than under any other manager?
Having let the dust settle after yesterdays game at Wembley I have had the above thought. There is "alleged" discord between certain players and CP, there is "factual" disconnect between CP and some supporters, there is "factual" differences of opinions between supporters who have sat together watching us for years.........
So are we a club slowly ripping down the middle or are these just growing pains of transition from the title winning squad to a younger squad that "may" bear fruit in the long run.
I for one cannot feel any warmth to CP as a person, when I see him being interviewed or on the touchline I get the "shrug my shoulders and sigh" feeling.
BUT I can actually see our squad being frustrating and performing below par at the moment yet I do see a bright future. As many have already (as I did a couple of weeks ago) discussed on here, we have a nucleus being built of quality young talent that if handled correctly could blossom in the next couple of seasons...... mix with that some experience and we should have an ideal combination. The future with Barnes, Ndidi, Maguire, Chilwell, Hamza, Tielmans, Maddison, Pereira et al has great potential.
The question is...."Is CP a long term manager, or is he the sticking plaster over the wound that when its healed somebody else takes us further forward?"
Part of me has to say that I have sympathy with CP, as he was on a lose lose when taking this job. Players who "have the ear of those above them allegedly", title winning players coming to the twilight of their careers and not wanting to be managed out for younger blood to come through, plus we all knew how CP sets his teams up to play so none of this is a surprise.
So here's the £64,000 question.....
Do we see the green shoots of youth and quality and get behind the team irrespective of our opinions of CP or has it gone too far now, and there is no way back for him?
If it's the latter then will the division continue until he is gone?
Discuss.
UTF
Are we more divided now
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
"I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread."
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Excellent self restraint!
Keep it going BS
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That’s definitely progress for me
posted on 11/2/19
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 1 second ago
Sadly BS the quality of your memory is not as good as the quality of some of your postings.
Moron, is not a good turn of phrase to use.Think you are better than that.
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I haven’t used that term on this thread. If you’re making a wider point about emotive comments made on yesterday’s match thread then fair enough - but that’s not relevant to today’s thread.
You want to pop on to foxes talk some time if you think any of what I say is that bad. It’s absolutely nothing - I don’t regret using the term by the way and I stand by it
posted on 11/2/19
I kept well out of the feed yesterday no collateral damage done
posted on 11/2/19
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
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I have to disagree here BS. Yes the fans need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
But the reason the atmosphere is so poor, in my opinion, is because the fans are being given nothing to get behind. It’s a very complex issue and not one that can simply be fixed by someone saying “pull your socks up and sing more yeah”!
The atmosphere at the ground is a result of turgid performances over the last year, a lack of connection between the players and fans, a lack of identity for the club, and a total breakdown in connection between players and fans.
This is the club’s plan, executed under Puel’s guidance. I think Puel has lost the fans and as our leader, he’s lost the atmosphere.
I know you won’t agree with this, but Unfortunately 30,000 people can’t just turn on passion. It has to be created. The manager is responsible for creating that.
Before you say it, I know I’m a moron.
posted on 11/2/19
Do we see the green shoots of youth and quality and get behind the team irrespective of our opinions of CP or has it gone too far now, and there is no way back for him?
If it's the latter then will the division continue until he is gone?
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Armchair waller here-perspective from a rank outsider looking in:
It probably all boils down to this now. One way or t’other. Until yesterday I thought this was likely to be Claude Puel’s last match in charge and he lost again. However, at the same time, he’s gained some credibility-not in sending on Gray as a CF but in the spirited display clearly on show.
It was great to see Barnes, Tielemans and Chilwell advancing with some pace and it looks like City have gained some admirers along the way. Unfortunately, all this grace and flair doesn’t win matches and the club has reached a point where they need to ensure safety for next season. That’s not far off the target but all of a sudden they’re looking over their shoulders.
I’ve altered my stance ever so slightly. Maintain the kind of performance that was on show yesterday for the next 4 or 5 matches, picking up sufficient points along the way to maintain a position of comfort. If that isn’t achieved then off with him at the end of the season.
posted on 11/2/19
Away from the internet and in the real world, I think the biggest issue for a lot of fans has been Puel’s inconsistencies with regard to his formation and tactics rather than the fact we are mid table and not winning games. Whilst our position in the table and run Of results in the New Year isn’t great, I think this is more of a consequence of what was the root of the problem for some fans.
I think the fact that concerns have constantly been raised with regard to lack of coherency in relation to a clear/consistent plan even during better periods of results backs up what is the true nucleus of the problem. In fact as has been stated, there are positives in relation to youth and potential to build on foundations of previous success and some of this is definitely down to Puel.
However, it’s the constant glimmer of light that is then dashed away by another weird tactical decision or formation choice.
I again, see shards of optimism after some recent games but also worry these will again be cast into darkness or at least uncertainty.
Unfortunately, I think this has gone on for so long that it has made some fans so fed that they are becoming much more inflexible with Puel - and to be fair, probably a little blind-sided to some of the potential that is there (although how long we accept it being ‘potential’ is up for debate and more importantly, how long we accept what some feel is detrimental decisions to prevent progress in the short term <there is still long term changes to be made, but there is nothing more infuriating that not even playing the best 11 you have available let along trying to improve it>
I think also unfortunately, the length of time this has been going on has meant that reflection on what a lot of Leicester fans are annoyed at has become diluted and even misrepresented - in the media, from opposition fans and now perhaps amongst our own fan base ( although this is ALOT more fractioned and over the top on here than most footballing conversations in real life.
And even more unfortunate is that we probably are in a position now where opinions are set from some, both in terms of Puel (for good or for bad) and why people may have had enough. It’s all become very black and white (which it isn’t) and actually, in terms of conversations on here almost enforced in relation to what your view must be and what your view is based on. The opposite of a forum and debate really.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 7 hours, 29 minutes ago
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
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I have to disagree here BS. Yes the fans need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
But the reason the atmosphere is so poor, in my opinion, is because the fans are being given nothing to get behind. It’s a very complex issue and not one that can simply be fixed by someone saying “pull your socks up and sing more yeah”!
The atmosphere at the ground is a result of turgid performances over the last year, a lack of connection between the players and fans, a lack of identity for the club, and a total breakdown in connection between players and fans.
This is the club’s plan, executed under Puel’s guidance. I think Puel has lost the fans and as our leader, he’s lost the atmosphere.
I know you won’t agree with this, but Unfortunately 30,000 people can’t just turn on passion. It has to be created. The manager is responsible for creating that.
Before you say it, I know I’m a moron.
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I wouldn’t call you a moron for expressing your opinion. That’s your opinion - I can see some logic in it. I might say someone is a moron if they are unwilling to listen to the other side of the debate and continually stipulate things that factually aren’t true.
Or perhaps someone who is willing to give Puel til the end of the season one week and then declares that he wants him out the next, simply based on his team selection.
posted on 11/2/19
By the way Mersey I just checked and I didn’t call you a moron yesterday That was MILBC. You can’t even get insulted correctly......
posted on 11/2/19
I know you didn’t BS - I was trying to make a joke based on comments made earlier about personal insults.
It seems we’re just on two totally different wavelengths 😂
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 2 minutes ago
I know you didn’t BS - I was trying to make a joke based on comments made earlier about personal insults.
It seems we’re just on two totally different wavelengths 😂
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No we’re not