The Dad: Ronaldo. The Son: Messi

So because he's not the best in the world my point is disproven? For the record, even though this has nothing to do with it, I can see Iniesta playing like he does now in his mid-30's too.

Messi has pace, but he has a different artillery to Ronaldo.

My dear Santi here are my arguments

Messi is a special special player but depends on pace as much as Ronaldo does and would decline greatly,just as Ronaldo would, when he loses that pace.

As a support ifor my argument I called up the wonderful Iniesta who has greater ball skills and gracefullness than Messi yet rated much below Messi because he cannot afford the goals. The goals having been afforded by Messi due to his far superior agility and speed to iniesta's without which Messi would end up another ball handling iniesta who will sooner be forgotten than both Ronaldo and Messi.

Wayne, if Messi - pace = Iniesta, what does Ronaldo - pace = ?

"Messi is a special special player but depends on pace as much as Ronaldo does..."
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Yeah, no he doesn't.

"...and would decline greatly,just as Ronaldo would, when he loses that pace."
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Yeah he would decline. But he'd still be able to do a great job in midfield. Ronaldo couldn't. Surely as a Scholes-watcher you can understand this?

I don't know why you keep bringing up Iniesta.

That equation isn't absolute.

Of all the Great players that we have witnessed in recent years Ronaldo has been People could not really liken to any other. Its difficult for me to answer that question.
Such a player your equqtion demands may not exist though.

Well tbh I was just going with what you said about Messi. He and Iniesta are different players regardless of pace, and Iniesta isn't exactly slow.

In my view Messi is simply a better player then Ronaldo. There are some things Ronaldo can do better, and being 2nd best to perhaps the best player ever (debatable ad infinitum) is nothing to be ashamed of, but Messi's all round game is something else. For example these days I'd much rather have him as my set piece taker over Ronaldo.

Imagine Barcelona without Messi. That's what Messi is without speed to cover ground faster than defenders.

If you watch him you should know this. Ronaldo can stand away from the box and scream it without needing to get to the box that's why he does it regularly( for instance against Ajax midweek).

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All those saying once Ronaldo loses his pace will be marked out of games, did you say the same thing when Zidane lost his pace?

Ronaldo will still be a force even without his pace he will adapt his game for sure. Quality players can adapt well thats what makes them so good

Messi is the best since Maradona (the best of all time - but also a complete ).

Ronaldo is great, currently the 2nd best player in the world - unfortunately he is also a