*British annual budget, not GDP.

Saying the British abolished slavery will always be one of the most comical things ever to me

comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…I am your Premier League Champion (U2720)
posted 21 seconds ago
Saying the British abolished slavery will always be one of the most comical things ever to me
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yep, 100% agree, people acting like they done it out of the goodness of their hearts.

comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago

Also, I am Welsh, I am not a little Englander.
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More or less the same thing tbh

comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…I am your Premier League Champion (U2720)
posted 56 seconds ago
Saying the British abolished slavery will always be one of the most comical things ever to me
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It stops being funny when you realise a significant part of the population actual believe that sheet and shout it from the rooftops.

I’m not talking about the compensation, I’m talking about that paragraph I quoted.

You can't blame them though. It's what they're taught in school mostly.

European education curriculum on certainly aspects of history, and even the present is basically propaganda and PR.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about the compensation, I’m talking about that paragraph I quoted.
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So why did hey abolish slavery in your opinion?

Don't tell me, it was out of the goodness of their hearts, right?

comment by フレッド - #TWENTYTIMES (U3979)
posted 48 minutes ago
10 most influential people alive today... That would be a depressing list wouldn't it
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An easier way to tick those boxes

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by フレッド - #TWENTYTIMES (U3979)
posted 48 minutes ago
10 most influential people alive today... That would be a depressing list wouldn't it
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An easier way to tick those boxes
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The OP knew what he wanted when he created the thread

comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about the compensation, I’m talking about that paragraph I quoted.
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So why did hey abolish slavery in your opinion?

Don't tell me, it was out of the goodness of their hearts, right?


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It’s complex, but the main driver behind British abolitionism was a moral and theological one.

For many of the more conceited it was a false economy when Britain were starting to industrialise.

Not sure where you’ve got idea it was fear of rival powers, the fear of rival powers was their industrial capacity, not their slave capacity, which is why there were voices in Britain that considered supporting the South in the civil war as the feared America as an industrial power due to the North and wanted to break up the Union.

comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…I am your Premier League Champion (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Not one Egyptian mentioned though

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Salah?

Well some cants are putting Shakespeare on the list when we all know the monkey and typewriter paradox.
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Why bring pranks into this?

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about the compensation, I’m talking about that paragraph I quoted.
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So why did hey abolish slavery in your opinion?

Don't tell me, it was out of the goodness of their hearts, right?


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It’s complex, but the main driver behind British abolitionism was a moral and theological one.

For many of the more conceited it was a false economy when Britain were starting to industrialise.

Not sure where you’ve got idea it was fear of rival powers, the fear of rival powers was their industrial capacity, not their slave capacity, which is why there were voices in Britain that considered supporting the South in the civil war as the feared America as an industrial power due to the North and wanted to break up the Union.
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It was all about the cotton.

comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 34 seconds ago
How do you think the world today would have looked if Churchill bowed down to 95% of the British parliament and surrendered ?
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Why do people make up porkies to make their own heroes look good?

No, the British Parliament did not want Churchill to surrender. While there was a debate within the War Cabinet in May 1940 about whether to explore peace terms with Germany, Churchill and a majority of the Cabinet, as well as the broader Parliament, were determined to fight on. They believed that surrender would be a fatal blow to Britain and its empire.

95%
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The only reason why he didn't surrender is because he had the backing of King George the 6th.

Lord Halifax had the cabinet behind him in his support, whilst Neville Chamberlain was trying to undermine him.

comment by Waiting for Franko - He don't look at no walls when he's talkin (U23088)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…I am your Premier League Champion (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Not one Egyptian mentioned though

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Salah?
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Omar Sharif
Tommy Cooper

Gavrilo Princip. (1894-1918)

The trigger-man who tipped the whole world into a global conflict.

Which led to maps and entire empires being redrawn across the planet.

The genocides and mass displacements of entire populations. Wholesale demographic shifts behind many of the long-running conflicts we see today, over a century later.

Complete political upheaval across Europe and America, as a result of disproportionately high number of deaths among aristocratic men during the war. Revolutions, counter-revolutions..... voter reform legislation .....universal suffrage....national independence movements.....economic collapse.....etc.

Technological leaps in aviation, the use of small arms and heavy weaponry, medicine. etc.

Hastily written, one-sided, post-war political treaties that only served as fodder for an even deadlier war, some 20 years later. The deadliest war in history.

All this impact, and the little caant didn't even live past the age of 26.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about the compensation, I’m talking about that paragraph I quoted.
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So why did they abolish slavery in your opinion?

Don't tell me, it was out of the goodness of their hearts, right?


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It’s complex, but the main driver behind British abolitionism was a moral and theological one.

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Really? This reminds me of when they abolished slavery in America but allowed Jim Crow to reign for another 100 years. They did it because it was in their own interests to do so.

What moral is it to compensate the already rich beneficiaries of slavery and not give a dime to the slaves themselves? Those slave owners were still being paid until the last century, that's how much they got.

When you look at what the empire was doing and went on to do to then you have to be insane to believe in moral or theological reasons. Can't believe you'd fall for that "abolishing slavery" PR. They kept doing it, they went on to brutalise, colonies, kill millions and enslaved natives in their own lands and gave the practice names like "forced labour" when it was still slavery.

Don't forget that throughout all this timez the church was always at hand to provide spiritual guidance and scripture to support and justify these things.

I'm surprised you believe they'd do anything for moral.or theological reasons. Name one thing in history they did for those reasons.

comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 34 seconds ago
How do you think the world today would have looked if Churchill bowed down to 95% of the British parliament and surrendered ?
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Why do people make up porkies to make their own heroes look good?

No, the British Parliament did not want Churchill to surrender. While there was a debate within the War Cabinet in May 1940 about whether to explore peace terms with Germany, Churchill and a majority of the Cabinet, as well as the broader Parliament, were determined to fight on. They believed that surrender would be a fatal blow to Britain and its empire.

95%
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The only reason why he didn't surrender is because he had the backing of King George the 6th.

Lord Halifax had the cabinet behind him in his support, whilst Neville Chamberlain was trying to undermine him.
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Of course he was opposed, this is democracy and he wasn't the only one that wanted to be PM.

He had his backers and others had their backers.

You need to let go of this fantasy.

comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 34 seconds ago
How do you think the world today would have looked if Churchill bowed down to 95% of the British parliament and surrendered ?
========

Why do people make up porkies to make their own heroes look good?

No, the British Parliament did not want Churchill to surrender. While there was a debate within the War Cabinet in May 1940 about whether to explore peace terms with Germany, Churchill and a majority of the Cabinet, as well as the broader Parliament, were determined to fight on. They believed that surrender would be a fatal blow to Britain and its empire.

95%
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The only reason why he didn't surrender is because he had the backing of King George the 6th.

Lord Halifax had the cabinet behind him in his support, whilst Neville Chamberlain was trying to undermine him.
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Of course he was opposed, this is democracy and he wasn't the only one that wanted to be PM.

He had his backers and others had their backers.

You need to let go of this fantasy.
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OK, I do not have the energy to argue with you about this, but I assure you, just because you say it's a fantasy, it does not mean you are correct.

From the modern era, Tim Berners Lee?

Donald Trump, for doing more damage to America than anyone in its short history.

comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 34 seconds ago
How do you think the world today would have looked if Churchill bowed down to 95% of the British parliament and surrendered ?
========

Why do people make up porkies to make their own heroes look good?

No, the British Parliament did not want Churchill to surrender. While there was a debate within the War Cabinet in May 1940 about whether to explore peace terms with Germany, Churchill and a majority of the Cabinet, as well as the broader Parliament, were determined to fight on. They believed that surrender would be a fatal blow to Britain and its empire.

95%
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The only reason why he didn't surrender is because he had the backing of King George the 6th.

Lord Halifax had the cabinet behind him in his support, whilst Neville Chamberlain was trying to undermine him.
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Of course he was opposed, this is democracy and he wasn't the only one that wanted to be PM.

He had his backers and others had their backers.

You need to let go of this fantasy.
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OK, I do not have the energy to argue with you about this, but I assure you, just because you say it's a fantasy, it does not mean you are correct.
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OK, but majority were behind Churchill. You said 95% opposed him. Come on now.

comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about the compensation, I’m talking about that paragraph I quoted.
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So why did they abolish slavery in your opinion?

Don't tell me, it was out of the goodness of their hearts, right?


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It’s complex, but the main driver behind British abolitionism was a moral and theological one.

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Really? This reminds me of when they abolished slavery in America but allowed Jim Crow to reign for another 100 years. They did it because it was in their own interests to do so.

What moral is it to compensate the already rich beneficiaries of slavery and not give a dime to the slaves themselves? Those slave owners were still being paid until the last century, that's how much they got.

When you look at what the empire was doing and went on to do to then you have to be insane to believe in moral or theological reasons. Can't believe you'd fall for that "abolishing slavery" PR. They kept doing it, they went on to brutalise, colonies, kill millions and enslaved natives in their own lands and gave the practice names like "forced labour" when it was still slavery.

Don't forget that throughout all this timez the church was always at hand to provide spiritual guidance and scripture to support and justify these things.

I'm surprised you believe they'd do anything for moral.or theological reasons. Name one thing in history they did for those reasons.
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You seem incapable of separating the moral argument against slavery from racial equality and exploitation. It’s why your understanding of history is so bad.

comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…I am your Premier League Champion (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Not one Egyptian mentioned though

Let alone going back to Kemet

They basically laid the foundations for modern society
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The Mongols were a near invincible force in the 13th Century. With the largest contiguous territorial empire mankind has seen to date.

Sayf ad-Din Qutuz, the de-facto Egyptian Mamluk sultan, was the first to inflict a major defeat of the Mongolian advances.

Comprehensively halting their expansion into Arabia and Europe.