Wow let some steam off there .... I hope KD has the balls to bring sum of the reserves till the end of the season watched them today playing a very strong everton side and were amazing... We aint got 4th 6 th at best so why bloody not... Owen changed thingswhen he started so many moons ago

Did he win you a league though, KK is your problem, K.

Last weekend I posted about how disillusioned i am with the current team and Kennys performance as a manager. I was roundly booed off these pages. I can only imagine this was because its immoral to criticize kenny as he is a living legend. However, as you OP, point out, we are quite a large bag of $h!te right now.

The main argument I got was that we are a 'work in progress'. I see no progress, but feel free to elighten me.

We are 27 points off the top of the league. Last year we finished 22 off the top. Progress?

Last year we finished 12 points ahead of Newcastle. We spent around 125mil, bought two of their 'best' players and are now 5 points behind them. Progress?

Kenny spent that 125mil and has a whopping 4 points more than Roy Hodgsons WBA.

Last year we won 17 games. It looks like this year we have won 10. Can we win 8 of the last 12 to show some progress? Unlikely.

Last year we scored 59 goals. This year we have spent 35mil on a striker and have now got 30 goals. Another 30 in the next 12 games will represent progress.

We have to look to the future aparently. We have young players like Carroll, Spearing, Hendo.... are you confident.

The club is stagnant. 18 months under the new owners and where are we with the new stadium?? Nowhere. We have now been bypassed by spurs and newcaslte. No disrespect to Spurs and Newcastle, but come on. We are now Aston Villa.Someone please explain the progress under Kenny.

And dont give me this sh it about playing nice football that creates lots of chances.

"All we need is a goal scoreer!"

Well we've had 3 transfer windows since the new guys took over, and still no goalscorer.

This season has been a bit of a shambles but not all of our own making, I think the improvement is there because we are just saying our luck needs to change instead of 'we were atrocious and didn't look like they wanted to be on the park', so things have improved in that sense. Gerrard has been out forever (shouldn't be relying on him but we do), difficult to say suarez isn't a natural goal scorer, how many did he get at ajax in his last season? He creates chances and should be scoring, ok he's a little bit off right now but with the season he's had, I think it's expected. I think that has had a major bearing on our season too, not making excuses, I just think things would've been different had he not been suspended for 8 games and if there hadn't been that elephant in the room constantly when we should've been concentrating on football.

Fair do though, Carrol could be better by now and like you say we need someone else to take up the charge when suarez isn't firing properly.

Lastly, we seem to want quick fixes all the time, ok, you don't like the term WIP but that's what it was always meant to be, however, they really need to pull their finger out a bit by the looks of things.

Get Rafa back in

I'm not having any of this 'we are just unlucky' nonsense. Luck will balance itself out.

I saw a stat the other day (which I can't find now, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong) that says we haven't won a league game Gerrard has started. So that'd not an excuse we can use.

Beyond that, after witnessing 22 years of league failure, I'm not expecting quick fixes. I'm just saying that so far, Kenny has taken us backwards from where Hodgson left us

We are playing much better than last season, period. The results will come. We can beat almost anyone in the world on our day, that was not the case last season.

Beyond that, after witnessing 22 years of league failure, I'm not expecting quick fixes. I'm just saying that so far, Kenny has taken us backwards from where Hodgson left us

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Ridiculous statement, do you realise where Hodgson left us? We may have gone backwards from the end of last season (when Kenny took over) but we have certainly progressed since Hodgson!!!

I've got to agree that the statement about going back from where Hodgson left us is tosh. We were relegation fodder and when kenny came in the club was lifted and we improved 10 fold. The problem I have is that under Kenny last term we won 10/18 games, this season we've won 10/27 games. That is not improvement!

I did an article yesterday and was shouted down and told that I knew nothing about how football clubs are run by Robbing and repeatedly told that we have improved this season because we're 1 point better off with a game in hand than we were this time last year. The fact that we had our worst start since the dawn of time last season and would have won the league if it had started in January did not matter.

After the summer window shut and we had the squad, we were playing nice football and dominating teams at home. I along with everyone else thought (we get a goal scorer in january and were sorted) then came the Suarez incident and we knew we would be with out him for 6-8 weeks from the beginning of January. The priority should have been 1 signing as soon as the window opened, a decent striker who knows where the goal is. We were repeatedly told (we've got money, we've definitely got money) all the way through January untill the end of the window and most of the experts on here banged on about ( the club does it's bussiness in private, chill out a goal scorer will come) didn't though did it? Now we're told by the same experts, that were a work in progress and (by Toor) that it's not the squad that's the problem and we shouldn't blame the manager, it's the Tactics that are the problem! I,e playing 5 at the back against stoke at home!

Question is, who picked the players we signed and who implements the tactics we play! Thae fact that we've been bypast by Newcastle and are sitting just 3 points ahead of Norwich and stoke is rediculous but I was also told that I'm arrogant to think we should not be around those teams!!!!!!! Really!

King suarez

I agree 100% with what your saying.

I feel we've been let down by the players more than anything. I wouldn't be sad to see Carroll, Adam, and Downing leave in the summer.

I said something similar to this yesterday and was called a disgrace.

Kenny has been a lot better than Hodgson, there's no denying that but look at these win percentages:

Hodgson - Aug 10 to January 11 - 35%
Dalglish - January 11 to May 11 - 55%
Dalglish - Aug 11 to December 11 - 47%
Dalglish - January 11 to March 12 - 14%

It does seem like a decline since Dalglish took over, but in fairness he was magnificent at the start. I can't make head or tail of what I think of him but if it was, say, Roy Hodgson churning up these results we'd want him out straight away.

The fact that we didn't sign a striker in January is criminal!

Everyone knew we needed a striker in january.... Suarez was banned for 8 games, Carroll was being his usual self an Bellamy can't play every game.
After watching the reserve game yesterday i don't see why we don't give Ecclestone a chance, he looked much better than Carrol, closing players down, good with link up play and he's not afraid to have a go. i don't see what we've got to lose really.

The young lads have got to be given a chance sometime or another, or you end up with the situation like we had with Tom Ince. Never got his chance in the first team, became dishaerted and left the club. He's been getting regular game time in a much more competitive and physical level in the championship and he's banging them in! We need to start introducing the likes of Ecclestone, Sterling and Suso from the bench with around 30 mins left and before anyone says they'd get kicked to death.

In the Mini Derby yesterday, Everton had!

Jagielka
Coleman
Rodwell
Osman
Anichebe
Barkley

All first teasers and with plenty of premier league exprience, our most exprienced outfield player was Connor Cody and we dominated them! Get the kids in!!!!

We need to start introducing the likes of Ecclestone, Sterling and Suso from the bench with around 30 mins left and before anyone says they'd get kicked to death.

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I agree - it was one of the things I praised Hodgson for.

He gave the youngsters the chance and now we've just left them out to dry again.

This thread has upset me

Don't get get

I don't see why there not given a chance, they outplayed Everton yesterday. Surely they can't be worse than Carroll or Adam. Andre Wisdom's going to be a top player, excellent performance yesterday.

tactics? good enough, we dominate, play attacking football and create a billion and one chances

players? good enough, we dominate, play attacking football and create a billion and one chances

finishing?

I totally agree with giving the youngsters a chance.
I get a little tired of hearing 'He's one for the future'. If a player is good enough he is old enough.
If the 'He's still too young' attitude had prevailed a few years back, the likes of Fowler and Owen would probably have never played for us, but would have sat in the youth / reserve teams for a few years and then gone somewhere else.

As for Suarez; to be honest I don't see him as a natural striker, I see him as a great player who creates chances and scores some goals. We need someone who will bust a gut to get in the box when Suarez has the ball.
At the moment our strikers (aka Carroll) seem to have the attitude of waiting to see what Suarez is going to do, when they should be getting into danger areas and giving him the options of something to do with the ball!

>.If the 'He's still too young' attitude had prevailed a few years back, the likes of Fowler and Owen would probably have never played for us

I disagree

they were so good they forced their way into the side.