butter.

You can't just ignore 22 games lost. That's a disgraceful stat

I think fans confuse progress and success. Arsenal have made great progress under Arteta but, apart from the FA Cup, has anything else they've achieved under Arteta something that Arsenal fans would be happy to repeat forever- e.g finishing 2nd every year, CL semis?

We've had success winning trophies but our seasons have basically been failures since SAF left.

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 46 minutes ago
Football is about winning trophies not how much profit the club generates etc.
Tottenham had a better season than Arsenal because they won a trophy. In fact they had a better season than the 16 clubs above them in the PL with the exception of Liverpool
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Most ridiculous thing I have heard. The prem is the bread and butter.

You can't just ignore 22 games lost. That's a disgraceful stat
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Its all relative.

Say somehow over the last 5/7 years in one of the season Southampton finished 1 point behind 1st place (for eg Man City) then IMO Southampton had a much better season than Man City did.

Its all relative to how you view the team in question. If you consider 17th and a europa league as better than being the 2nd best team in the country then it must mean you view your team as having considerably lower standards than the team in 2nd.

comment by 130 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think fans confuse progress and success. Arsenal have made great progress under Arteta but, apart from the FA Cup, has anything else they've achieved under Arteta something that Arsenal fans would be happy to repeat forever- e.g finishing 2nd every year, CL semis?

We've had success winning trophies but our seasons have basically been failures since SAF left.
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yes if you ignore the success then all is left is failure

First of all, getting to a cup final when you are a club the size of United or Arsenal isn't all that. Winning is the key and I can think of at least 3 of the 5 where United lost. Neither of the teams put much stock on the domestic trophies at the start of the season, it is just a bonus (or a fall back) if they win one. United have gone from 2nd to 15th in that time, Arsenal from 8th to 2nd - losing a couple of Europa finals you should have won isn't making up for that, sorry Thierry.


In simple terms, winning a trophy is better than not winning one.
Equally, Boreham Wood can say they have had a better season than Arsenal and United because they won a 6th tier play-off final.
Whitstable Town can say they have matched Spurs, Palace and Newcastle because they won the FA Vase.


And congratulations to all of them. Winning a cup, winning a league or winning promotion are all great days of celebration.


But football is fast moving and in a couple of months the struggle will start again.

The issue with Arteta's Arsenal - which is an issue Spurs had under Poch as well. Is that as good as the league seasons are, there really needs to be a trophy to show it - as it can be tough to sustain success as 'nearly men'.

The FA Cup helps a little, but I'm not convinced Arsenal are better than they were three years ago - and with injuries finally catching up with them to about a league average level they have been way off the pace.

Spurs had the better season but Arsenal in a much better place

The FA Cup helps a little, but I'm not convinced Arsenal are better than they were three years ago - and with injuries finally catching up with them to about a league average level they have been way off the pace.


Still end the season in second place.

Not making any claim as to who's season is better but some observations from a neutral.

The EPL is a weird beast. Last year City earned £400k more than Arsenal in 2nd place. In turn Liverpool earned £4.5m less than Arsenal. Not seen this year's figures yet. But when you consider these differences as percentages the delta is negligible.

Securing a CL place is the real gravy with making the knockouts earning an English team c. €100m and winning it c. €160m.

19th place EPL is c. £50m down on the champions but obviously the CL place gets that back in spades.

Point is it's a money game. Outside earnings come into it obviously but over the piece those with the most money do the best.

The domestic cups that the big teams field reserves in is because it earns them fack all. OK if they make the final they might make an effort but really these competitions are in the grubber. Money talks.

Conclusion - any discussion about who had the better season is really just a pound league and Arsenal win it comfortably because the ropey cup brings shat income compared with CL - unless you count next season's money as this year's earnings which is a valid argument.

It also emphasises that a CL place is a real prize so obviously Spurs having way better a season than MU even if the latter had finished one spot below CL entry in the league.

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If you are winning cups on a fairly regular basis, but not doing well in the league (like Utd), then you start to pine for better league positions.

If perhaps like Spurs, you haven't won a trophy for a while, then that can become more important.

But pretty much any fan wants both, and it's all about what is a realistic expectation for your club.

If Arsenal continue to finish top 3 without winning the title, and aren't winning many cup trophies either, there will come a point where the board will say, thanks Michael, you did a good job but didn't quite get us there and they will look somewhere else.

I guess for any club, especially for those at the top, is maintaining that hunger for success, because it can change so quickly from season to season.................