Is cabr*n a racial insult in Spain?

Siempre

Just had a word with a Venezuelan friend who assures me that Uruguayan and Spanish cultures are very very different. He spent some time in Uruguay, and regularly goes to Getafe on business.

I'm not taking sides here but as far as i was aware spanish for "niigger" was "negro" and "negrito" means bold

but it might have a different meaning...

also yes people are correct "niigger" is not taken as offencivly in spanish speaking countrys. I'm not condoning it just saying!

I don't care, you're all a bunch of English tosspots, anyway...

I don't buy that argument Fred. I am pretty sure after you made the mistake once, you didn't go on to say it another nine times to the same person. Suarez saw the reaction he was getting from Evra (we all saw how riled Evra was getting) and went on to say it another nine times if Evra is to be believed. So the defence of innocent mistake does not wash if that is proven to be true.

Evra is a frog.

There we go I said it. Lock me up.

Siempre

I agree with this, but players wind themselves up on a football field all the time, that is totally normal. Doesn't mean he was trying to be racist.

comment by Fred Bassett - Liverpool FC is hot as hell... (U3979) posted 1 minute ago

But the point I'm trying to make is that Suarez wasn't intending to be offensive in what he said.

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For goodness sake go read what Rushiesmoustache has written.

If you seriously believe Suarez wasn't trying to wind up Evra then it's pointless discussing this with you. Jeez. It's what footballers of Suarez's ilk do.

URM

Read what I just said.

Is cabr*n a racial insult in Spain?

No - it literally means a goat , but is very insulting in Spain, but to a friend it is not offensive

Bizarrely it is on the list of banned words on JA606

Fred, shut up!

Suarez meant it as an insult, plain and simple. The whole lost in translation thing is a bullcrap excuse.
You're telling me that Suarez assumed that Evra knew what he meant? And its Evra who is in the wrong because, crap, he just doesn't get Latin society!?

Unbelievable!


If anything its patronising, after speaking to the ref he pats him on the head and says "aaaawe, little black guy".

Friggin morons

Siempre Rojo aka tenemos diecinueve (U1560)



Yes I wrote a longer paragraph and couldnt work out which word was blocking my post

My point in my earlier post was that there are lots of insults used on the football field that are insulting, not necessarily racially motivated that would land you with a good kicking if you shouted them at a stranger in a bar.

Alright you utter idiots let me break it down for you.

There is a difference between WINDING SOMEBODY UP and being RACIST.

He may have been trying to be WINDING EVRA UP, but the whole point is that what he said is considered RACIAL, which Suarez does not believe is the case.

Like talking to a brick wall.

comment by Fred Bassett - Liverpool FC is hot as hell... (U3979)

posted 8 minutes ago

But the point I'm trying to make is that Suarez wasn't intending to be offensive in what he said.
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What tosh. I cannot believe someone put that down with a straight face.

But the point I'm trying to make is that Suarez wasn't intending to be offensive in what he said.
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I misspoke here, and since you lot are all so pedantic let me clarify what I meant.

Suarez did not mean to be RACIALLY offensive.

another point, again in respect of Spain and not necessarily Uruguay, is that racism is quite tollerated and common here. If this incident had happened in Spain no-one would bat an eyelid. Just look at what happened to Arogones - not much.

If he wasn't trying to be racially offensive, why make reference to his colour.

Siempre

In France, being racist towards minorities is a huge deal. So much so that saying somebody is a different race when describing somebody can be considered offensive.

"I was talking to John the other day, the black guy from Procurement" - this is unnacceptable in France, due to the history they've got here.

So there is another class of cultures, as France is EXTREMELY anti-racism (although I've been racially abused more than once by some Algerians here before).

comment by Fred Bassett - Liverpool FC is hot as hell... (U3979) posted 2 minutes ago

Alright you utter idiots let me break it down for you.

There is a difference between WINDING SOMEBODY UP and being RACIST.


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Yes there is

But winding someone up by USING a term about skin colour is being racist.

You need to think about what you are saying before calling me an utter idiot please

If someone called Suarez "Un nino de la playa" be honest, without lookin it up would you be able to tell the difference between the colloquial and local meaning of the phrase. I guess not. But i bet any money Suarez knew exactly what he meant to impart whatever it was he said.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316) posted 1 minute ago

If he wasn't trying to be racially offensive, why make reference to his colour.

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You won't get a sensible answer on this one from him I'm afraid

Right sod it. This argument is going nowhere, and I'm doing it on limited sleep.

Sorry to offend any of you guys, this isn't the only debate I've had today. I've spent all day being told English food is crap, so had to defend that too.

None of you are idiots, I'm just bloody tired and fed up with this issue to begin with and wanted to get the linguistical, cross-cultural point accross.

But now I'm officially out.

It means " Boy of the Beach". Has no reference to race or colour. I lived there for ten years, dont try to tell me what he meant. I know it and if you were honest so you would admit it.

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I have the advantage of a Spanish keyboard.
I can do upside down question marks too

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thats not a spanish keyboard thats dark magic!!!!

This man is a dark wizard!!!!