People to choose to be alcoholics. In fact every alcoholic would choose not to be. When you have it all; money aplenty, it is even more difficult as you can buy as much as you want, as much as you need to pass out.
Regardless, what he did on the pitch was outstanding. These old cliches that he drank his career away are nonsense. I mean he played for United until he was 28, not 24. He made nearly 400 appearances for them.
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No George Best insults please. Actually get off my article all of you, this isn't about which player's toe hurt the most!
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Kind of trivialising the discussion considering it has taken in the two greatest tragedies of our clubs history's..
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
No George Best insults please. Actually get off my article all of you, this isn't about which player's toe hurt the most!
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Kind of trivialising the discussion considering it has taken in the two greatest tragedies of our clubs history's..
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Oh behave yourself you clown.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Regardless, what he did on the pitch was outstanding. These old cliches that he drank his career away are nonsense. I mean he played for United until he was 28, not 24. He made nearly 400 appearances for them.
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I dont care about his career. That was his own choice. But someone was good enough to donate their liver after they were gone. That was the liver of someone's son, daughter, mother or father. He had a second chance and he threw it away. Someone else more worthy could have had that liver.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Regardless, what he did on the pitch was outstanding. These old cliches that he drank his career away are nonsense. I mean he played for United until he was 28, not 24. He made nearly 400 appearances for them.
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I dont care about his career. That was his own choice. But someone was good enough to donate their liver after they were gone. That was the liver of someone's son, daughter, mother or father. He had a second chance and he threw it away. Someone else more worthy could have had that liver.
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It is not a simple yes and no choice. It is a disease. I advise you to visit the AA website and read up a little on it, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about; once again.
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It is not a simple yes and no choice. It is a disease. I advise you to visit the AA website and read up a little on it, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about; once again.
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I know plenty about alcoholism mate, as I do drug addiction. Alcoholism as a disease is a theory, not a proven. There are plenty in the medical world that do not agree. Either way, it can be overcome. If Best didnt want to overcome it the first time around then that is up to him. My personal view is that once he was given that liver he should have made a real concerted effort and im not at all convinced he did.
I've seen mates who were addicted to smack for more than 10 years and who I thought were as good as dead come back and sort their lives out. These lads were living on the street and didnt have the wealth and support that Best had - but they still managed it. And there are plenty of alcoholics who do just the same.
So please don't tell what I do or don't know simply because I don't agree with you opinion.
And whats with all the insults anyway?
Lets get one things straight.
Alcoholism is not a disease...its an addiction. Its like smoking which is also an addiction. Its a persons choice to drink in the same way its someones choice to take drugs and its someones choice to smoke and its someones choice to be homosexual.
Nobody poured alcohol down Bests neck, he chose to drink, and chose to become addicted to it. In the same way its peoples choice to smoke and become addicted to tobacco.
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Let me explain the word ''addiction'' Now this is coming from someone that was addicted to cigarettes. When I was a smoker, the first thing I did in the morning was have a smoke, and the last thing at night was..have a smoke. At one stage I used to get up in the middle of the night..to smoke.
Alcoholics do exactly the same thing..they have a drink first thing in the morning..and last thing at night, and may even get up in the middle of the night for a drink.
Alcoholism is not a disease..like smoking...its an addiction.
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Comparing cigarette addiction to alcoholism is ridiculous.
Alcoholics feel like they HAVE to drink. it destroys their body and their mind. It is a disease. I smoke and have never felt like I had to smoke, to deal with depression or I had to smoke because of any other reason than I crave the addiction.
Again for people who don't know what they're talking about, just visit the AA website.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Comparing cigarette addiction to alcoholism is ridiculous.
Alcoholics feel like they HAVE to drink. it destroys their body and their mind. It is a disease. I smoke and have never felt like I had to smoke, to deal with depression or I had to smoke because of any other reason than I crave the addiction.
Again for people who don't know what they're talking about, just visit the AA website.
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I have for the last 17 years or so smoked socially when I have a drink. But I have never been addicted. I am fortunate in that I don't have an addictive personality/genetic make up. However, there are those who aren't as fortunate who do feel like they need to smoke in the same way as alcoholics feel they need to drink. They can also get depressed in the same way.
I wouldnt say that it is as bad as alcoholism, but they do share many characteristics.
The bottom line is no-one forced Best to drink. He could have stopped if he had wanted to enough and taken that second chance he got.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Comparing cigarette addiction to alcoholism is ridiculous.
Alcoholics feel like they HAVE to drink. it destroys their body and their mind. It is a disease. I smoke and have never felt like I had to smoke, to deal with depression or I had to smoke because of any other reason than I crave the addiction.
Again for people who don't know what they're talking about, just visit the AA website.
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I have for the last 17 years or so smoked socially when I have a drink. But I have never been addicted. I am fortunate in that I don't have an addictive personality/genetic make up. However, there are those who aren't as fortunate who do feel like they need to smoke in the same way as alcoholics feel they need to drink. They can also get depressed in the same way.
I wouldnt say that it is as bad as alcoholism, but they do share many characteristics.
The bottom line is no-one forced Best to drink. He could have stopped if he had wanted to enough and taken that second chance he got.
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Throughout history many people have wanted to stop but couldn't that's why we have groups like AA. Alcohol damages the mind, it becomes a disease, as you want to stop and go into depression because you can't, which in turn, turns you to alcohol, to deal with it. It's a vicious circle. This is heightened when you have a lot of money.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Throughout history many people have wanted to stop but couldn't that's why we have groups like AA. Alcohol damages the mind, it becomes a disease, as you want to stop and go into depression because you can't, which in turn, turns you to alcohol, to deal with it. It's a vicious circle. This is heightened when you have a lot of money.
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We all know this.
Still doesnt mean you cant stop. My personal view is that Best owed it to the family of the donor to stop drinking.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Throughout history many people have wanted to stop but couldn't that's why we have groups like AA. Alcohol damages the mind, it becomes a disease, as you want to stop and go into depression because you can't, which in turn, turns you to alcohol, to deal with it. It's a vicious circle. This is heightened when you have a lot of money.
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We all know this.
Still doesnt mean you cant stop. My personal view is that Best owed it to the family of the donor to stop drinking.
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I completely agree with that. I was angry with that at the time, more for the people on the waiting list who George jumped ahead of.
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People to choose to be alcoholics. In fact every alcoholic would choose not to be. When you have it all; money aplenty, it is even more difficult as you can buy as much as you want, as much as you need to pass out.
Regardless, what he did on the pitch was outstanding. These old cliches that he drank his career away are nonsense. I mean he played for United until he was 28, not 24. He made nearly 400 appearances for them.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
No George Best insults please. Actually get off my article all of you, this isn't about which player's toe hurt the most!
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Kind of trivialising the discussion considering it has taken in the two greatest tragedies of our clubs history's..
posted on 25/1/12
don't choose*
posted on 25/1/12
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
No George Best insults please. Actually get off my article all of you, this isn't about which player's toe hurt the most!
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Kind of trivialising the discussion considering it has taken in the two greatest tragedies of our clubs history's..
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Oh behave yourself you clown.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Regardless, what he did on the pitch was outstanding. These old cliches that he drank his career away are nonsense. I mean he played for United until he was 28, not 24. He made nearly 400 appearances for them.
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I dont care about his career. That was his own choice. But someone was good enough to donate their liver after they were gone. That was the liver of someone's son, daughter, mother or father. He had a second chance and he threw it away. Someone else more worthy could have had that liver.
posted on 25/1/12
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posted on 25/1/12
omment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Regardless, what he did on the pitch was outstanding. These old cliches that he drank his career away are nonsense. I mean he played for United until he was 28, not 24. He made nearly 400 appearances for them.
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I dont care about his career. That was his own choice. But someone was good enough to donate their liver after they were gone. That was the liver of someone's son, daughter, mother or father. He had a second chance and he threw it away. Someone else more worthy could have had that liver.
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It is not a simple yes and no choice. It is a disease. I advise you to visit the AA website and read up a little on it, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about; once again.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
It is not a simple yes and no choice. It is a disease. I advise you to visit the AA website and read up a little on it, as you clearly have no idea what you're talking about; once again.
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I know plenty about alcoholism mate, as I do drug addiction. Alcoholism as a disease is a theory, not a proven. There are plenty in the medical world that do not agree. Either way, it can be overcome. If Best didnt want to overcome it the first time around then that is up to him. My personal view is that once he was given that liver he should have made a real concerted effort and im not at all convinced he did.
I've seen mates who were addicted to smack for more than 10 years and who I thought were as good as dead come back and sort their lives out. These lads were living on the street and didnt have the wealth and support that Best had - but they still managed it. And there are plenty of alcoholics who do just the same.
So please don't tell what I do or don't know simply because I don't agree with you opinion.
And whats with all the insults anyway?
posted on 25/1/12
Lets get one things straight.
Alcoholism is not a disease...its an addiction. Its like smoking which is also an addiction. Its a persons choice to drink in the same way its someones choice to take drugs and its someones choice to smoke and its someones choice to be homosexual.
Nobody poured alcohol down Bests neck, he chose to drink, and chose to become addicted to it. In the same way its peoples choice to smoke and become addicted to tobacco.
posted on 25/1/12
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posted on 25/1/12
Let me explain the word ''addiction'' Now this is coming from someone that was addicted to cigarettes. When I was a smoker, the first thing I did in the morning was have a smoke, and the last thing at night was..have a smoke. At one stage I used to get up in the middle of the night..to smoke.
Alcoholics do exactly the same thing..they have a drink first thing in the morning..and last thing at night, and may even get up in the middle of the night for a drink.
Alcoholism is not a disease..like smoking...its an addiction.
posted on 25/1/12
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posted on 25/1/12
Comparing cigarette addiction to alcoholism is ridiculous.
Alcoholics feel like they HAVE to drink. it destroys their body and their mind. It is a disease. I smoke and have never felt like I had to smoke, to deal with depression or I had to smoke because of any other reason than I crave the addiction.
Again for people who don't know what they're talking about, just visit the AA website.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Comparing cigarette addiction to alcoholism is ridiculous.
Alcoholics feel like they HAVE to drink. it destroys their body and their mind. It is a disease. I smoke and have never felt like I had to smoke, to deal with depression or I had to smoke because of any other reason than I crave the addiction.
Again for people who don't know what they're talking about, just visit the AA website.
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I have for the last 17 years or so smoked socially when I have a drink. But I have never been addicted. I am fortunate in that I don't have an addictive personality/genetic make up. However, there are those who aren't as fortunate who do feel like they need to smoke in the same way as alcoholics feel they need to drink. They can also get depressed in the same way.
I wouldnt say that it is as bad as alcoholism, but they do share many characteristics.
The bottom line is no-one forced Best to drink. He could have stopped if he had wanted to enough and taken that second chance he got.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Comparing cigarette addiction to alcoholism is ridiculous.
Alcoholics feel like they HAVE to drink. it destroys their body and their mind. It is a disease. I smoke and have never felt like I had to smoke, to deal with depression or I had to smoke because of any other reason than I crave the addiction.
Again for people who don't know what they're talking about, just visit the AA website.
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I have for the last 17 years or so smoked socially when I have a drink. But I have never been addicted. I am fortunate in that I don't have an addictive personality/genetic make up. However, there are those who aren't as fortunate who do feel like they need to smoke in the same way as alcoholics feel they need to drink. They can also get depressed in the same way.
I wouldnt say that it is as bad as alcoholism, but they do share many characteristics.
The bottom line is no-one forced Best to drink. He could have stopped if he had wanted to enough and taken that second chance he got.
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Throughout history many people have wanted to stop but couldn't that's why we have groups like AA. Alcohol damages the mind, it becomes a disease, as you want to stop and go into depression because you can't, which in turn, turns you to alcohol, to deal with it. It's a vicious circle. This is heightened when you have a lot of money.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Throughout history many people have wanted to stop but couldn't that's why we have groups like AA. Alcohol damages the mind, it becomes a disease, as you want to stop and go into depression because you can't, which in turn, turns you to alcohol, to deal with it. It's a vicious circle. This is heightened when you have a lot of money.
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We all know this.
Still doesnt mean you cant stop. My personal view is that Best owed it to the family of the donor to stop drinking.
posted on 25/1/12
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Throughout history many people have wanted to stop but couldn't that's why we have groups like AA. Alcohol damages the mind, it becomes a disease, as you want to stop and go into depression because you can't, which in turn, turns you to alcohol, to deal with it. It's a vicious circle. This is heightened when you have a lot of money.
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We all know this.
Still doesnt mean you cant stop. My personal view is that Best owed it to the family of the donor to stop drinking.
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I completely agree with that. I was angry with that at the time, more for the people on the waiting list who George jumped ahead of.
posted on 25/1/12
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