comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 13 minutes ago
Understand Manchester United and Trabzonspor have just counter signed all documents for Onana deal!

It’s all sealed and completed, story confirmed: Onana joins Trabzonspor on loan from Man United.

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1965055597763871009?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

Tears streaming down my face I thought this day would never come

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Never knew you supported Trabzonspor?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago

No, he's on loan, so he'll be back...
Do people not understand what a loaned out player is?

This club appears to just be kicking it's problems down the road, sending everyone out on loan with no real plan on what to do with these cants when they come back, e.g. Sancho.
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It's not about having no plan or competence in dealing with the transfer market. It's all about leverage. In every instance, this is about players who Ineos have inherited, on big contracts and massively underperforming. Clubs may be willing to take a punt on Sancho, Rashford, Antony, Hojlund and Onana, but why would they want to spend massive sums on them after their last couple of seasons? Getting most of those wages off our accounts is significant.
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Yes that's why I posted my second comment right after this one.
It gets the wages off the books, but most likely we will be losing money anyway as we can't sell them.

Aren't there a whole load of players go to Turkey and come back PDQ because the club just stops paying them?

Russian

Are you f-cking serious?!

As last season neared the end we heard every day about how vital it is to sell players over the summer because we're financially screwed and losing to Spurs compounded that with no CL money. We were told that without sales we would struggle to buy players because our finances are so bad, we were told that we were going to be ruthless and get rid of Sancho, Antony, Rashford etc. I literally stated we will struggle to sell these players and end up having to loan them and at no point was it said that loans would do, we had to sell to raise the money needed, these were the words coming out of every single journalist and fan at the time.

Then all of a sudden it transpired that we didn't actually need to sell players to raise the needed cash to buy and that we were financially fine all along (not a single journalist ever said this up until around the end of July because they didn't have a clue). Then the whole narrative changed to how great loans and sell on fees are (no one ever talked about these before this summer!) and how they'll save us money we need even though as I said we've never had issues loaning players, if that was all we needed to do then why was so much fuss made about getting rid when we'd done it several times before with the exact players we were supposedly going to struggle to sell (sorry loan, it changed didn't it).

Sancho, Rashford and Antony were'nt around the club last season when Amorim was around either and that didn't seem to make a difference we're being told about this bomb squad. The narrative 100% changed.

1982, talking about 'the narrative' is a bit confusing here. I certainly wasn't sure if you were talking about what people were saying on this forum or in the discourse or what journalists were reporting. And whichever it was, I don't really see a homogeneous view that was uncritically accepted by everyone in any of those categories. If your point was that the general understanding of our financial situation and the need to raise funds was very different at the start of the summer, then sure, no disagreement. I don't know if we've all been catfished by the club with the 'sell to buy' message - a sensible ploy to avoid getting rinsed by selling clubs - or whether a decision was made to borrow more to invest more.

The point I was making above wasn't really related to that though. It's that the quality of the work done by the front office in shipping players this summer shouldn't be measured against how much we'd ideally like in order to fund our spending aspirations. The outcome is determined by the value of the players to buying clubs + the degree of competition. I.e. United's poor performance in sales is to do with historic decisions to buy bad players and pay them too much etc. And City's good performance in sales isn't about Being Good at Selling, but about having high quality players whose salaries don't overvalue them.

Basically, I think we're talking at cross purposes, rather than fundamentally disagreeing on our respective points.

Fair enough, sorry for any confusion.

I'm not really saying we're bad, we probably did as well as we could considering the contracts our players are on and the character of some of these players. I guess my issue is more the media/journalists who we ultimately get most of our info from.

Hopefully we have finally realised the dangers of buying big names and giving out undeserved big contracts, it's been a failure for over a decade

The fact that any other club would take Onana is a miracle mind you if our Turk is anything to go by he will fit right in the Turkish league

I'm sure Onana will go on to have a decent career, he did well before he joined us and as we've seen countless times before, how players perform for us isn't necesserily an indication of their true ability.

He'll always have his brain farts (which is always a big issue for any keeper) but he also has good saves in him and is supposedly good with his feet (which was the main reason we supposedly bought him but never got to see).

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Don't care, he's gone. That's all that matters
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No, he's on loan, so he'll be back...
Do people not understand what a loaned out player is?

This club appears to just be kicking it's problems down the road, sending everyone out on loan with no real plan on what to do with these cants when they come back, e.g. Sancho.
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You can’t force clubs to buy them, esp when they’re on silly wages