comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 3 minutes ago
oh Jesus, the day LIW and NJS are teaming up, we're all in trouble

I just hope faithy understands his side of the bed is taken now


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To be fair SPIT, they're teaming up with common sense. I can see why you feel it's out of place here.

comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 3 minutes ago
oh Jesus, the day LIW and NJS are teaming up, we're all in trouble

I just hope faithy understands his side of the bed is taken now


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To be fair SPIT, they're teaming up with common sense. I can see why you feel it's out of place here.
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element of truth there Milks pal

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 3 minutes ago
oh Jesus, the day LIW and NJS are teaming up, we're all in trouble

I just hope faithy understands his side of the bed is taken now


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To be fair SPIT, they're teaming up with common sense. I can see why you feel it's out of place here.
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element of truth there Milks pal
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“Element of Truth”…great name for a racehorse!

in all honesty, obviously West ham is not must win...

I think for fans moral, and hope, it 'feels' like it is... logically, and without the emotion of football, of course.

and I think you'll find I pushed 'feels' all along here... , just sayin

Farke has said he knows the nature of managing in the EPL with the extreme pressure and the threat of the sack ramped up by every result good or bad and he's paid handsomely and if results go poorly and is dismissed would receive a few million in compensation plus he'd not be short of managerial offers commanding another decent salary so I personally don't get too emotionally hung up or angry or feel sorry for DF if he is given the boot after West Ham or a couple of weeks later.

I also don't buy into the idea that there isn't someone who could do better with the squad we have and guide us to safety but it's whether our owners can get them that concerns me and we end up with a Russell Martyn or another cheap option that isn't any better than Farke.

So it's game by game now and with that threat of dismissal hanging over Farke's head even more so it would seem after Burnley it might bring out the fight or flight survival instincts in him and he not only inspires his side to win tomorrow but keeps chipping away and sticking around grinding out results that dont give the owners any just cause to fire him which defeat tomorrow I think will whether some on here want to face that uncomfortable truth or not there are plenty of social media rumours flying around to suggest this but for the time being I expect and feel optimistic of a win against West Ham so a stay of execution for Daniel this week at least.

comment by Macca & The Rhythm Sticks/Crutching Peacock Hidden Ferret (U8194)
posted 4 minutes ago
Farke has said he knows the nature of managing in the EPL with the extreme pressure and the threat of the sack ramped up by every result good or bad and he's paid handsomely and if results go poorly and is dismissed would receive a few million in compensation plus he'd not be short of managerial offers commanding another decent salary so I personally don't get too emotionally hung up or angry or feel sorry for DF if he is given the boot after West Ham or a couple of weeks later.

I also don't buy into the idea that there isn't someone who could do better with the squad we have and guide us to safety but it's whether our owners can get them that concerns me and we end up with a Russell Martyn or another cheap option that isn't any better than Farke.

So it's game by game now and with that threat of dismissal hanging over Farke's head even more so it would seem after Burnley it might bring out the fight or flight survival instincts in him and he not only inspires his side to win tomorrow but keeps chipping away and sticking around grinding out results that dont give the owners any just cause to fire him which defeat tomorrow I think will whether some on here want to face that uncomfortable truth or not there are plenty of social media rumours flying around to suggest this but for the time being I expect and feel optimistic of a win against West Ham so a stay of execution for Daniel this week at least.
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Excellent Post

Some fans just overstate what a manager can do in my opinion. Farke puts us in position to win games every week, the fact we haven't is down to a lack of quality in key positions. Sure maybe he could be more adventurous, try more with his subs. But there's no evidence that would make a difference. It's just hunches from people. They might be right, might not be.

We were expected to be relegated by the bookies before a ball was kicked. We're not in the relegation zone now.

The time to seriously consider replacing a manager is when the team looks beaten, is getting rolled over without a fight. That time may come, because we bust a gut every week and if we dont get the rewards confidence will go and losing can become a habit. But the idea that someone can wave a magic wand and improve DCLs finishing, morph us into prime Barcelona overnight? It's not happening.

Let me give an example. Do I think Bielsa is a better manager than Marsch. Yes. MB was amazing for us. Do I think we were right to sack Bielsa when we did? Sadly, yes. Because that team was done... 20+ goals conceded in a month, and his only answer was to flog them harder, becaue that's his make-up. Any change was going to bring some relief.

Do I think we were right to sack Marsch? No, certainly not when we did it. We were actually playing with fight and had been really unlucky in the previous games.

Unless you have a squad that is underperforming for its talents and/or an exceptional manager waiting in the wings, sacking a manager is folly.

Excellent Milky, as usual

Excellent post Milky

As others have said West Ham have some good players in Bowen, Paqueta and even our old boy Summerville. They are well capable of causing us problems tomorrow night and now have a manager who knows how to make a team hard to beat.

I just hope they do not start their comeback tomorrow as we are well known for being very charitable to teams which are on terrible runs.

Some fans just overstate what a manager can do in my opinion.

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Agree with that. Some managers can drag out more from players (i.e. Bielsa), but eventually that catches up or opposition suss them out and work round tactics.

Farke can only do the job with the resources. I actually don't think he's doing that bad so far. Sunderland seem to have signed good players (always liked Xhaka at Arsenal), but they'll likely see a dip in results as the season goes on.

Tomorrow night isn't make or break for me, unless they were to properly turn us over. I'm just looking forward to a pre-match beer, choc brownie and good match.

We're in the EPL again. Never was going to be easy.

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 7 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Let’s get rid of all this ‘brown stuff’…which is getting
lots of momentum on this forum….

It’s called footballl played in a league and this is
what happens…you win, lose or draw…where you
expecting something else?!
Where you the fan comes in, is this…you support
the team through win, lose or draw, every week,
every season, every decade, every century…do you
all understand…well said, me!
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Dont think sky hyping games up helps ( six pointer blah blah blah)

Its 8 games in, we will win points we didnt expect, we will lose points we expected.

Its football, thats what happens

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nothing like stating the bloody obvious.

comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted about 5 hours ago
Excellent post Milky
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Don't agree on the Bielsa or Marsch comments but agree that firing Farke would be wrong. should have fired him last year. too sentimental these owners.
would give him a chance to keep us up and then a chance to get us back up if he fails.
Then fire him.

I don't agree with the anti Bielsa either!..

When he was sacked much needed players were returning from injury, suspension, whatever, if he'd had some of those players earlier he would have kept his job!..

Actually didn't agree with the Bielsa stuff but thought that the rest was bang on.

march should never have been given the job, and was sacked far too late.

‘Unless you have a squad that is underperforming for its talents and/or an exceptional manager waiting in the wings, sacking a manager is folly.’
By your reasoning, Milky, Man U should have gotten rid of Ferguson after his first season, Arsenal should have got rid of Arteta and what would you have done after Thomas Frank won just one of his first ten games wit Brentford?
There are always other managers and different systems and out of form players. And we can always comment wisely with hindsight.
Farke has performed well in the past two seasons but are his limitations beginning to outweigh his strengths? That’s the big question for me.

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 39 minutes ago
march should never have been given the job, and was sacked far too late.
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True. Now he's got the Canada job and it's hard to tell if he's doing well or not.
We'll see next year I guess.

comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 16 minutes ago
‘Unless you have a squad that is underperforming for its talents and/or an exceptional manager waiting in the wings, sacking a manager is folly.’
By your reasoning, Milky, Man U should have gotten rid of Ferguson after his first season, Arsenal should have got rid of Arteta and what would you have done after Thomas Frank won just one of his first ten games wit Brentford?
There are always other managers and different systems and out of form players. And we can always comment wisely with hindsight.
Farke has performed well in the past two seasons but are his limitations beginning to outweigh his strengths? That’s the big question for me.

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This. He was always just good enough for the championship when he had the best team but doesn't fill me with confidence now.
Just seems a little stubborn in changing formations when injuries dictate it.

Thought the Bielsa Marsch comments would rattle some cages. If you read what I put without an emotional lens, there’s nothing negative about Bielsa unless you think implying he was stubborn is a criticism.

The point was about timing.

Likewise wakey, once you’d bought players for his system and made it as far as February, it was the wrong time to sack him. And although everyone hated his football we were unlucky in the games leading up to his sacking… and we had no one lined up.

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 10 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 16 minutes ago
‘Unless you have a squad that is underperforming for its talents and/or an exceptional manager waiting in the wings, sacking a manager is folly.’
By your reasoning, Milky, Man U should have gotten rid of Ferguson after his first season, Arsenal should have got rid of Arteta and what would you have done after Thomas Frank won just one of his first ten games wit Brentford?
There are always other managers and different systems and out of form players. And we can always comment wisely with hindsight.
Farke has performed well in the past two seasons but are his limitations beginning to outweigh his strengths? That’s the big question for me.

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This. He was always just good enough for the championship when he had the best team but doesn't fill me with confidence now.
Just seems a little stubborn in changing formations when injuries dictate it.
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You think he had the best players at Norwich?

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 11 hours, 58 minutes ago
march should never have been given the job, and was sacked far too late.
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Agreed. We went from a possession based side to a counter attacking team. It was a disastrous appointment. We should have gone for someone who played a more similar style to Bielsa. We went for someone totally different and it was a disaster.

I'm with Mont ref Farke,

Think we had a squad almost embarrassingly strong and it took Farke two years to get us promoted, there were frailties there and there was a lot of talk even at the end of this season to sack him and find better, which is a nod in its self that there are a lot more doubters out there than just your average 'sack the manager campaigners.

but you have to acknowledge Farkes qualities - without doubt a brilliant man manager and dealt with some very awkward situations very well.

All in all, tactically, as Ive said a few times and tried to show some back up as to why I've formed that opinion I just don't think he's that strong, by tactically I mean the whole umbrella, as in, sub timings, formations, game planning etc, changing games when see something needs changing etc.

thinking back to Beilsa, it took him two years to get us up too, and you could argue that tactically, he could get some things wrong too... but hell, it felt different, it was different, because Bielsa had a starting 11 that had to incclude Stuart Dalls, Alioski, KP (as found out now), Bamford.. a real bang average championship side... to (the first season) a PL side that finished what 9th?.. beating man city and pinging decent sides all over the place... again, with Stuart Dalls, Alioski, KP (as found out now), Bamford.. a real bang average championship side

that was impressive

Beyond Arsenal I think we've been set up to be competitive in every match. Some better, some poorer performances - but overall we've done okay so far as a newly promoted side. If Sunderland are doing better, recruited better - time will tell and i'm not really bothered in truth. They had the economics they were working to, we had our own. No one knows the picture on that. I think we've gambled on some of recruitment, hoping some find form and retain fitness.

We weren't picking players from the top table of options. Paixao went elsewhere as i reckon he didn't fancy a lower half/relegation struggle with us, as opposed to Monaco (was it?). I don't blame him in truth.

Be good to get a result tonight - but the season isn't over if we don't. Just applying pressure to matches too soon.

comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
‘Unless you have a squad that is underperforming for its talents and/or an exceptional manager waiting in the wings, sacking a manager is folly.’
By your reasoning, Milky, Man U should have gotten rid of Ferguson after his first season, Arsenal should have got rid of Arteta and what would you have done after Thomas Frank won just one of his first ten games wit Brentford?
There are always other managers and different systems and out of form players. And we can always comment wisely with hindsight.
Farke has performed well in the past two seasons but are his limitations beginning to outweigh his strengths? That’s the big question for me.

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Strange comment Farkey

You pick the caveat from a post in a thread where I’m arguing the case for not sacking a manager amongst a sea of posters who think differently.

Then you give examples of managers who were given time and went on to be a success?? You’re making my point for me, thanks!

I provided a couple of exceptions to the rule but would have thought it was pretty obvious (clearly not!) that I think managers should be given time to get their ideas across and a few windows to recruit to their needs… before applying those exceptions.

So no… I wouldn’t have sacked Ferguson, arteta or frank - but it’s clear a chunk of other posters on here would have done. And they’re entitled to think it’s time for Farke to go. All opinions innit