Nobody don't not know nuffin they don't not!
But that won't stop speculation, belief of made up stories in comics, and FAHKTS!
That's the thing with rumours. According to the rumour mill yesterday, he has signed for Juve and will be on 20k a week which makes the 45k a week rumour ridiculous.
Ignore the rumours until its on the Utd website
Either way, 20 or 45k a week I Can see why he would be off. He may not even make it at utd and to get a 4 year deal on that sort of money is gonna financially set him up for life.
Juve are a tad crazy to offer it though, I didnt exactly think they were flush with cash, he's all potential atm.
It's strange how Darren Gibson had obviously displayed enough of what it takes to get into the first team and establish himself as part of the first team squad, and yet many enjoyed criticising him and wanted rid of him, and were happy when he went.
Now we have Pogba who's obviously not displayed enough of what it takes to get in the first team and yet people are concerned that he's not signing a new contract and are dismayed that he could be leaving.
Go Figure!!!
Of course its true. We just have to accept it with or without confirmation I reckon. Everyone in the country is talking about it and Fergie responds to a journalist as if it was the first he heard about it. Then you have to take into consideration that he was left out of the reserve squad and was made to train with the rest of the reserves who didnt play. His numbers up unfortunately. Although I doubt he's actually signed a contract, probably agreed a deal in principle, I hope there's a turnaround and he realises how stupid he's being.
I'm really bored with Pogba now. Just get rid. All this hype about him and he's done nothing! He's not the first played to be called the next best thing and he won't be the last. Seen it all before have we not?
Just think of all the players over the last 20 years who were supposed to be the next Keane or South American superstar equivalent. How many are you still talking about 5 years later? Less than 1 percent I reckon.
Logic has to come in to it. He may turn out to be a very good player but who cares. It's not as if he's the captain of the first team and irreplacable is it?
Lambsy is spot on about Gibson.
Stretty, if Pogba is as good as he thinks then he shouldnt have to worry about setting himself up financially for life at his age. You can be a very average footballer and be sorted financially in this day.
If that is his incentive to leave United now he really mustn't rate his prospects in the football industry much.
I think he just wants to play football now to be honest. SAF has come out 4 or 5 times and said it's his time, that he is ready and not given him the chance. When he has played he certainly hasn't looked out of place, so I don't know what Lambsy is talking about, Gibson never had enough to his game.
Rumours I've heard are up to 1m Euros a year so just under 20k a week, so i doubt it's money he is moving for, I'm sure he'd not be a million miles off that at Utd. I think he has just become disillusioned with the constant promise of game time, plus his agent obviously doing his best to force a move. It must be difficult at 18, I think fans fotget what football means to a footballer.
Stretty, if Pogba is as good as he thinks t
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Thing is we dont know how good he thinks he is, a lot of people are basing assumptions on the lad based on pure conjecture.
Personally I wont be too fussed if he goes, he is after all merely a reserve.
Would be funny though, two of the midfielders of 3 that were spose to be the next 10 years at the club leaving within the space of ten months.
Some of the hype about these players has been nothing short of ridiculous.
I hope next time people apply some logic before spouting off that this guy or that guy from the reserves is the next big thing.
To be fair, we've had a pretty tough run in since Fergie said what he did about Pogba with every game being a Cup Final. It's been too risky to interupt an already flakey midfield. Fergie wants the league so badly this season he needs to make sure he plays his best team who have the experience of winning titles. Had we remained in the FA Cup I'm almost certain Pogba would have played.
Paul should understand that.
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 8 minutes ago
"so I don't know what Lambsy is talking about, Gibson never had enough to his game."
Well I guess you must reckon Sir Alex doesn't know what he's doing either!!!
Thank God we have you to turn to when he retires!!!
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083) posted 4 minutes ago
I think he just wants to play football now to be honest. SAF has come out 4 or 5 times and said it's his time, that he is ready and not given him the chance
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We're chasing City to the title
Now is not the time to test an 18 year old in a crucial position in United first XI, particularly with the form Carrick is in. The guy needs more experience away from a title fight
Seems pretty obvious to me why he isn't getting much of a chance as yet
If you were the manager, would you really be playing a complete teenage rookie in a title fight with City?
SAF is a little cleverer than that
Well I guess you must reckon Sir Alex doesn't know what he's doing either!!!
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Yeah thats why he got sold, because he was good enough.
You make sacrifices for the good of the team and if Pogba can't see that, then quite frankly I'm not sure I want him at the club. Would be a massive risk to insert Pogba into the team right now. Fergie would face the wrath of the fans. Especially if say he dropped Scholes or Cleverley and we missed out on the title. Many fans would be banging on about if Clevs or Scholes were in, we would have won the league.
comment by JeremyKyleNation (U1041) posted 54 seconds ago
You make sacrifices for the good of the team and if Pogba can't see that, then quite frankly I'm not sure I want him at the club. Would be a massive risk to insert Pogba into the team right now. Fergie would face the wrath of the fans.
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Although you are right about the risk, even if SAF did play him and we lost, the only fans he would be facing the wrath from are plastic ones. The Stretty would be applauding him down the tunnel as always
Lambsy & UnitedRedMacca
I don't think he should be playing, you are twisting my words. The fact Sir Alex has come out on a number of occasions, bigged the lad up to the media and public, said he is ready to play, said it's time to give him a chance, and never given him that chance.
I don't think he should keep bringing him up or refuse to answer questions about him.
Just my opinion, but when you are being lied to at 18, you are bound to lose faith.
I don't really care if he goes, I just think it's sad the club let their best young players contracts run own to this stage. To get another player to the level of Pogba will either cost us about £10m, or 3 years of coaching. If he isn't good enough, we should have got him on a contact, we'd have got at least £3/4m for him. Instead we will lose him for what 1 or 2 hundred k? Doesn't make business sense as much as it doesn't make footballing sense to me.
Busbybabes
I would guess that if a club such as Juventus had to pay a transfer fee of £3-4 m for him, then they wouldn't be offering to pay him the wage he seeks.
kramthered
I'm sure he could probably get the 19k a week he 'seeks' at Old Trafford to be honest.
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 23 minutes ago
I think he just wants to play football now to be honest.
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It's got nothing at all to do with football. Why would he think at 18 with almost no first team football experience whatsoever, literally none in Italian football, that he is going to walk into the central midfield of a top 2 side in Serie A? I think players like Pirlo might just keep him at bay. He's closer to United's first team than Juventus', and he would have less obstacles at United given he's already integrated with the squad and English football, and there's players just about to retire ahead of him, and a fellow youngster he could dovetail with.
On top of that Juventus are linked with loads of mids at the moment, even today the press are saying that Juventus want Essien and Song to start with them next season. Are they going to forget reinforcing with senior players because they've now bought Pogba?
Pogba hasn't played more first team games yet, because SAF rightly given our league position thought we needed more experience centrally most of the time while the team was coping with crippling injuries, and when Pogba was lined up to play he missed the team bus!!
Then there were disciplinary issues that stopped him playing against the likes of Ajax, and above all that if Pogba really just wanted first team football he only needed to sign the contract.
SAF couldn't start playing him in the first team regularly while he was refusing to sign a contract about to run out and his agent was trying to get him a transfer abroad. What does that say to the other players and do you think SAF should advertise the lad in his final months to get him even more offers?
Let's assume he did play him and he played a stormer? Wouldn't that make things worse in terms of salary demands and offers? Would United have then caved in to his demands and broken their wage structure for an 18 year old with a few games under his belt, and risk disrupting the whole squad as a result of everyone suddenly demanding massive rises, including any new buys? That would simply push the ratio of salary to income above a safe 50%. Can you really justify paying a kid more than some of the first team squad and internationals?
This had zero to do with game time and everything to do with his agents £2m commission and Pogba getting an early windfall.
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083) posted 7 minutes ago
Lambsy & UnitedRedMacca
I don't think he should be playing, you are twisting my words. The fact Sir Alex has come out on a number of occasions, bigged the lad up to the media and public, said he is ready to play, said it's time to give him a chance, and never given him that chance.
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I doubt SAF was talking about the PL run in bud.
He'll get chances possibly in the Europa and would have had chances in the FA Cup if we hadn't drawn City and Liverpool away in the 3rd and 4th rounds
The situation that has arisen in that we are out of the FA cup and we sit just 2 points behind city has more than likely made SAF have to delay his chances when in truth SAF will have meant what he said at the time
Pogba needs to learn from players like Berba and Park. Sometimes you just have to have a little patience, particularly at only 18
I'm pretty sure United have the option to extend his contract for a year, like we did with Berba's, so SAF is still in control of this one and is just testing the attitude of the lad.
If he would rather play for Juve than spending a couple of years learning from the like of Scholes Giggs Rooney and Sir Alex then the guy is a fool
18 years old and chomping at the bit on the very fringe of becoming a United player, being bigged up by the boss, and he isn't happy
I'd be floating on air if I was in his boots. Doesn;t he realise he is living a dream that millions of yougetsers worldwide would do for free?
Busby, and now you're worried about the business sense of the saga; do me a favour!!!
UnitedRedMacca
That's part of the problem, you seeing it from a fans point of view. It's not as easy being a professional footballer, at 18, when you have your agent and probably family saying do one thing, people at the club another.
It's easy to say as a Man Utd fan, be loyal to the club, just have some patients, one day you'll make it.
I just don't think SAF should be promising things to the lad in the media if he isn't going to fulfill them. He came on against Stoke and he played very well, was that not the PL?
Again, I don't want him starting PL games, I'm just stating SAF has handled this situation wrongly. In the grand scheme of things, who cares, but I don't see anywhere along the line with Pogba he has handled the situation right in the public eye.
Lambsy. I'm not worried, I just don't think Sir Alex handled the whole Pogba siutation very well. He might not be as good as everything noce thought, but that isn't the point. Barca tie all their kids down for 4/5 years, we let most of ours get to the 18 month period which allows a player to have some control.
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 19 minutes ago
Lambsy & UnitedRedMacca
Doesn't make business sense as much as it doesn't make footballing sense to me.
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Arghh it makes perfect business sense!! You dont run a bankrupted company do you?
How is it good business sense to give a kid with no experience whatever his agent demands, and more than some of the experienced loyal players ahead of him? How is it good business sense to risk a queue of 20 players outside your door also demanding excessive pay rises or they'll refuse to sign a new contract? Do you seriously think caving in to Pogba, only means you pay Pogba more, and that has no impact on any other player, or his demands, or a new signings salary demands? You think when the likes of Sneijder see United are willing to break their structure to pay a inexperienced kid 45k a week, that they will lower their salary demands to fit the structure of the club? You think no other agent will learn from Raiolo? What about Fryers agent? Shall we give Fryers 45k a week as well because it's hard to say to him, well we think Pogba's better than you even though you've played more, so you only deserve 5k a week.
Do you think it's sensible to have a dangerous salary to ratio income? Why do you think the club has a pay structure and control this ratio?
Please please please stop looking at Pogba in isolation and start broadening your view a little to take account of the impact on the whole club medium term and long term.
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posted on 8/3/12
Nobody don't not know nuffin they don't not!
But that won't stop speculation, belief of made up stories in comics, and FAHKTS!
posted on 8/3/12
Do people really care?!
posted on 8/3/12
That's the thing with rumours. According to the rumour mill yesterday, he has signed for Juve and will be on 20k a week which makes the 45k a week rumour ridiculous.
Ignore the rumours until its on the Utd website
posted on 8/3/12
Either way, 20 or 45k a week I Can see why he would be off. He may not even make it at utd and to get a 4 year deal on that sort of money is gonna financially set him up for life.
Juve are a tad crazy to offer it though, I didnt exactly think they were flush with cash, he's all potential atm.
posted on 8/3/12
It's strange how Darren Gibson had obviously displayed enough of what it takes to get into the first team and establish himself as part of the first team squad, and yet many enjoyed criticising him and wanted rid of him, and were happy when he went.
Now we have Pogba who's obviously not displayed enough of what it takes to get in the first team and yet people are concerned that he's not signing a new contract and are dismayed that he could be leaving.
Go Figure!!!
posted on 8/3/12
Of course its true. We just have to accept it with or without confirmation I reckon. Everyone in the country is talking about it and Fergie responds to a journalist as if it was the first he heard about it. Then you have to take into consideration that he was left out of the reserve squad and was made to train with the rest of the reserves who didnt play. His numbers up unfortunately. Although I doubt he's actually signed a contract, probably agreed a deal in principle, I hope there's a turnaround and he realises how stupid he's being.
posted on 8/3/12
I'm really bored with Pogba now. Just get rid. All this hype about him and he's done nothing! He's not the first played to be called the next best thing and he won't be the last. Seen it all before have we not?
Just think of all the players over the last 20 years who were supposed to be the next Keane or South American superstar equivalent. How many are you still talking about 5 years later? Less than 1 percent I reckon.
Logic has to come in to it. He may turn out to be a very good player but who cares. It's not as if he's the captain of the first team and irreplacable is it?
posted on 8/3/12
Lambsy is spot on about Gibson.
Stretty, if Pogba is as good as he thinks then he shouldnt have to worry about setting himself up financially for life at his age. You can be a very average footballer and be sorted financially in this day.
If that is his incentive to leave United now he really mustn't rate his prospects in the football industry much.
posted on 8/3/12
I think he just wants to play football now to be honest. SAF has come out 4 or 5 times and said it's his time, that he is ready and not given him the chance. When he has played he certainly hasn't looked out of place, so I don't know what Lambsy is talking about, Gibson never had enough to his game.
Rumours I've heard are up to 1m Euros a year so just under 20k a week, so i doubt it's money he is moving for, I'm sure he'd not be a million miles off that at Utd. I think he has just become disillusioned with the constant promise of game time, plus his agent obviously doing his best to force a move. It must be difficult at 18, I think fans fotget what football means to a footballer.
posted on 8/3/12
Stretty, if Pogba is as good as he thinks t
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Thing is we dont know how good he thinks he is, a lot of people are basing assumptions on the lad based on pure conjecture.
Personally I wont be too fussed if he goes, he is after all merely a reserve.
Would be funny though, two of the midfielders of 3 that were spose to be the next 10 years at the club leaving within the space of ten months.
Some of the hype about these players has been nothing short of ridiculous.
I hope next time people apply some logic before spouting off that this guy or that guy from the reserves is the next big thing.
posted on 8/3/12
To be fair, we've had a pretty tough run in since Fergie said what he did about Pogba with every game being a Cup Final. It's been too risky to interupt an already flakey midfield. Fergie wants the league so badly this season he needs to make sure he plays his best team who have the experience of winning titles. Had we remained in the FA Cup I'm almost certain Pogba would have played.
Paul should understand that.
posted on 8/3/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 8 minutes ago
"so I don't know what Lambsy is talking about, Gibson never had enough to his game."
Well I guess you must reckon Sir Alex doesn't know what he's doing either!!!
Thank God we have you to turn to when he retires!!!
posted on 8/3/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083) posted 4 minutes ago
I think he just wants to play football now to be honest. SAF has come out 4 or 5 times and said it's his time, that he is ready and not given him the chance
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We're chasing City to the title
Now is not the time to test an 18 year old in a crucial position in United first XI, particularly with the form Carrick is in. The guy needs more experience away from a title fight
Seems pretty obvious to me why he isn't getting much of a chance as yet
If you were the manager, would you really be playing a complete teenage rookie in a title fight with City?
SAF is a little cleverer than that
posted on 8/3/12
Well I guess you must reckon Sir Alex doesn't know what he's doing either!!!
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Yeah thats why he got sold, because he was good enough.
posted on 8/3/12
You make sacrifices for the good of the team and if Pogba can't see that, then quite frankly I'm not sure I want him at the club. Would be a massive risk to insert Pogba into the team right now. Fergie would face the wrath of the fans. Especially if say he dropped Scholes or Cleverley and we missed out on the title. Many fans would be banging on about if Clevs or Scholes were in, we would have won the league.
posted on 8/3/12
comment by JeremyKyleNation (U1041) posted 54 seconds ago
You make sacrifices for the good of the team and if Pogba can't see that, then quite frankly I'm not sure I want him at the club. Would be a massive risk to insert Pogba into the team right now. Fergie would face the wrath of the fans.
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Although you are right about the risk, even if SAF did play him and we lost, the only fans he would be facing the wrath from are plastic ones. The Stretty would be applauding him down the tunnel as always
posted on 8/3/12
Lambsy & UnitedRedMacca
I don't think he should be playing, you are twisting my words. The fact Sir Alex has come out on a number of occasions, bigged the lad up to the media and public, said he is ready to play, said it's time to give him a chance, and never given him that chance.
I don't think he should keep bringing him up or refuse to answer questions about him.
Just my opinion, but when you are being lied to at 18, you are bound to lose faith.
I don't really care if he goes, I just think it's sad the club let their best young players contracts run own to this stage. To get another player to the level of Pogba will either cost us about £10m, or 3 years of coaching. If he isn't good enough, we should have got him on a contact, we'd have got at least £3/4m for him. Instead we will lose him for what 1 or 2 hundred k? Doesn't make business sense as much as it doesn't make footballing sense to me.
posted on 8/3/12
Busbybabes
I would guess that if a club such as Juventus had to pay a transfer fee of £3-4 m for him, then they wouldn't be offering to pay him the wage he seeks.
posted on 8/3/12
kramthered
I'm sure he could probably get the 19k a week he 'seeks' at Old Trafford to be honest.
posted on 8/3/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 23 minutes ago
I think he just wants to play football now to be honest.
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It's got nothing at all to do with football. Why would he think at 18 with almost no first team football experience whatsoever, literally none in Italian football, that he is going to walk into the central midfield of a top 2 side in Serie A? I think players like Pirlo might just keep him at bay. He's closer to United's first team than Juventus', and he would have less obstacles at United given he's already integrated with the squad and English football, and there's players just about to retire ahead of him, and a fellow youngster he could dovetail with.
On top of that Juventus are linked with loads of mids at the moment, even today the press are saying that Juventus want Essien and Song to start with them next season. Are they going to forget reinforcing with senior players because they've now bought Pogba?
Pogba hasn't played more first team games yet, because SAF rightly given our league position thought we needed more experience centrally most of the time while the team was coping with crippling injuries, and when Pogba was lined up to play he missed the team bus!!
Then there were disciplinary issues that stopped him playing against the likes of Ajax, and above all that if Pogba really just wanted first team football he only needed to sign the contract.
SAF couldn't start playing him in the first team regularly while he was refusing to sign a contract about to run out and his agent was trying to get him a transfer abroad. What does that say to the other players and do you think SAF should advertise the lad in his final months to get him even more offers?
Let's assume he did play him and he played a stormer? Wouldn't that make things worse in terms of salary demands and offers? Would United have then caved in to his demands and broken their wage structure for an 18 year old with a few games under his belt, and risk disrupting the whole squad as a result of everyone suddenly demanding massive rises, including any new buys? That would simply push the ratio of salary to income above a safe 50%. Can you really justify paying a kid more than some of the first team squad and internationals?
This had zero to do with game time and everything to do with his agents £2m commission and Pogba getting an early windfall.
posted on 8/3/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083) posted 7 minutes ago
Lambsy & UnitedRedMacca
I don't think he should be playing, you are twisting my words. The fact Sir Alex has come out on a number of occasions, bigged the lad up to the media and public, said he is ready to play, said it's time to give him a chance, and never given him that chance.
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I doubt SAF was talking about the PL run in bud.
He'll get chances possibly in the Europa and would have had chances in the FA Cup if we hadn't drawn City and Liverpool away in the 3rd and 4th rounds
The situation that has arisen in that we are out of the FA cup and we sit just 2 points behind city has more than likely made SAF have to delay his chances when in truth SAF will have meant what he said at the time
Pogba needs to learn from players like Berba and Park. Sometimes you just have to have a little patience, particularly at only 18
I'm pretty sure United have the option to extend his contract for a year, like we did with Berba's, so SAF is still in control of this one and is just testing the attitude of the lad.
If he would rather play for Juve than spending a couple of years learning from the like of Scholes Giggs Rooney and Sir Alex then the guy is a fool
18 years old and chomping at the bit on the very fringe of becoming a United player, being bigged up by the boss, and he isn't happy
I'd be floating on air if I was in his boots. Doesn;t he realise he is living a dream that millions of yougetsers worldwide would do for free?
posted on 8/3/12
Busby, and now you're worried about the business sense of the saga; do me a favour!!!
posted on 8/3/12
UnitedRedMacca
That's part of the problem, you seeing it from a fans point of view. It's not as easy being a professional footballer, at 18, when you have your agent and probably family saying do one thing, people at the club another.
It's easy to say as a Man Utd fan, be loyal to the club, just have some patients, one day you'll make it.
I just don't think SAF should be promising things to the lad in the media if he isn't going to fulfill them. He came on against Stoke and he played very well, was that not the PL?
Again, I don't want him starting PL games, I'm just stating SAF has handled this situation wrongly. In the grand scheme of things, who cares, but I don't see anywhere along the line with Pogba he has handled the situation right in the public eye.
posted on 8/3/12
Lambsy. I'm not worried, I just don't think Sir Alex handled the whole Pogba siutation very well. He might not be as good as everything noce thought, but that isn't the point. Barca tie all their kids down for 4/5 years, we let most of ours get to the 18 month period which allows a player to have some control.
posted on 8/3/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 19 minutes ago
Lambsy & UnitedRedMacca
Doesn't make business sense as much as it doesn't make footballing sense to me.
______
Arghh it makes perfect business sense!! You dont run a bankrupted company do you?
How is it good business sense to give a kid with no experience whatever his agent demands, and more than some of the experienced loyal players ahead of him? How is it good business sense to risk a queue of 20 players outside your door also demanding excessive pay rises or they'll refuse to sign a new contract? Do you seriously think caving in to Pogba, only means you pay Pogba more, and that has no impact on any other player, or his demands, or a new signings salary demands? You think when the likes of Sneijder see United are willing to break their structure to pay a inexperienced kid 45k a week, that they will lower their salary demands to fit the structure of the club? You think no other agent will learn from Raiolo? What about Fryers agent? Shall we give Fryers 45k a week as well because it's hard to say to him, well we think Pogba's better than you even though you've played more, so you only deserve 5k a week.
Do you think it's sensible to have a dangerous salary to ratio income? Why do you think the club has a pay structure and control this ratio?
Please please please stop looking at Pogba in isolation and start broadening your view a little to take account of the impact on the whole club medium term and long term.
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