Mcdermotts embarrassing excuse making..

Er, normally the Sgts and Cpl's, but Squaddies that don't come upto scratch get extra training!..

Another one for you as blaming the Manager seems to be the trend!..

Players losing out on earnings and the zit in the background!..

Is that the Manager or the zits upstairs?..

The Army has bods upstairs running things that don't do the fighting, so to twist things right around, if they don't play by the book, would the Army work the way it should?..

I don't think so, but thinking about it them upstairs don't play football, so it'd work out about the same in both worlds!..

McD isn't the problem, the same as when people wanted rid off Grayson, backing would have helped him, but hey, Macca had the same problems!..

The problem has just moved from one to the other, and by that I mean from Ridsdale to what we now have!..

Ya beating around bush Germany.

If BM isn't the problem, why is he getting 700,000 quid a year to get results, he's obviously getting paid for something else cos he definitely ain't getting the results.

We'll agree to disagree, when ya start beating around the bush I'm out.

Leedsluvr ................ you could well be proven right and i'll certainly concede it as and when that ever comes to light.

BM leaving I've thought about a lot of late. I've said already today, i'd want him gone should the takeover go through. Mainly because I think the club needs to start again, from the bottom with a change of staff - including the manager. Clean sweep and all that. I witness the performances and strange team selections first hand - pretty bizarre some of them lately. Perhaps the pressure has got to him (hardly surprising), perhaps he's just not cut out for it.

No malice detected in your posts, and none intended in mine. Just opinions on a debating forum - good stuff really.

to answer the squaddie question. I echo LUFCG comments. If the squad aren't performing, then they'll get trained (beasted!) until they do. Those that still don't cut it, get removed. I've was lucky I never really came across a group of squaddies working for me that couldn't be trained to perform to the required levels. some were better than others. Any that simply couldn't perform, despite extra training, generally left - sometimes with a nudge ..........

But the Sargent Major gets the stick from the top first, he then passes it on to his sargents etc.

That came out our instructors mouth at the end of training.

I wasn't after what happens after the sargent major and sargents get the stick, i was after they get stick from top, then they retrain.

Point being, BM is manager, irrespective, he's paid to get results and he ain't, and the take over etc is not an excuse, but he uses it and some fans go along with it.

All his excuses have dragged fans in along with him, it's what he does.

For the record AHC, you and some others actually debate, which is the enjoyable part and what the forum is all about.

"He's been the only one updating fans with whats happening - GFH certainly haven't. He's a the football manager - not the fecking club owner. In truth I suspect he's only concentrated 30% on footballing matters in the last few months - the rest has been politics."



For that, alone, we deserve to give him a chance so we can truly see what he can do.

I went through a very bad time in 2012 and 2013 and it was clear to me, and I am sure others, that my work product suffered. The world of football management is well known for being intense with loads of pressure - difficult under any circumstances.

Leeds United will be thebig loser if he is let go.

I have to agree with you LeedsLuvr.As much as we like BMcD,the buck stops with him as far as results go.Some blame can be put on the off field fiasco,but not entirely as B McD tries to make out....If,as been pointed out...When a squaddie cannot make the grade with poor performances,no matter how much extra training you give them,they are shown the door....Why is B McD persisting with players poor performances week after week.He either does not know how to handle them,or he is just not up to the task himself...They say us Leeds fans live on the past glories,but B McD certainly likes to live on the Reading promotion.....I do not think he will repeat that for many years to come,if ever....Once we get new owners,the clearout should begin.A new dawn for everyone at the club.

"If BM isn't the problem, why is he getting 700,000 quid a year to get results, he's obviously getting paid for something else cos he definitely ain't getting the results."

Thats the same zit you've been pumping out for how long?..

"We'll agree to disagree, when ya start beating around the bush I'm out."

That's odd, I didn't think I was beating about the bush, are you?..

Money he earns, goody for him!..

Money on leaving, goody for him!..

Making this team work, er, how?..

He is the bod that did ok when he first came in, but lets not forget about managers and boards saying go out and get who you want and we'll back you!..

Bates did it, these zits did it!..

But while they're all mouthing off and telling the manager to go out and do whatever, the club is in meltdown!..

I don't really give a fook about what you and whoever say, this club is going down the backward path for one reason, and that ain't McD!..

Oh, and by the way, before you start wondering why I took so long on coming back the last few, I've been doing this between a bit of DIY around the flat,(have to keep the wife of the back!)and visitors!..

Kev, go on, name any manager that could move this club forward, and I will argue the fact that McD at this club at the right time would have done as well as any other!..

This club is in zit order and McD is the blame guy!..

"Kev, go on, name any manager that could move this club forward, and I will argue the fact that McD at this club at the right time would have done as well as any other!.."

Impossible to know but I agree.

To name any managers that could move this club forward better than McDermott,is asking to speculate.I go on what I see,and he has not done himself any favours with results...And I could ask you to name me any manager that would have survived at any other football club with these results and football.That's football,if you don't get the results'you get the chop.There are other managers are out there at present without clubs,Take your pick from them,any could have had just as many wins as Mcdermott without even trying.So I have speculated.I cannot justify if they could or not,and nobody else can justify if they couldn't....It's about judging who is in the job at present.And what we see.

I'm asking you who would do better, you saying there's more out there, maybe there is but I doubt any would jump at the chance off taking the tripe they'd be fed from the doom mongers we have incharge!..

He's getting crap results working with players that are not getting what they're contracted to get, a team that have no reasons to give when they're not receiving!..

"I cannot justify if they could or not,and nobody else can justify if they couldn't....It's about judging who is in the job at present.And what we see."

The same as McD getting a job with 100% backing from a board that is 100% comitted!..

So, that being the case, you cant speculate any could do better!..

But you can say McD couldn't do better if things upstairs were better!..

The zit is upstairs and no manager would manage better with these tin pots incharge!..