Fred, your attitude stinks, what gives you the right to call people who disagree with you?

I have read the article, he says he doesn't like the way the rights are split at the moment i.e. he wants to take money away from smaller clubs, that is what we have issue with.

The 'wanting to start a debate' is PR speak to try and disguise what he said, nothing else. A host of top clubs have said no to debating it so its never going to happen.

I'm having a go at people who are completely ignoring the real interview with the man they are all insulting.

I lose count of the amount of times I've seen how Liverpool want to "break away" when that is simply not true.

So if a football club finishes higher in the table, and has more games shown in each country, do you not think they deserve a greater share of the money?

And 50% would still be shared out evenly amongst the clubs, if the system in the UK is applied.

And how dare you tell me my attitude stinks, when you go on and berate my club on pure lies despite me continually trying to show you the real interview. It's no wonder I'm a little frustrated.

And how dare you tell me my attitude stinks, when you go on and berate my club on pure lies despite me continually trying to show you the real interview. It's no wonder I'm a little frustrated.

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I am berating you because you have been calling my fellow fans morons, I have read your LFC interview and I have made points on it, which you have ignored a number of times.

Have you even looked at my points? thought not.

The fact of the matter is that other 'big teams' are happy with the way the PL is funded, the PL is a democracy, always has been always will be and there is no appetite for any changes or a 'debate'.

Jesus, you talk about me avoiding the points, which I don't think I read because I'm not on here that much outside of office hours, my apologies, but then you avoid this simple question.

So if a football club finishes higher in the table, and has more games shown in each country, do you not think they deserve a greater share of the money?

So if a football club finishes higher in the table, and has more games shown in each country, do you not think they deserve a greater share of the money?

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Don't they get a performance bonus at the moment?

As far as I'm aware LFC signed up to the current deal, they knew what is happening, so don't really have any room to complain ...

Your turn ....

I will first answer your above post. They do get a performance bonus, as far as I'm aware that is nothing to do with TV rights, if you can provide me a source to say I'm wrong here I will happily accept that.

But I will split up the question for you, so you can't ignore this point.

If a football club has more games shown than another football club, surely the first football club merits a greater share than the latter?

I will answer the rest of your points in a separate comment to ensure you don't forget to answer the above question.

Can I just ask, do you think the extra revenue make Liverpool a force again?

No, I don't think that it will automatically make us title contenders, and if it comes into fruition, the small amount of money we will receive will just reward success like it should, rather than just splitting the cake evenly, even though some teams will be broadcast far less than others.
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Well I heard him say it on the news or was that doctored as well.

I just wonder were he got his facts from ......

I've not actually heard him say this one (referring to nobody wanting to watch Bolton) however this would be a ridiculous point as there are those who are Bolton fans abroad.
With regards to where he got his facts from, he is probably in a much better position to judge than any of us on here.
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i.e. he wants Liverpool to get more money and the smaller clubs to get less .... whether that is due to individual rights or the share of the TV rights gets changed.

Do you think Liverpool can compete with Barca if they get more money?

See first response.

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Foreign TV? or domestic?

If its foreign then I honestly don't care, Domestic, you seem to be getting confused as Ayres has been on about international TV.

You don't care about foreign TV, despite the fact that that is what this whole issue is about. And yet have the guts to say my attitude stinks. I sense you just being devil's advocate, and before I lose the respect I have for you and the fans of your club, a club I actually have quite a soft spot for, I am out.

I don't care about foreign TV because I never watch it.

Anyway onto your points,


If a football club has more games shown than another football club, surely the first football club merits a greater share than the latter?

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Liverpool signed the deal, they shouldn't be moaning about it now. How do you know that Liverpool have more games shown abroad, it would be extremely difficult to work it out ....

We have had a change in ownership and a change in direction since the signing of this deal, and since only 14 clubs have to say yes to the deal, who is to say Liverpool agreed with it.

You say football is a democracy, which means the majority of opinions are taken into consideration.

The UK is a democratic government, but I'm sure there are some disgruntled Labour voters out there...

And don't be utterly ridiculous, of course the Premier League knows which games are shown where, they are the ones selling the TV packages!!!

The UK is a democratic government, but I'm sure there are some disgruntled Labour voters out there...

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14 out 20 is a bigger number than 363 out of 650 which the current number of seats the government hold.

Also, I doubt many Labour politicians go out and offend large parts of the country which Ayres did ....

And don't be utterly ridiculous, of course the Premier League knows which games are shown where, they are the ones selling the TV packages!!!

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How many countries in the world watch the Premier league? it would take ages to sort out exactly how much each club is shown ...

So what you are trying to say, is that the authorities have no idea what games are shown?

Is that REALLY your point here?

Ok then, fair enough point about our current parliament, but how about the French election in 02. Nobody wanted Le Pen, obviously as he is a racist bigot, so 82% of the vote went to Chirac.

Were people happy with Chirac, of course not, he was the lesser of two evils. So don't pretend that just because it's the chosen option, it's popular with everybody.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élection_présidentielle_française_de_2002

Also to answer your question, I think and don't quote me, the PL is shown in 202 countries.

So what you are trying to say, is that the authorities have no idea what games are shown?

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No, it would be a waste of resources trying to work how much to give each team i.e. how much a country paid, how much a team is shown there, it would be an unessessary waste of resources when the majority of the league doesn't want it.

Moses.

The TV companies know how many games they show per year, they tell the Premier League and then the PL have the number.

Simple.

You try to justify your managing directors ridiculous comments with rhetoric, which I'm suprprised at because I didn't know anyone from L'pool could do it.

Domestically you already get more than most teams as broadcasting money is not shared equally as you might think.

There are 3 elements where payments to Prem clubs are concerned andthey obviously do favour the top 4 clubs.

1. An equally shared initial payment.

2. A merit award dependent on final position in the table. Last season 800k/place.

3. Sky must show a minimum of 10 and a maximum of 24 games of any club each season. For this the home team receive a "facilities fee" which was just a tad under 500k/game last season.

As for oversees rights, do you suggest we hold a referendum in the 200 countries we sell it to, to find out who is supported the most and allocate money accordingly??

You say it only takes 14 from 20 teams to vote against the current overseas deal, when you MD would look even far more ridiculous if you said it only takes 6 out of 20 to agree.

Until we have a top 14 instead of a top 4, it aint going to happen, so your MD should stop making a fool of himself and concentrate on getting you back into the top 4.

6 out of 20 to agree.

*6 out of 20 to disagree.

I also think your MD is talking krapp when he mentioned English clubs are disadvantaged in Europe by comparing Real & Barca as examples, as last time I looked at the Deloitte club rich list, ManC & ManU were quite a way ahead of them in valuation.

Fred, I wish it would be that easy but with all big organizations, it would end up in a bureaucratic mess, teams won't get payments on time, their cash flow buggers up, businesses won't get paid.

Its simply not worth it so that a few clubs can get an extra few million.

No you're wrong it's just 'that easy'.

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Moses

No really, you are wrong. You obviously really do not know much about business! If you really honestly do not believe that the PL don't care how many games are shown worldwide you really need your head checked.

That is you saying that grass is blue just to cause an argument.

No really, you are wrong. You obviously really do not know much about business! If you really honestly do not believe that the PL don't care how many games are shown worldwide you really need your head checked.

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Were have I said the Premier league don't care, nowhere. All I am saying is that like all large organizations there is bound to be some sort of mess up somewhere down the line, I don't want to put any clubs at risk just so clubs that don't need the money can become richer.

Dearie dearie me. The premier league know the games that are shown abroad, stop arguing for argument's sake you are making a fool out of yourself.

Fair enough, you never mentioned that, but the PL need to know the games that are shown. The TV companies know the games they will know, and provide that information to the premier league.

I work in a business much bigger than the Premier League and I could easily find out, to the nearest cent (I work in Europe) how much we spend on every single one of our 7500 suppliers, and that's just for my department.

If you think the PL is more complex than that then I repeat, you are deluded.

Yet again resorting to insults ...

Anyway, the entire argument we are having is pointless as its not going to happen ....

Fred

You don't know very much about business if you think it is that simple regarding overseas rights. The Prem are only interested on the number of zeros on the cheque.

As I said, we sell all the Prem games "en block" to 200 countries which means we sell the rights to 200 different media groups.

Each country has a right to show as many or as little of those games as they see fit. A lot of countries broadcast all of them live, some don't.

If you think it would be easy for the Prem to monitor 200 different media groups coverage of these games in countries all with different legal juristdictions, you are on another planet fella.