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posted 23 minutes ago
Rarely agree with Simon Jordan and he is someone who has been having digs at Neville for the longest time and it's always come across as bitter jealousy to me, but for once I think he is right here.
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I think Jordan has a point regarding Neville’s property portfolio tbf. I mean we are in the middle of a housing crisis, many of the white middle aged men he is referring to can probably not afford adequate housing, and he’s building a £400m property development. (I’m not aware of whether any of it is social housing so happy to be corrected if it is).
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That too. It just comes across as hypocritical and contradictory among other things.
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Why is it so? He is allowed to complain about the state of society while working within the parameters to benefit himself. It is not like he is being unnecessarily exploitative.
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He is allowed of course but it appears I have just seen an angry white middle aged man come out and say something a bit divisive, as demonstrated by the reaction to what he said.
He talks about how he it's a great country and he's patriotic yet bemoans people who are putting flags up that for many will be a sign of their own patriotism.
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Of course it is divisive, people don’t like being challenged on negative behaviours. An example being there are lots of largely good people, who have viewpoints that have a racial bias or view point - but often kick off when challenged because it is easier to reject something than reflect.
I think we all understand his point regarding flags. It is targeted at the people who are using it for division.
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Right, the right wing racists who put them up, not representative of all white people who may be putting them up. Just like radical Islamists causing destruction not being representative of all Muslims, who he won't include in his rant.
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posted 23 minutes ago
Rarely agree with Simon Jordan and he is someone who has been having digs at Neville for the longest time and it's always come across as bitter jealousy to me, but for once I think he is right here.
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I think Jordan has a point regarding Neville’s property portfolio tbf. I mean we are in the middle of a housing crisis, many of the white middle aged men he is referring to can probably not afford adequate housing, and he’s building a £400m property development. (I’m not aware of whether any of it is social housing so happy to be corrected if it is).
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That too. It just comes across as hypocritical and contradictory among other things.
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Why is it so? He is allowed to complain about the state of society while working within the parameters to benefit himself. It is not like he is being unnecessarily exploitative.
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He is allowed of course but it appears I have just seen an angry white middle aged man come out and say something a bit divisive, as demonstrated by the reaction to what he said.
He talks about how he it's a great country and he's patriotic yet bemoans people who are putting flags up that for many will be a sign of their own patriotism.
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They aren’t putting them up to be patriotic, they’re putting them up to be intimidating to people of a different colour and nationality.
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You know this for a fact for everyone who has put them up?
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The people he’s talking about yes.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Spurtle, have you watched the video?
I feel like you haven’t - he didn’t need to caveat his point as it was very clear who he was aiming his point at.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Neville is completely removed from the reality that most people experience daily.
Perhaps he should ask himself why people are angry. In my experience, people's anger and frustrations will often manifest in different ways.
If life is hard, if things seems to be working against you, then the anger is not always directed towards those responsible, it is placed somewhere else. On a very simple level, everyone does that thing where something is stressing them out and they take it all out on the wife or the kids or whatever.
General discontent caused by a raft of possible issues breeds this anger and the relative handful of (largely) white middle aged men at the top, feeding that malcontent with their slant on what's causing that anger should be the focus of people's ire, not calling out massive swaths of the population from behind a gated, privileged, detached viewpoint.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Neville is completely removed from the reality that most people experience daily.
Perhaps he should ask himself why people are angry. In my experience, people's anger and frustrations will often manifest in different ways.
If life is hard, if things seems to be working against you, then the anger is not always directed towards those responsible, it is placed somewhere else. On a very simple level, everyone does that thing where something is stressing them out and they take it all out on the wife or the kids or whatever.
General discontent caused by a raft of possible issues breeds this anger and the relative handful of (largely) white middle aged men at the top, feeding that malcontent with their slant on what's causing that anger should be the focus of people's ire, not calling out massive swaths of the population from behind a gated, privileged, detached viewpoint.
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People are angry because they are racist. Obviously.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Neville is completely removed from the reality that most people experience daily.
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He is actually bang on. We are being divided instead of united.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 21 minutes ago
Spurtle, have you watched the video?
I feel like you haven’t - he didn’t need to caveat his point as it was very clear who he was aiming his point at.
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I have watched it. He hasn't made it clear in the vid that the angry white people are those in charge of creating these movements like Robinson, or the general flag raising public, but his views on the flag raising strongly suggest he sees these people as an extension of the problem.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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and Neville isnt on the of the side of the fence, he's in his 5 star luxury penthouse a safe distanced and secure boundary away from the fence, let alone anywhere near any such asylum hotels.
That is not me condoning a lack of compassion for desperate people coming to this country, there just needs to be far better management of the issue, one that at least reflects the concerns of people and communities.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Talking of flags...
https://x.com/DBW77/status/1975524786420723809
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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Because they are. You think people go protesting at hotels housing asylum seekers so they can wave a flag to show their patriotism?
If you believe that I have some magic beans to sell you.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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I am not sure I would limit this desire to divide and conquer as purely a 'zionist media' thing.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
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The NHS has always been staffed by a lot of immigrants though, it's not like they're the one crippling the system, they're often doing the jobs English people don't wanna do to keep it running smoothly.
The reason the NHS is overloaded is down to the government, not immigrants, IMO.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do zionists want people divided?
----------------‐‐----------------------------------------------------
Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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I am not sure I would limit this desire to divide and conquer as purely a 'zionist media' thing.
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Well they've been doing it in many places for many years to try and deflect from all sorts of stuff. At this time in history there's a lot of discord around Israel so it makes sense that's part of what they're trying to distract from, but if it wasn't that it would be something else.
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comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
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The NHS has always been staffed by a lot of immigrants though, it's not like they're the one crippling the system, they're often doing the jobs English people don't wanna do to keep it running smoothly.
The reason the NHS is overloaded is down to the government, not immigrants, IMO.
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Anyone who has even a basic working knowledge of the NHS knows this to be true. If we sent all the immigrants home tomorrow then it would fold in a day, and that’s not an exaggeration.
To suggest the NHS waiting list is down to immigration is laughable and quite frankly fvcking stupid if referencing asylum seekers.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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and Neville isnt on the of the side of the fence, he's in his 5 star luxury penthouse a safe distanced and secure boundary away from the fence, let alone anywhere near any such asylum hotels.
That is not me condoning a lack of compassion for desperate people coming to this country, there just needs to be far better management of the issue, one that at least reflects the concerns of people and communities.
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If there's one thing that really annoys me it's when those on the right, not suggesting you definitely are by the way, decide to label people like Gary Neville as a champagne socialist. So what if he is. That's admirable isn't it? You've got all the money in the world and you choose to care about something you're ultimately not going to be affected by. That makes his support all the more rewardable.
I don't care what's said in any of the other 350 comments on here - if you're taking Neville's comments as anything other than a real expression of human decency, you're an idiot. There's absolutely nothing offensive about what he said. Nothing whatsoever. The meatheads should just move on.
The irony is not lost on me that this pack of flag waving pigs scream all the time about their rights to free speech, but when someone like Neville pops up with his own opinions, they don't like it. Make your minds up lads.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
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The NHS has always been staffed by a lot of immigrants though, it's not like they're the one crippling the system, they're often doing the jobs English people don't wanna do to keep it running smoothly.
The reason the NHS is overloaded is down to the government, not immigrants, IMO.
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My point is that whether it is immigrants, or just massive natural population growth, the impact will be significant. As birth rate is nearly zero the imact comes fromimmigration.
Further, if that growth is mainly adults, then the impact will be much greater in certain areas compared to the same number of new births.
Immigrants keeping the NHS going is an entirely different argument. I am not making the case that it is not needed, or that they do not add positively to this country, just that to deny there is any harmful impacts on society from extremely high levels of immigration is simply not true.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I didn’t say that, I said to suggest the NHS waiting list is due to immigration (which is what a poster said) is absolute nonsense and these people should be roundly laughed at and mocked for bringing so stupid and swallowing Farage’s bollox.
As if Nigel Farage, ex-banker and chauffeur for Enoch Powell who wants to get rid of the NHS, cares anyway, but morons lap it up.
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posted 23 minutes ago
Rarely agree with Simon Jordan and he is someone who has been having digs at Neville for the longest time and it's always come across as bitter jealousy to me, but for once I think he is right here.
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I think Jordan has a point regarding Neville’s property portfolio tbf. I mean we are in the middle of a housing crisis, many of the white middle aged men he is referring to can probably not afford adequate housing, and he’s building a £400m property development. (I’m not aware of whether any of it is social housing so happy to be corrected if it is).
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That too. It just comes across as hypocritical and contradictory among other things.
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Why is it so? He is allowed to complain about the state of society while working within the parameters to benefit himself. It is not like he is being unnecessarily exploitative.
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He is allowed of course but it appears I have just seen an angry white middle aged man come out and say something a bit divisive, as demonstrated by the reaction to what he said.
He talks about how he it's a great country and he's patriotic yet bemoans people who are putting flags up that for many will be a sign of their own patriotism.
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Of course it is divisive, people don’t like being challenged on negative behaviours. An example being there are lots of largely good people, who have viewpoints that have a racial bias or view point - but often kick off when challenged because it is easier to reject something than reflect.
I think we all understand his point regarding flags. It is targeted at the people who are using it for division.
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Right, the right wing racists who put them up, not representative of all white people who may be putting them up. Just like radical Islamists causing destruction not being representative of all Muslims, who he won't include in his rant.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 47 minutes ago
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posted 23 minutes ago
Rarely agree with Simon Jordan and he is someone who has been having digs at Neville for the longest time and it's always come across as bitter jealousy to me, but for once I think he is right here.
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I think Jordan has a point regarding Neville’s property portfolio tbf. I mean we are in the middle of a housing crisis, many of the white middle aged men he is referring to can probably not afford adequate housing, and he’s building a £400m property development. (I’m not aware of whether any of it is social housing so happy to be corrected if it is).
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That too. It just comes across as hypocritical and contradictory among other things.
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Why is it so? He is allowed to complain about the state of society while working within the parameters to benefit himself. It is not like he is being unnecessarily exploitative.
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He is allowed of course but it appears I have just seen an angry white middle aged man come out and say something a bit divisive, as demonstrated by the reaction to what he said.
He talks about how he it's a great country and he's patriotic yet bemoans people who are putting flags up that for many will be a sign of their own patriotism.
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They aren’t putting them up to be patriotic, they’re putting them up to be intimidating to people of a different colour and nationality.
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You know this for a fact for everyone who has put them up?
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The people he’s talking about yes.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Spurtle, have you watched the video?
I feel like you haven’t - he didn’t need to caveat his point as it was very clear who he was aiming his point at.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Neville is completely removed from the reality that most people experience daily.
Perhaps he should ask himself why people are angry. In my experience, people's anger and frustrations will often manifest in different ways.
If life is hard, if things seems to be working against you, then the anger is not always directed towards those responsible, it is placed somewhere else. On a very simple level, everyone does that thing where something is stressing them out and they take it all out on the wife or the kids or whatever.
General discontent caused by a raft of possible issues breeds this anger and the relative handful of (largely) white middle aged men at the top, feeding that malcontent with their slant on what's causing that anger should be the focus of people's ire, not calling out massive swaths of the population from behind a gated, privileged, detached viewpoint.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Neville is completely removed from the reality that most people experience daily.
Perhaps he should ask himself why people are angry. In my experience, people's anger and frustrations will often manifest in different ways.
If life is hard, if things seems to be working against you, then the anger is not always directed towards those responsible, it is placed somewhere else. On a very simple level, everyone does that thing where something is stressing them out and they take it all out on the wife or the kids or whatever.
General discontent caused by a raft of possible issues breeds this anger and the relative handful of (largely) white middle aged men at the top, feeding that malcontent with their slant on what's causing that anger should be the focus of people's ire, not calling out massive swaths of the population from behind a gated, privileged, detached viewpoint.
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People are angry because they are racist. Obviously.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Neville is completely removed from the reality that most people experience daily.
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He is actually bang on. We are being divided instead of united.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 21 minutes ago
Spurtle, have you watched the video?
I feel like you haven’t - he didn’t need to caveat his point as it was very clear who he was aiming his point at.
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I have watched it. He hasn't made it clear in the vid that the angry white people are those in charge of creating these movements like Robinson, or the general flag raising public, but his views on the flag raising strongly suggest he sees these people as an extension of the problem.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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and Neville isnt on the of the side of the fence, he's in his 5 star luxury penthouse a safe distanced and secure boundary away from the fence, let alone anywhere near any such asylum hotels.
That is not me condoning a lack of compassion for desperate people coming to this country, there just needs to be far better management of the issue, one that at least reflects the concerns of people and communities.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Talking of flags...
https://x.com/DBW77/status/1975524786420723809
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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Because they are. You think people go protesting at hotels housing asylum seekers so they can wave a flag to show their patriotism?
If you believe that I have some magic beans to sell you.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do zionists want people divided?
----------------‐‐----------------------------------------------------
Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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I am not sure I would limit this desire to divide and conquer as purely a 'zionist media' thing.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
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The NHS has always been staffed by a lot of immigrants though, it's not like they're the one crippling the system, they're often doing the jobs English people don't wanna do to keep it running smoothly.
The reason the NHS is overloaded is down to the government, not immigrants, IMO.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do zionists want people divided?
----------------‐‐----------------------------------------------------
Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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I am not sure I would limit this desire to divide and conquer as purely a 'zionist media' thing.
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Well they've been doing it in many places for many years to try and deflect from all sorts of stuff. At this time in history there's a lot of discord around Israel so it makes sense that's part of what they're trying to distract from, but if it wasn't that it would be something else.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
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You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
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The NHS has always been staffed by a lot of immigrants though, it's not like they're the one crippling the system, they're often doing the jobs English people don't wanna do to keep it running smoothly.
The reason the NHS is overloaded is down to the government, not immigrants, IMO.
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Anyone who has even a basic working knowledge of the NHS knows this to be true. If we sent all the immigrants home tomorrow then it would fold in a day, and that’s not an exaggeration.
To suggest the NHS waiting list is down to immigration is laughable and quite frankly fvcking stupid if referencing asylum seekers.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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and Neville isnt on the of the side of the fence, he's in his 5 star luxury penthouse a safe distanced and secure boundary away from the fence, let alone anywhere near any such asylum hotels.
That is not me condoning a lack of compassion for desperate people coming to this country, there just needs to be far better management of the issue, one that at least reflects the concerns of people and communities.
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If there's one thing that really annoys me it's when those on the right, not suggesting you definitely are by the way, decide to label people like Gary Neville as a champagne socialist. So what if he is. That's admirable isn't it? You've got all the money in the world and you choose to care about something you're ultimately not going to be affected by. That makes his support all the more rewardable.
I don't care what's said in any of the other 350 comments on here - if you're taking Neville's comments as anything other than a real expression of human decency, you're an idiot. There's absolutely nothing offensive about what he said. Nothing whatsoever. The meatheads should just move on.
The irony is not lost on me that this pack of flag waving pigs scream all the time about their rights to free speech, but when someone like Neville pops up with his own opinions, they don't like it. Make your minds up lads.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public.
We have a had a poster on here say that immigration is the reason there is a NGS waiting list. Like, they actually believe that which is hilarious as it is sad.
Neville is spot on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot dismiss the impact of immigration out of hand like you have, you literally cannot.
Common-sense will tell you that 3.5 million new people to this country in 5 years WILL add to an already overloaded NHS system, as it will also contribute to housing shortages in an already undersupplied system, as it will add to the cost of the benefits system.
One interesting fact i read the other day was that of the circa 1m immigrants on benefits/UC, about 700k were from the EU, and about half of them were not working at all. Refugees were a small proportion of that number and about 1/5 were in employment.
Sure it is far from the only reason for the issues this country faces, and nor is it the biggest reason, but few, if any, are making that claim and if they are they are blinkered as anyone claiming that immigration "is not to blame for ANY issue affecting the general public".
Even Sir Keir has justified his changed right to stay policy on the basis that too many immigrants are unemployed and are a cost to the nation to the tune of billions.
To suggest, as you are, that Neville is right and the impact of immigration is effectively a figment of the
imagination of white middle aged men is to stick your head in the sand.
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The NHS has always been staffed by a lot of immigrants though, it's not like they're the one crippling the system, they're often doing the jobs English people don't wanna do to keep it running smoothly.
The reason the NHS is overloaded is down to the government, not immigrants, IMO.
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My point is that whether it is immigrants, or just massive natural population growth, the impact will be significant. As birth rate is nearly zero the imact comes fromimmigration.
Further, if that growth is mainly adults, then the impact will be much greater in certain areas compared to the same number of new births.
Immigrants keeping the NHS going is an entirely different argument. I am not making the case that it is not needed, or that they do not add positively to this country, just that to deny there is any harmful impacts on society from extremely high levels of immigration is simply not true.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I didn’t say that, I said to suggest the NHS waiting list is due to immigration (which is what a poster said) is absolute nonsense and these people should be roundly laughed at and mocked for bringing so stupid and swallowing Farage’s bollox.
As if Nigel Farage, ex-banker and chauffeur for Enoch Powell who wants to get rid of the NHS, cares anyway, but morons lap it up.
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